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Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’

There are 1829 comments on the freerepublic.com story from Mar 16, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’. In it, freerepublic.com reports that:

It would seem the pro-life movement has acquired an unlikely supporter. On Wednesday, Richard Dawkins, a vocal proponent of atheism and the author of The God Delusion, posted a provocative tweet about abortion: With respect to those meanings of "human" that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#510 May 2, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Alas Pope Francis makes more money than Dr. Dawkins but the RC church as been in business for a while longer.
Atheists Do Exist -
....for the most part of threads
LOL
President Obama is raising his daughters Christian.
Christianity seems also to exist
LOL
Yet who contributes more, or at least does the least damage? Let's compare:

Dawkins:
1. Helps encourage people to learn, grow, and study pretty much everything.
2. Give uplifting speeches at gatherings.
3. Enjoys life without ever harming another living thing save for need.
4. Earns money by writing books people want to read just because.

Pope:
1. Hasn't worked a day in his life, all his "earnings" are from hand outs.
2. Supports the denial of care to people in need, especially in AIDS ridden Africa.
3. Condemns people for being who they are when they are not harming people but encourages people to "witch hunt."
4. Offers "get out of jail free" cards for believers(payers) yet says everyone else is doomed ... and is actually happy about that.
5. Heads an organization that has molested children and hidden it, and supports defending the molesters.
....

I know that list is massive but I'm too lazy to type the rest out.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#511 May 2, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
A species and any member of that species either is a parasite or isn't a parasite for their entire lifespan. A parasite is a species, not an age of a species.
Wrong! A parasite is neither an age nor a species. I am referring to a stage of development, in which the human foetus, is a parasite, when it draws it's sustenance from a not always willing host.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#512 May 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
I never called a baby a parasite. A parasite is a species, not an age group of a species. A baby is not a species. And a baby is never parasitic.
A foetus is though, totally parasitic

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#514 May 3, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong! A parasite is neither an age nor a species. I am referring to a stage of development, in which the human foetus, is a parasite, when it draws it's sustenance from a not always willing host.
You mean like illegal aliens?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#515 May 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
I never called a baby a parasite. A parasite is a species, not an age group of a species. A baby is not a species. And a baby is never parasitic.
No, a parasite is a type of life form, not "a species." Sheesh, learn biology before making total fools of yourselves.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#516 May 3, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>A foetus is though, totally parasitic
No, parasites do not benefit the host. The baby causes the mother's physiology to change in many ways that benefit the mother. The baby is not totally parasitic. The baby is not parasitic at all. The baby does not take from the mother. The mother provides for baby.
During pregnancy, the woman undergoes many physiological changes, which are entirely normal, including cardiovascular, hematologic, metabolic, renal and respiratory changes that become very important in the event of complications. The body must change its physiological and homeostatic mechanisms in pregnancy to ensure the fetus is provided for. Increases in blood sugar, breathing and cardiac output are all required. Levels of progesterone and estrogens rise continually throughout pregnancy, suppressing the hypothalamic axis and subsequently the menstrual cycle.Levels of progesterone and estrogens rise continually throughout pregnancy, suppressing the hypothalamic axis and subsequently the menstrual cycle. Estrogen is mainly produced by the placenta and is associated with fetal well–being. Women also experience increased human chorionic gonadotropin (&#946;-hCG); which is produced by the placenta. This maintains progesterone production by the corpus luteum. The increased progesterone production, first by corpus luteum and later by the placenta, mainly functions to relax smooth muscle.
Prolactin levels increase due to maternal pituitary gland enlargement by 50%. This mediates a change in the structure of the mammary gland from ductal to lobular-alveolar. Parathyroid hormone is increased which leads to increases of calcium uptake in the gut and reabsorption by the kidney. Adrenal hormones such as cortisol and aldosterone also increase.
Human placental lactogen (hPL) is produced by the placenta and stimulates lipolysis and fatty acid metabolism by the woman, conserving blood glucose for use by the fetus.
The body's posture changes as the pregnancy progresses. The pelvis tilts and the back arches to help keep balance. Poor posture occurs naturally from the stretching of the woman's abdominal muscles as the fetus grows. These muscles are less able to contract and keep the lower back in proper alignment. The pregnant woman has a different pattern of gait. The step lengthens as the pregnancy progresses, due to weight gain and changes in posture. On average, a woman's foot can grow by a half size or more during pregnancy. In addition, the increased body weight of pregnancy, fluid retention, and weight gain lowers the arches of the foot, further adding to the foot's length and width. The influences of increased hormones such as estrogen and relaxin initiate the remodeling of soft tissues, cartilage and ligaments. Certain skeletal joints such as the pubic symphysis and sacroiliac widen or have increased laxity. The woman is the sole provider of nourishment for the embryo and later, the fetus, and so her plasma and blood volume slowly increase by 40-50% over the course of the pregnancy to accommodate the changes.[12] The increase is mainly due to an increase in plasma volume through increased aldosterone. It results in an increase in heart rate (15 beats/min more than usual), stroke volume, and cardiac output. Cardiac output increases by about 50%, mostly during the first trimester. The systemic vascular resistance also drops due to the smooth muscle relaxation and overall vasodilation caused by elevated progesterone, leading to a fall in blood pressure. Diastolic blood pressure consequently decreases between 12–26 weeks, and increases again to pre-pregnancy levels by 36 weeks. During pregnancy, both protein metabolism and carbohydrate metabolism are affected. One kilogram of extra protein is deposited, with half going to the fetus and placenta, and another half going to uterine contractile proteins, breast glandular tissue, plasma protein, and hemoglobin.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#517 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, a parasite is a type of life form, not "a species." Sheesh, learn biology before making total fools of yourselves.
I did not say parasite is a species. I said a parasite is a species, as is every organism. There are many species of parasite. Every parasite is a specific species(A parasite is a species). Humans are not a species of parasite, which means no humans are parasites at any age.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#518 May 3, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean like illegal aliens?
Do you want the jobs, they are doing? Cleaning crew at the golf course and clubhouse? I can put in a good word for you, it's like 5-6 hours a day (actually night), you will be paid cash money,$5.00 an hour, limit of 4 hours a day, and you can't leave until you get the job done*.

If you don't do the job and do it right, kiss your money that you have got coming goodbye and watch, the job be filled by somebody else an hour later. It's not really hard work, you will mostly be cleaning out the pool house restrooms. It's not so bad except on weekends, Sunday night and after any party.

Have you ever seen what the silver spoon set's teenagers can do to a restroom, with nothing but toilet paper, their own waste and time? Anyway, you want the job just say so.

BTW: your boss is contracting with you to provide the labour, he just supervises collects his money and dips out a smidgeon of it for you. You really know nothing about money, do you? He is getting around $2,700. a week for providing the crew, add in another $600.-$800. or so for a big party, double that if his crew is required to move chairs, folding tables, etc.

His other helper is his brother-in-law's brat (that is the guy who will watch you do all the work, then feign exhaustion should any one of import wander by), he is making double what you do, and only gets paid 30 hours a week. How's that hundred dollar bill a week looking to you now?

The jobs are there, I wonder why you don't already have one of them.

The parasite is the one, drawing sustenance from another, and is doing so in a way that is detrimental to it's host.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#519 May 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text> The mother provides for baby.
During pregnancy, the woman undergoes many physiological changes, which are entirely normal, including cardiovascular, hematologic, metabolic, renal and respiratory changes that become very important in the event of complications. The body must change its physiological and homeostatic mechanisms in pregnancy to ensure the fetus is provided for. Increases in blood sugar, breathing and cardiac output are all required. Levels of progesterone and estrogens rise continually throughout pregnancy, suppressing the hypothalamic axis and subsequently the menstrual cycle.Levels of progesterone and estrogens rise continually throughout pregnancy, suppressing the hypothalamic axis and subsequently the menstrual cycle. Estrogen is mainly produced by the placenta and is associated with fetal well–being. Women also experience increased human chorionic gonadotropin (&#946;-hCG); which is produced by the placenta. This maintains progesterone production by the corpus luteum. The increased progesterone production, first by corpus luteum and later by the placenta, mainly functions to relax smooth muscle.
Prolactin levels increase due to maternal pituitary gland enlargement by 50%. This mediates a change in the structure of the mammary gland from ductal to lobular-alveolar. Parathyroid hormone is increased which leads to increases of calcium uptake in the gut and reabsorption by the kidney. Adrenal hormones such as cortisol and aldosterone also increase.
Human placental lactogen (hPL) is produced by the placenta and stimulates lipolysis and fatty acid metabolism by the woman, conserving blood glucose for use by the fetus.
The body's posture changes as the pregnancy progresses. The pelvis tilts and the back arches to help keep balance. Poor posture occurs naturally from the stretching of the woman's abdominal muscles as the fetus grows. These muscles are less able to contract and keep the lower back in proper alignment. The pregnant woman has a different pattern of gait. The step lengthens as the pregnancy progresses, due to weight gain and changes in posture. On average, a woman's foot can grow by a half size or more during pregnancy. In addition, the increased body weight of pregnancy, fluid retention, and weight gain lowers the arches of the foot, further adding to the foot's length and width. The influences of increased hormones such as estrogen and relaxin initiate the remodeling of soft tissues, cartilage and ligaments. Certain skeletal joints such as the pubic symphysis and sacroiliac widen or have increased laxity. The woman is the sole provider of nourishment for the embryo and later, the fetus, and so her plasma and blood volume slowly increase by 40-50% over the course of the pregnancy to accommodate the changes.[12] The increase is mainly due to an increase in plasma volume through increased aldosterone. It results in an increase in heart rate (15 beats/min more than usual), stroke volume, and cardiac output. Cardiac output increases by about 50%, mostly during the first trimester. The systemic vascular resistance also drops due to the smooth muscle relaxation and overall vasodilation caused by elevated progesterone, leading to a fall in blood pressure. Diastolic blood pressure consequently decreases between 12–26 weeks, and increases again to pre-pregnancy levels by 36 weeks. During pregnancy, both protein metabolism and carbohydrate metabolism are affected. One kilogram of extra protein is deposited, with half going to the fetus and placenta, and another half going to uterine contractile proteins, breast glandular tissue, plasma protein, and hemoglobin.
You have described pretty well how the parasite derives it's nutritional requirements from it's sole provider host, and none of that seems a bit conducive the health of the host. In fact you haven't managed to show that it's anything thing other than a parasite/host scenario.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#520 May 3, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Do you want the jobs, they are doing? Cleaning crew at the golf course and clubhouse? I can put in a good word for you, it's like 5-6 hours a day (actually night), you will be paid cash money,$5.00 an hour, limit of 4 hours a day, and you can't leave until you get the job done*.
If you don't do the job and do it right, kiss your money that you have got coming goodbye and watch, the job be filled by somebody else an hour later. It's not really hard work, you will mostly be cleaning out the pool house restrooms. It's not so bad except on weekends, Sunday night and after any party.
Have you ever seen what the silver spoon set's teenagers can do to a restroom, with nothing but toilet paper, their own waste and time? Anyway, you want the job just say so.
BTW: your boss is contracting with you to provide the labour, he just supervises collects his money and dips out a smidgeon of it for you. You really know nothing about money, do you? He is getting around $2,700. a week for providing the crew, add in another $600.-$800. or so for a big party, double that if his crew is required to move chairs, folding tables, etc.
His other helper is his brother-in-law's brat (that is the guy who will watch you do all the work, then feign exhaustion should any one of import wander by), he is making double what you do, and only gets paid 30 hours a week. How's that hundred dollar bill a week looking to you now?
The jobs are there, I wonder why you don't already have one of them.
The parasite is the one, drawing sustenance from another, and is doing so in a way that is detrimental to it's host.
This is a basic flaw in our society. Welfare was meant to be a supplement to a persons wages, or an emergency measure, not a way of life. We have a lot of people sitting on their a$$es because they feel that certain jobs are beneath them. There is nothing wrong with being on a cleaning crew, maybe if people were required to take those jobs they wouldn't make as much of a mess. If you are taking handouts from the government you should be required to take a job that is available. Of course if US citizens were working at those jobs the employers wouldn't be able to get away with the crap that they can get away with when employing illegals.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#521 May 3, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>You have described pretty well how the parasite derives it's nutritional requirements from it's sole provider host, and none of that seems a bit conducive the health of the host. In fact you haven't managed to show that it's anything thing other than a parasite/host scenario.
The parasite? There are many species of parasite. And the various species of parasites derive their nutrional requirements in various ways.. Babies are always the same species as their mother. If the baby is a parasite than so must the mother be a parasite. Humans are not a species of parasite. So the mother and her baby cannot be parasites. There are many species of parasites, and none of them receive their nutritional requirements from an organ who's purpose is provide the parasite nutrition.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#522 May 3, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>You have described pretty well how the parasite derives it's nutritional requirements from it's sole provider host, and none of that seems a bit conducive the health of the host. In fact you haven't managed to show that it's anything thing other than a parasite/host scenario.
I didn't describe how the baby get its nutrition at all. I described the physiological benefits to the mother, caused by the baby's presence. Which is not a "parasite/host scenario" at all. Since parasites do not benefit the host.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#523 May 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not say parasite is a species. I said a parasite is a species, as is every organism. There are many species of parasite. Every parasite is a specific species(A parasite is a species). Humans are not a species of parasite, which means no humans are parasites at any age.
You failed to dodge your own stupid here.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#524 May 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>No, parasites do not benefit the host....
Tell that to the flora in your intestinal tract, stomach, and on your skin.
Lincoln

United States

#525 May 3, 2013
Politically Professor Dawkins views would hurt a candidates chances for election in the United States.
Lincoln

United States

#526 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet who contributes more, or at least does the least damage? Let's compare:
Dawkins:
1. Helps encourage people to learn, grow, and study pretty much everything.
2. Give uplifting speeches at gatherings.
3. Enjoys life without ever harming another living thing save for need.
4. Earns money by writing books people want to read just because.
Pope:
1. Hasn't worked a day in his life, all his "earnings" are from hand outs.
2. Supports the denial of care to people in need, especially in AIDS ridden Africa.
3. Condemns people for being who they are when they are not harming people but encourages people to "witch hunt."
4. Offers "get out of jail free" cards for believers(payers) yet says everyone else is doomed ... and is actually happy about that.
5. Heads an organization that has molested children and hidden it, and supports defending the molesters.
....
I know that list is massive but I'm too lazy to type the rest out.
seems a bit judgmental but has some valid points.
Are sales down on Dawkins books?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#527 May 3, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Politically Professor Dawkins views would hurt a candidates chances for election in the United States.
Politics is just a game of chess anyway, thus any opinion based on political pull is pretty much useless.
Lincoln

United States

#528 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Politics is just a game of chess anyway, thus any opinion based on political pull is pretty much useless.
Yes, agree!
President Obama is being attacked for racist reasons.
Seems to be doing his best to pull the US out of the Republican Bush stock market crash of 2008.
Religion plays a major role in politics in the US,
but maybe not in the UK?
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#529 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell that to the flora in your intestinal tract, stomach, and on your skin.
The flora that benefit humans are not parasitic they are mutualistic. Only the flora that harm humans are parasitic.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#530 May 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
The flora that benefit humans are not parasitic they are mutualistic. Only the flora that harm humans are parasitic.
No, they are parasites.

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