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Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’

There are 1829 comments on the freerepublic.com story from Mar 16, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’. In it, freerepublic.com reports that:

It would seem the pro-life movement has acquired an unlikely supporter. On Wednesday, Richard Dawkins, a vocal proponent of atheism and the author of The God Delusion, posted a provocative tweet about abortion: With respect to those meanings of "human" that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig.

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Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1016 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Nobody gives a rat's ass what you do, unless it impacts another human being.
Tell me. Should any man be forced to pay child support after leaving his pregnant wife?
It was her choice, not his, to "remain pregers".
AH! Now the real concern surfaces! I knew it knew it knew it!!!

Now your definition of "human being" pertains to a man and his WALLET!!!!! LOL

Once again the poor threatened man thinks the woman/girl does NOTHING while HE must sacrifice his most valued possession MONEY!! Again the poor threatened man refuses to recognize that the woman/girl carries the medical risks devotes 18 years and more of her life and time along with the financial burden, while he is required to chip in a few bucks and this is DEVASTATING for HIM!

Obviously you do NOT consider women "human beings" as your statement reflects. EVERYTHING a woman/girl does impacts a pregnancy and everything about a pregnancy impacts the woman/girl. I am speaking from first hand experience, what are you speaking from?

This post will continue to bite you on your MISOGYNIST RATS ASS going forward!

Let the back peddling begin!

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1017 May 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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certainly Male dominated.
Not so with the Church of England?
Women are making just advances in all fields including religion, more restricted seemingly in the Roman Catholic faith.
Alas there is a new Pope.
Why should women just now be making "just advances"? What caused their lack of advancement in the first place?

Another pope....another man elected by men. Not seeing the advancement there.
Lincoln

United States

#1018 May 17, 2013
Will Gosnell Change the Abortion Debate?
Both anti-abortion and abortion rights activists say the trial supports their view on the topic

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The trial of Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell captured national attention for the especially grisly nature of his crimes, and it ended Wednesday when he was sentenced to life in prison without parole. The doctor was convicted of murdering a baby born alive in an abortion gone wrong, as well as a charge of involuntary manslaughter for the death of a woman after a procedure in his clinic. He was also charged with two counts of conspiring to kill two babies.

Anti-abortion activists hoped the high-profile case would change the national conversation on abortion and demonstrate the dangers the procedure poses. They praised the guilty verdict in Gosnell's case, saying he was a perfect example of why abortion shouldn't be legal. National Right to Life President Carol Tobias said any abortion performed ought to be condemned, not just those carried out in such a dangerous environment:

Kermit Gosnell was convicted of murder for severing the necks of just-born babies, but those babies would have died just as painfully if he had killed them inside the womb, as most late-term abortionists do. The result is the same for the baby whether it meets its end in a shabby clinic like Gosnell's or a brand new Planned Parenthood facility – a painful death.

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#1019 May 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Will Gosnell Change the Abortion Debate?
Both anti-abortion and abortion rights activists say the trial supports their view on the topic
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The trial of Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell captured national attention for the especially grisly nature of his crimes, and it ended Wednesday when he was sentenced to life in prison without parole. The doctor was convicted of murdering a baby born alive in an abortion gone wrong, as well as a charge of involuntary manslaughter for the death of a woman after a procedure in his clinic. He was also charged with two counts of conspiring to kill two babies.
Anti-abortion activists hoped the high-profile case would change the national conversation on abortion and demonstrate the dangers the procedure poses. They praised the guilty verdict in Gosnell's case, saying he was a perfect example of why abortion shouldn't be legal. National Right to Life President Carol Tobias said any abortion performed ought to be condemned, not just those carried out in such a dangerous environment:
Kermit Gosnell was convicted of murder for severing the necks of just-born babies, but those babies would have died just as painfully if he had killed them inside the womb, as most late-term abortionists do. The result is the same for the baby whether it meets its end in a shabby clinic like Gosnell's or a brand new Planned Parenthood facility – a painful death.
Why do you come in here and lie about god?

Since: Jun 07

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#1020 May 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
For those unfamiliar with the term "lurking" as it pertains to the internet, the formal definition is, according to Wikipedia,“a member of an online community who observes, but does not actively participate.”
If you have ever lurked Reddit, the web’s largest aggregated post-and-comment board, you may notice atheism is a very popular subject. Its category or "subreddit" is one of the most subscribed, and most post-rich on Reddit. The great irony of this highly trafficked area of thought is birthed by its internal contradiction, how it stretches the gap between the championing of rational thought, and the rants,“gotcha!” style rage comics, Facebook captions, and other anecdotal jabs. For a group so active on the internet, this seemingly enthused crowd is more likely to "lurk" in real life than confront, no matter how much they disagree by the faith-based existence around them.
Are we to make cowards out of Reddit’s atheists for the discrepancy between the prevalence of real life and internet proclamations of godlessness? Maybe, as the world’s loudest atheist, Richard Dawkins, first bemoaned in his TED talk,“Atheists do not want to be impolite … Can we stop being so damned polite?” Or, as R/atheist stalwart with the username “blackstar9000” explained in a very thoughtful post on the state of the atheist subreddit,“Many of the users are just recently converted, who fear being ostracized by people the religious people who make up their support system.” Perhaps Dawkins was being a bit unsympathetic in his own right. Religion, as a point of conversation, is about as volatile as it gets.
Unfortunately, the cognitive dissonance between redditor and reality will persist, as long as the faith based argumentation of the religious, and the sometimes irate complaining of Atheists mix like so much water and oil. Until then, the atheists of the internet are participating in a discourse that is suited better for their entertainment than a polemic attempt at confronting the religious.
Moreover, the atheism is not the opposite of religion, and therefore they will not clash as if they were the forces of light and dark, or what have you. The two co-exist and, arguably, mesh in certain places of worship where the parishioners are there for tradition or family, rather than creed. Better yet, there have been instances of Christians bravely appearing on the Atheist subreddit, to diplomatically qualify their understanding of religion. Perhaps atheists rarely respond out of their comfort zone in this manner, such proselytising is too dogmatic.
Creationists just don't know when to shut the f*ck up...

Since: Jun 07

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#1021 May 17, 2013
When I want the opinion of an idiot who believes water can turn into wine I will ask a theist.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1022 May 17, 2013
Ya bud, especially when they demonstrate they don't even understand the words they are using.
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Creationists just don't know when to shut the f*ck up...
Lincoln

United States

#1023 May 17, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Creationists just don't know when to shut the f*ck up...
In Tourette syndrome, compulsive swearing can be uncontrollable and undesired by the person uttering the phrases.

"shut the f*ck up"

The phrases uttered by a person with coprolalia do not necessarily reflect the thoughts or opinions of the person.
Thinking

Antrim, UK

#1024 May 17, 2013
This story barely got a mention over here.

Does anyone know why people were seeking late term abortions instead of legal ones?
Lincoln wrote:
Will Gosnell Change the Abortion Debate?
Both anti-abortion and abortion rights activists say the trial supports their view on the topic
By Teresa Welsh
May 16, 2013 RSS Feed Print
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The trial of Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell captured national attention for the especially grisly nature of his crimes, and it ended Wednesday when he was sentenced to life in prison without parole. The doctor was convicted of murdering a baby born alive in an abortion gone wrong, as well as a charge of involuntary manslaughter for the death of a woman after a procedure in his clinic. He was also charged with two counts of conspiring to kill two babies.
Anti-abortion activists hoped the high-profile case would change the national conversation on abortion and demonstrate the dangers the procedure poses. They praised the guilty verdict in Gosnell's case, saying he was a perfect example of why abortion shouldn't be legal. National Right to Life President Carol Tobias said any abortion performed ought to be condemned, not just those carried out in such a dangerous environment:
Kermit Gosnell was convicted of murder for severing the necks of just-born babies, but those babies would have died just as painfully if he had killed them inside the womb, as most late-term abortionists do. The result is the same for the baby whether it meets its end in a shabby clinic like Gosnell's or a brand new Planned Parenthood facility – a painful death.

Since: May 10

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#1025 May 17, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Sorry, but no. The closing of the Foramen Ovale is an anatomical change.
You could have made that error initially from ignorance.

Now you know better.

You are a liar.

The Fetal Circulation
Peter John Murphy, MB ChB DA FRCA, Consultant in Paediatric Anaesthesia and Intensive Care

"The increase in pulmonary blood flow leads to a massive rise in pulmonary venous return to the LA. The decrease in IVC flow, described above, results in a fall in venous return to the RA. These two factors allow the pressures in the LA and RA to equalize. At this point the flap of the foramen ovale is pushed against the atrial septum and the atrial shunt is effectively closed. This initial closure of the foramen ovale occurs within minutes to hours of birth. ANATOMICAL CLOSURE OCCURS LATER via tissue proliferation."

Notice: "ANATOMICAL CLOSURE OCCURS LATER"

mcb.berkeley.edu/courses/mcb135e/fetal.html&a... ;

"Before birth the foramen ovale allows most of the oxygenated blood entering the ... and the foramen ovale is initially a functional change; later anatomic closure ..."

Notice "functional change". A functional change is a physiological change, not an anatomical change.

"Functional closure can be reversed during the immediate neonatal period; ...Anatomical fusion of the septum primum and secundum occurs by one year of age in 80% of the population."

You should have lost with dignity.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1026 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You could have made that error initially from ignorance.
Now you know better.
You are a liar.
The Fetal Circulation
Peter John Murphy, MB ChB DA FRCA, Consultant in Paediatric Anaesthesia and Intensive Care
"The increase in pulmonary blood flow leads to a massive rise in pulmonary venous return to the LA. The decrease in IVC flow, described above, results in a fall in venous return to the RA. These two factors allow the pressures in the LA and RA to equalize. At this point the flap of the foramen ovale is pushed against the atrial septum and the atrial shunt is effectively closed. This initial closure of the foramen ovale occurs within minutes to hours of birth. ANATOMICAL CLOSURE OCCURS LATER via tissue proliferation."
Notice: "ANATOMICAL CLOSURE OCCURS LATER"
mcb.berkeley.edu/courses/mcb135e/fetal.html&a... ;
"Before birth the foramen ovale allows most of the oxygenated blood entering the ... and the foramen ovale is initially a functional change; later anatomic closure ..."
Notice "functional change". A functional change is a physiological change, not an anatomical change.
"Functional closure can be reversed during the immediate neonatal period; ...Anatomical fusion of the septum primum and secundum occurs by one year of age in 80% of the population."
You should have lost with dignity.
Ooh, someone can google. Again, good for you. Now, if you could just learn how to post a link, I might be able to read it.

Still, as my original point was that there are many physical changes, I've lost nothing. I proved my point. Your attempt to change what I said, because you couldn't refute it, is what failed.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1027 May 17, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Ooh, someone can google. Again, good for you. Now, if you could just learn how to post a link, I might be able to read it.
Still, as my original point was that there are many physical changes, I've lost nothing. I proved my point. Your attempt to change what I said, because you couldn't refute it, is what failed.
You just read it.

You proved one point - lying is acceptable to you to keep from being shown to be wrong.

Relax. I find this is a common trait among pro-aborters.

Your whole ideology is a lie, and based on a lie.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1028 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You just read it.
You proved one point - lying is acceptable to you to keep from being shown to be wrong.
Relax. I find this is a common trait among pro-aborters.
Your whole ideology is a lie, and based on a lie.
No, I read what you SAY it says. The link would not open.

I don't lie.

I am also not a "pro-aborter". I am pro-choice.

Since: May 10

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#1029 May 17, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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AH! Now the real concern surfaces! I knew it knew it knew it!!!
Now your definition of "human being" pertains to a man and his WALLET!!!!! LOL
Once again the poor threatened man thinks the woman/girl does NOTHING while HE must sacrifice his most valued possession MONEY!! Again the poor threatened man refuses to recognize that the woman/girl carries the medical risks devotes 18 years and more of her life and time along with the financial burden, while he is required to chip in a few bucks and this is DEVASTATING for HIM!
Obviously you do NOT consider women "human beings" as your statement reflects. EVERYTHING a woman/girl does impacts a pregnancy and everything about a pregnancy impacts the woman/girl. I am speaking from first hand experience, what are you speaking from?
This post will continue to bite you on your MISOGYNIST RATS ASS going forward!
Let the back peddling begin!
You did everything but answer the question. Congratulations.

Those "burdens" you speak of, by your principle, are a "choice".

Why should some other person be obligated financially for your personal "choice"?

Since: May 10

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#1030 May 17, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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No, I read what you SAY it says. The link would not open.
I don't lie.
I am also not a "pro-aborter". I am pro-choice.
You can find similar proof yourself. But you are not interested in proof, as you are only pretending it is an unanswered point because you got it wrong.

You are a pro-aborter. You esteem the option to be a principle that outweighs any principle of the rights of the entity being killed by your option.

Thus, you are accurately characterized as "pro" that option.

You are pro-abortion.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1031 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You can find similar proof yourself. But you are not interested in proof, as you are only pretending it is an unanswered point because you got it wrong.
You are a pro-aborter. You esteem the option to be a principle that outweighs any principle of the rights of the entity being killed by your option.
Thus, you are accurately characterized as "pro" that option.
You are pro-abortion.
Your link is malformed. You should check that before you make a total fool of yourself like you just did.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1032 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You can find similar proof yourself. But you are not interested in proof, as you are only pretending it is an unanswered point because you got it wrong.
You are a pro-aborter. You esteem the option to be a principle that outweighs any principle of the rights of the entity being killed by your option.
Thus, you are accurately characterized as "pro" that option.
You are pro-abortion.
Sorry, but no. I am not a "pro-aborter". I am pro-choice. That means I support a woman's right to make her OWN choice regarding her uterus and pregnancy, based upon her own circumstances and moral code, regardless of the beliefs of others. They keyword there being CHOICE.

"MY OPTION"? Ridiculous. There are TWO options, and they are mine. They belong to the woman who is pregnant. It is her decision whether or not to remain pregnant, and it's not my business no matter what she decides.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1033 May 17, 2013
Sorry, editing error. She read "There are TWO options, and they are not mine."

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1034 May 17, 2013
LOL, should.

Since: May 10

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#1035 May 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Your link is malformed. You should check that before you make a total fool of yourself like you just did.
Oh.

So the problem here is that you and Bitchner really, really, want to know whether the foramen ovale closing is an anatomical change.

But dang it! You just can't open the link!

Why are you pro-aborters such liars?

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