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Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’

There are 1829 comments on the freerepublic.com story from Mar 16, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’. In it, freerepublic.com reports that:

It would seem the pro-life movement has acquired an unlikely supporter. On Wednesday, Richard Dawkins, a vocal proponent of atheism and the author of The God Delusion, posted a provocative tweet about abortion: With respect to those meanings of "human" that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig.

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“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#915 May 15, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You're using weasel words.
The tactic doesn't work with me. It might soothe your conscience, but it fails as an argument.
You are utilizing "pregnancy" as a restrictive concept, and doing so in bad faith.
"Pregnancy" involves a human life.
The Bible, including citations I provided, prohibits destruction of innocent human life, over and over.
So if it can be shown, as it has been, that the Bible proscribes such destructinon of life, particularly when self-serving, then it proscribes such a "choice".
Even as dumb as you are, you can follow that.
Now retract your assertion, and lose with some dignity this time.
And you never did bother to lie your way out of the "shedding of innocent blood" passage.
I'm sure you can. I have high regard for your ability to lie.
You are an abortion zealot and a liberal.
No, I'm using facts. Anyone can put any spin on the bible. And yet, it says NOTHING about a woman choosing to end her own pregnancy.

It ALSO has instances of the very same Deity ORDERING the destruction of whole towns, which INCLUDED "innocent" children and pregnant women.

I have no need to soothe my conscience. I've done nothing to ruffle it.

I am not a liberal, and I don't lie.

Your desperation is showing.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#916 May 15, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
None of those are anatomical changes.
The foramen ovale DOES NOT close at birth.
3 more events outside the womb are required.
It closes when the umbilical cord is cut, and the child takes its first breaths, and the pressure gradient changes in the lungs. In around 20% of neonates, it doesn't even close then.
If you recall, my question to you was to explain the anatomical changes occurring when the baby exits the birth canal.
Further, it's closing is NOT AN ANATOMICAL CHANGE. IT IS A PHYSIOLOGICAL CHANGE initially. An anatomical trap door that was already there simply swings shut due to pressure.
You didn't cite one anatomical change.
Now you are O for 3.
How long do you want me to keep kicking your liberal ass?
I would not proceed with anatomy and physiology arguments if I were you.
I taught it at the university level.
But if you insist, Bitchner, plow ahead.
All of them are anatomical changes. The umbilical cord is cut at birth.

Do you even KNOW what myelination is?

You asked, I answered. Your denials mean nothing. You're wrong.

You did what? LOL, right. Now you're lying. You haven't taught anything at a university level.

You're a desperate liar.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#917 May 15, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Most abortions occur from "forcing a miscarriage".
Somebody has to commit the act.
This scripture condemns it.
Someone who is willing to lie as you do will never admit being wrong.
Wow, you are in complete denial of reality.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#918 May 15, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
All of them are anatomical changes. The umbilical cord is cut at birth.
Do you even KNOW what myelination is?
You asked, I answered. Your denials mean nothing. You're wrong.
You did what? LOL, right. Now you're lying. You haven't taught anything at a university level.
You're a desperate liar.
The baby exits the birth canal before the umbilical is cut.

The umbilical is cut after birth.

Your question was what anatomical changes occur with exit from the birth canal.

You have provided not one.

No myelination occurs with exiting the birth canal.

It occurs over years. Do you think a 2 year old has no rights either?

You would feel better if you just admitted you are wrong.

(I'm taking about this argument, not the previous 2 you lost)

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#919 May 15, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The baby exits the birth canal before the umbilical is cut.
The umbilical is cut after birth.
Your question was what anatomical changes occur with exit from the birth canal.
You have provided not one.
No myelination occurs with exiting the birth canal.
It occurs over years. Do you think a 2 year old has no rights either?
You would feel better if you just admitted you are wrong.
(I'm taking about this argument, not the previous 2 you lost)
Birth has only occurred when it's out of the birth canal. And I proved that there are many changes at birth, which was my claim. Physical, mental, legal and spiritual. I never said it happens inside.

All I said was that myelination doesn't begin until birth. I never said it happened immediately.

I'm not wrong, nor have I been previously.

You're desperation is pitiful.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#920 May 15, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said it would be my choice.
I was asked what I would want. I answered.
I accept that you pro-aborters do not understand a straight answer.
"It would have been so easy for him to word his response to reflect that he would stand by her on such a choice, but, no. Not him, it would be his choice.".

BTW: I am not pro-abortion. I am pro-life, and I am pro-choice.
What I would want, what you would want is not a factor.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#921 May 15, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
No, sorry, the protect the woman's right to continue a wanted pregnancy, and provide justice for her if that right is taken from her.
No, only persons "born or naturalized" in our country, foreign nationals, corporation and some associations have civil rights. All born, or full of, born persons.
Some laws say human being, some do not. Proving my original point that whether or not a fetus is a human being, is a matter of opinion.
I have lost nothing.
Your desperation is pathetic.
Wrong, only persons "born or naturalized" in our country, foreign nationals, corporation and some associations have citizenship.
Citizenship is not a right, nor does citizenship have anything to do with who does or does not have rights.
Fetus is a level of maturity of an organism. Fetus refers to how mature a human being is.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...
None of the people killed with abortion ever gave their consent to be killed.
Abortion is a blatant violation of human rights.
Lincoln

United States

#922 May 15, 2013
Jurors who found Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell guilty of first-degree murder for killing three new born infants said today that his "greed" was a major element in their verdict.

The jurors spoke after Gosnell, 72, was sentenced to a third life sentence. They are to be served consecutively, ensuring that he will spend the rest of his life in prison.

The doctor was accused of routinely carrying out late term abortions, but was convicted of "snipping" the spinal cords of three babies who were born alive.

Jury foreman David Misko explained today outside the courthouse what made the jury decide on first degree murder.

"The premeditation of it," he said. "It was just business as usual with him, he snipped the necks no matter what happened, so it seems that was what it was the premeditation of the babies."

Juror Joseph Carroll emerged from the courthouse to explain the jury's deliberations.

"Most of us felt it came down to a greed factor. The services … it was like a machine. They came in, he gave them a service, and bam, the women were gone," Carroll said.

Juror Sarah Glinski said today that the hardest part of the trial was viewing the images of the lifeless new borns.

"Seeing those photos and just having to say to myself,'This did happen to those kids. There were children that died at the hands of this man.' That was what was hard for me. To admit that that kind of evil exists in this world," she said.

Gosnell was handed two life sentences Tuesday after a deal was struck with prosecutors which spared him a potential death sentence. The third sentence was handed down today. Gosnell was also sentenced to 2.5 to 5 years in prison for the 2009 overdose death of a female patient.

He was cleared of the "snipping" death of a fourth infant.

The guilty verdicts against Gosnell came on Monday, the jury's 10th day of deliberations.

The Philadelphia clinic run by Gosnell has been described as a "pill mill" for drug addicts by day, and an "abortion mill" by night. When Gosnell aborted the fetus of a teen who was nearly 30 weeks pregnant, he allegedly joked the baby was so big it could "walk to the bus."

For two months, the jury heard often grisly testimony, including from members of Gosnell's staff. Eight staffers have pleaded guilty to several crimes. Prosecutors said none of the staff were licensed nurses or doctors.

Gosnell ran the Women's Medical Society in West Philadelphia for decades until February 2010, when FBI agents raided his clinic looking for evidence of prescription drug dealing.

Instead they found, as reported in a nearly 300 page grand jury report released in 2011, a filthy, decrepit "house of horrors."

Blood was on the floor, the clinic reeked of urine and bags of fetal remains were stacked in freezers. The clinic was shut down and Gosnell's medical license was suspended after the raid.

Despite repeated complaints to state officials over the years -- as well as 46 lawsuits filed against Gosnell -- investigators said in the report that state regulators had conducted five inspections since the clinic had opened in 1979.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#923 May 15, 2013
What scripture condemns it?
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Most abortions occur from "forcing a miscarriage".

Somebody has to commit the act.

This scripture condemns it.

Someone who is willing to lie as you do will never admit being wrong.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#924 May 15, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Jurors who found Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell guilty of first-degree murder for killing three new born infants said today that his "greed" was a major element in their verdict.
The jurors spoke after Gosnell, 72, was sentenced to a third life sentence. They are to be served consecutively, ensuring that he will spend the rest of his life in prison.
The doctor was accused of routinely carrying out late term abortions, but was convicted of "snipping" the spinal cords of three babies who were born alive.
Jury foreman David Misko explained today outside the courthouse what made the jury decide on first degree murder.
"The premeditation of it," he said. "It was just business as usual with him, he snipped the necks no matter what happened, so it seems that was what it was the premeditation of the babies."
Juror Joseph Carroll emerged from the courthouse to explain the jury's deliberations.
"Most of us felt it came down to a greed factor. The services … it was like a machine. They came in, he gave them a service, and bam, the women were gone," Carroll said.
Juror Sarah Glinski said today that the hardest part of the trial was viewing the images of the lifeless new borns.
"Seeing those photos and just having to say to myself,'This did happen to those kids. There were children that died at the hands of this man.' That was what was hard for me. To admit that that kind of evil exists in this world," she said.
Gosnell was handed two life sentences Tuesday after a deal was struck with prosecutors which spared him a potential death sentence. The third sentence was handed down today. Gosnell was also sentenced to 2.5 to 5 years in prison for the 2009 overdose death of a female patient.
He was cleared of the "snipping" death of a fourth infant.
The guilty verdicts against Gosnell came on Monday, the jury's 10th day of deliberations.
The Philadelphia clinic run by Gosnell has been described as a "pill mill" for drug addicts by day, and an "abortion mill" by night. When Gosnell aborted the fetus of a teen who was nearly 30 weeks pregnant, he allegedly joked the baby was so big it could "walk to the bus."
For two months, the jury heard often grisly testimony, including from members of Gosnell's staff. Eight staffers have pleaded guilty to several crimes. Prosecutors said none of the staff were licensed nurses or doctors.
Gosnell ran the Women's Medical Society in West Philadelphia for decades until February 2010, when FBI agents raided his clinic looking for evidence of prescription drug dealing.
Instead they found, as reported in a nearly 300 page grand jury report released in 2011, a filthy, decrepit "house of horrors."
Blood was on the floor, the clinic reeked of urine and bags of fetal remains were stacked in freezers. The clinic was shut down and Gosnell's medical license was suspended after the raid.
Despite repeated complaints to state officials over the years -- as well as 46 lawsuits filed against Gosnell -- investigators said in the report that state regulators had conducted five inspections since the clinic had opened in 1979.
And yet the sick demented proaborts here will defend this...they are truly ill. Thank you for sharing this, it is truth.
liberals lie

Clearwater, FL

#925 May 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
What scripture condemns it?
<quoted text>
"Thou shalt not kill"

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#926 May 15, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
A disease is an abnormal condition that affects the body of an organism. Mental illness is a broad, generic label for a category of illnesses that may include affective or emotional instability, behavioral dysregulation, and/or cognitive dysfunction or impairment. Specific illnesses known as mental illnesses include major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, schizophrenia, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, to name a few. Mental illness can be of biological (e.g., anatomical, chemical, or genetic) or psychological (e.g., trauma or conflict) origin. It can impair the affected person's ability to work or school and harm interpersonal relationships. A medical condition is a broad term that includes all diseases and disorders. While the term medical condition generally includes mental illnesses, in some contexts the term is used specifically to denote any illness, injury, or disease except for mental illnesses. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the widely used psychiatric manual that defines all mental disorders, uses the term general medical condition to refer to all diseases, illnesses, and injuries except for mental disorders.
Schizophrenia is a disease that involves changes in brain structure and brain chemicals. And while we can see many of the differences between a schizophrenic brain and a non-schizophrenic brain, we are a long way from fully understanding the complexities of this illness to the point where schizophrenia can be cured. At this time, the best doctors can do is treat the symptoms of schizophrenia.
Pathological liar refers to a liar that is compulsive or impulsive, lies on a regular basis and is unable to control their lying despite of foreseeing inevitable negative consequences or ultimate disclosure of the lie. Generally lies told by a pathological liar have self-defeating quality to them and don’t serve the long term material needs of the person. Therefore pathological lying is lying that is caused by a pathology, occurs on a regular basis, is compulsive or impulsive & uncontrolled, and has self-defeating, self-trapping quality to it.

Pathological lying covers a wide range of lying behavior, from pseudologia fantastica to habitual lying. Lying is a commonly found clinical component with people who suffer from impulse control disorders such as gambling, compulsive shopping, substance abuse, kleptomania etc. Pathological lying is generally caused by a combination of factors, which may include genetic components, dysfunctional or insecure childhood, dyslexia or other type of cerebral dysfunction. Such conditions may host environment that is likely to emerge chronic or pathological lying as an adaptive defense mechanism. Dysfunctional family, parental overprotection, sibling rivalry, mental retardation are among many causes of pathological lying.

Low self-esteem is a commonly found feature in pathological liars. The lie maybe an attempt to feel good about themselves, generally for a short period of time, similar to the effect of drugs & alcohol. The same lie or deceit repeated over and over may create a myth of personal well-being or success or displacement of faults of own failures on others, thus creating an imaginary fantasy protection bubble, which may reinforce self-esteem. Pathological liars repeatedly use deceit as an ego defense mechanism, which is primarily caused by the lack of ability to cope with everyday problems in more mature ways

Habitual liars gives very few if any psychical or vocal signs of lying, due to the effortless nature of lying. That said, since he/she gives a very little thought to his/her lies, they are usually inconsistent & obvious.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#927 May 15, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet the sick demented proaborts here will defend this...they are truly ill. Thank you for sharing this, it is truth.
AND here she is KayLayLousy the forum Drama Queen spouting her usual lies and nonsense!!!

Where ya been KayKay? What brings you here? Batteries run out on your vibrator and you are taking a break?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#928 May 15, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Birth has only occurred when it's out of the birth canal. And I proved that there are many changes at birth, which was my claim. Physical, mental, legal and spiritual. I never said it happens inside.
All I said was that myelination doesn't begin until birth. I never said it happened immediately.
I'm not wrong, nor have I been previously.
You're desperation is pitiful.
WRONG.

Myelination begins in the embryo stage. You are off by several months.

You say you were not wrong?

I asked you to explain ANATOMICAL changes that occur with exiting the birth canal.

You gave a whole laundry list.

They were all WRONG.

You FAILED to name one anatomical change, now you see that you can't, so you DEFLECT to generalities, and even got a major one of those WRONG.

You might think before you talk down your nose to me next time, liberal lady.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#929 May 15, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>"It would have been so easy for him to word his response to reflect that he would stand by her on such a choice, but, no. Not him, it would be his choice.".
BTW: I am not pro-abortion. I am pro-life, and I am pro-choice.
What I would want, what you would want is not a factor.
If I am asked what I want, what I want is a factor.
bohart

Newport, TN

#930 May 15, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Jurors who found Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell guilty of first-degree murder for killing three new born infants said today that his "greed" was a major element in their verdict.
The jurors spoke after Gosnell, 72, was sentenced to a third life sentence. They are to be served consecutively, ensuring that he will spend the rest of his life in prison.
The doctor was accused of routinely carrying out late term abortions, but was convicted of "snipping" the spinal cords of three babies who were born alive.
Jury foreman David Misko explained today outside the courthouse what made the jury decide on first degree murder.
"The premeditation of it," he said. "It was just business as usual with him, he snipped the necks no matter what happened, so it seems that was what it was the premeditation of the babies."
Juror Joseph Carroll emerged from the courthouse to explain the jury's deliberations.
"Most of us felt it came down to a greed factor. The services … it was like a machine. They came in, he gave them a service, and bam, the women were gone," Carroll said.
Juror Sarah Glinski said today that the hardest part of the trial was viewing the images of the lifeless new borns.
"Seeing those photos and just having to say to myself,'This did happen to those kids. There were children that died at the hands of this man.' That was what was hard for me. To admit that that kind of evil exists in this world," she said.
Gosnell was handed two life sentences Tuesday after a deal was struck with prosecutors which spared him a potential death sentence. The third sentence was handed down today. Gosnell was also sentenced to 2.5 to 5 years in prison for the 2009 overdose death of a female patient.
He was cleared of the "snipping" death of a fourth infant.
The guilty verdicts against Gosnell came on Monday, the jury's 10th day of deliberations.
The Philadelphia clinic run by Gosnell has been described as a "pill mill" for drug addicts by day, and an "abortion mill" by night. When Gosnell aborted the fetus of a teen who was nearly 30 weeks pregnant, he allegedly joked the baby was so big it could "walk to the bus."
For two months, the jury heard often grisly testimony, including from members of Gosnell's staff. Eight staffers have pleaded guilty to several crimes. Prosecutors said none of the staff were licensed nurses or doctors.
Gosnell ran the Women's Medical Society in West Philadelphia for decades until February 2010, when FBI agents raided his clinic looking for evidence of prescription drug dealing.
Instead they found, as reported in a nearly 300 page grand jury report released in 2011, a filthy, decrepit "house of horrors."
Blood was on the floor, the clinic reeked of urine and bags of fetal remains were stacked in freezers. The clinic was shut down and Gosnell's medical license was suspended after the raid.
Despite repeated complaints to state officials over the years -- as well as 46 lawsuits filed against Gosnell -- investigators said in the report that state regulators had conducted five inspections since the clinic had opened in 1979.
A modern day Joesph Mengele, yet the only difference between his illegal acts and a legal one was the distance the baby traveled down the birth canal. A distinction only a lawyer would understand or defend
Lincoln

United States

#931 May 15, 2013
Dawkins seems brilliant but sort of yesterdays news.
Has nothing more to say except to sell books a la Bill O'Reilly

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#932 May 15, 2013
That makes no sense in English you know?

Try reading your posts out loud before posting, you'll make less of a jackass out of yourself.
Lincoln wrote:
Dawkins seems brilliant but sort of yesterdays news.
Has nothing more to say except to sell books a la Bill O'Reilly

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#933 May 15, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Homicide, n.-the killing of one human being by another human being.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
"Homicide is the killing of a human being due to the act or failure to act of another."
http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/homicide/
USC § 8 -“Person”,“human being”,“child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”,“human being”,“child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8
bohart

Newport, TN

#934 May 15, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
USC § 8 -“Person”,“human being”,“child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant
(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”,“human being”,“child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8
Ha,Ha,Ha,....lawyers.

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