Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

Dec 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mail on Sunday

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

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Dec 13, 2012
 
Khatru wrote:
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Absolutely
Christianity was dead set against education.
After all, we only need to look at the reaction of the Christian church when the first European (China had them centuries before) printing presses started to produce bulk runs of the Bible. Prior to the printing press, the church had a monopoly on the production of documents and books. They also had the authority and influence to ensure that any documents it deemed to be heretical could be seized and destroyed.
Thankfully and despite the best efforts of the church to prevent it, printing presses took book copying out of the hands of the church. This led to more and more secular publications which would shake the foundations of centuries of Christian thought.
I blame the Pope. Henry VIII done us all a great favour by taking the Church away from Rome.

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#145
Dec 13, 2012
 
I'm not reading from posts 41 (page 3) to here as I don't have time, so I apologise if I've missed any questions for me between here and there.
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I find little evidence that scientists made discoveries *because* they were christian or muslim.
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Survival post Roman occupation was probably more important than learning to read and write. Early Christian monks such as Bede kept records thankfully. There was not the means for mass publications in those days unlkike now where we have the internet, books, newspapers etc.
The victorians laid the foundations of our present education system and I'm pretty sure they were Christian.
What does Islam do to those (especially females) that want to educate themselves?
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mikev483 wrote:
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if Islam was SO advanced in the past what happened to it?
a lot of the Islamic world would appear to be stuck in the 5th century.
After the Ottoman empire collapsed in the 15 century, Islamic leaders returned back to the days of religious dogma. This stifled scientific development to the point that the Muslim world now appears backward and stuck in the past.

A shame really because matehmatical knowledge in the ancient Islamic world was so advanced for its time.

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#150
Dec 13, 2012
 
I blame Blair too, and the socialist scum.
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I'm married to a French lady that was schooled to a very high level by French taxpayers. She has never paid a Franc/Euro of that back to France. That's because she has been in constant work in the UK and paid all her taxes to the UK.

Blair's experiment failed. His "guaranteed" ghetto votes for labour are now going to the likes of Galloway's respect party, whilst his white trash vote is going to racist bastards like the BNP.

I don't care what colour someone is, or where they're from, but if someone doesn't want to go down the pub and join in, if someone doesn't like Secular England's values, they should f**k off somewhere else.
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if you look at the map in the Daily Mail you can see which are the whitest parts of the UK. nearly all the immigrants are concentrated in cities, which in turn drives out existing white native peoples. Even white immigrants are driven out by this. But there are several almost 100% white areas in the UK. If anyione says we imported Somalis, etc , to fill jobs they are wrong. Most of the Blair inspired immigration was of illiterate peasants from Stone Age countries. We could have got ALL the jobs filled by white Europeans or latin Americans . The whole thing is Blair's fault, he wanted to make Britain "vibrant and Diverse".

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EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Everyone without exception? How do you know?
It's a law of physics.

Food is fuel. If you put in more fuel than you use, you gain weight. It is physically impossible to get fat without eating.

While it may be difficult for some, it is not impossible.
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Thinking wrote:
I'm married to a French lady that was schooled to a very high level by French taxpayers. She has never paid a Franc/Euro of that back to France. That's because she has been in constant work in the UK and paid all her taxes to the UK.
Blair's experiment failed. His "guaranteed" ghetto votes for labour are now going to the likes of Galloway's respect party, whilst his white trash vote is going to racist bastards like the BNP.
I don't care what colour someone is, or where they're from, but if someone doesn't want to go down the pub and join in, if someone doesn't like Secular England's values, they should f**k off somewhere else.
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People get caught up with skin colour and religion.

But you have hit the nail on the head. Doesn't matter where you hail from, if you can't accept British lifestyles then it is you that should change, not the other way round.

Despite the racial tensions that are now inevitable, Britain is still the most diverse and tolerant country I have ever witnessed. Ethnic minorities are actually treated as equals which is not the case in other european nations. And the Middle East is actively horrible to their minorities.

I won't talk about British values because I honestly believe that elements of the White British underclass abandoned those values decades ago.
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The fact of wether the OT is fact or fiction makes a big difference to these Fundys Dame Edna, your religion is all fake, and only fools & inbreds believe all that crap now.
Great comment.
Weren't you the captain of the university debating team?
LOL.
Fundamentalists are creeps.
Atheist fundamentalists are the worst.
Since you reject Christian morality what do you believe in?
Money?
Power?
Karl Marx?
The empty promises of some government con artist?
Cheap thrills?
Tell us.
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#156
Dec 13, 2012
 
The six people I socialise with most of all: 2 English, 1 French, 1 Polish, 1 Russian, 1 American. Not reading too much into it, but the Brits are non-believers, whilst the non-Brits are all believers.

They all pay taxes to the UK and are the first to be angered by immigrants that don't want to integrate or locals that don't want to contribute.
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People get caught up with skin colour and religion.
But you have hit the nail on the head. Doesn't matter where you hail from, if you can't accept British lifestyles then it is you that should change, not the other way round.
Despite the racial tensions that are now inevitable, Britain is still the most diverse and tolerant country I have ever witnessed. Ethnic minorities are actually treated as equals which is not the case in other european nations. And the Middle East is actively horrible to their minorities.
I won't talk about British values because I honestly believe that elements of the White British underclass abandoned those values decades ago.
Thinking

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#157
Dec 13, 2012
 
Define "Atheist fundamentalist"
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Great comment.
Weren't you the captain of the university debating team?
LOL.
Fundamentalists are creeps.
Atheist fundamentalists are the worst.
Since you reject Christian morality what do you believe in?
Money?
Power?
Karl Marx?
The empty promises of some government con artist?
Cheap thrills?
Tell us.
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gth
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rio wrote:
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Well, I am no Jew nor Muslim but I am in favour of it.
Deal with it!
Of course. You're not a jew or a muslim, or a christian and in recent days have started attacking atheists.

So, other than a troll, what are you?
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John wrote:
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No, I wasn't laughing at the neurotic fool. People who commit suicide over nothing are not funny.
Whining politically correct foreigners who try to lynch my countrymen for having a sense of humour are also not funny.
Harmless prank calls are funny.
You and the other wankers having a hissy fit over those Australians you are so jealous off are also funny.
Christianity, contrary to the ill informed opinion of yapping atheists, does not mean silent approval of every idiocy. It does mean that I wont kill you are rape you or rob you or leave you to starve in the gutter or bash you for amusement or try to take away your rights.
How does coveting private information, stealing it and then encouraging someone to kill themselves fit with christian ideals?

I'm pretty sure it breaks 3 of the ten commandments.
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John wrote:
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Ugh, this is like talking to a child.
Whether the Old Testament is literal or metaphorical makes no difference. It resonates with the very real problem of good verses evil.
Is there anybody in their right mind who doubts that evil is real?
The revolutionary vision of Christ was so profound it formed a large part of the moral foundation of the modern western world.
It is one of the anchors of our civilisation.
Every time it has been rejected by conceited people in favour of their own utopias there has been trouble.
Hitler rejected it in favour of a might is right vision of the merciless superman.
Trouble.
The Communists rejected it in favour of the mob and a greasy bureaucracy pretending to save people "the rich".
Trouble.
The modern Socialists continue the Communist shtick with a less violent mob of shrieking politically correct thugs and a shit load of nanny state legislation to save everybody from themselves.
Trouble.
Individuals conned by the "counter culture" propagandists into rejecting Christianity drift into all kinds of fads and cults looking for something to take its place.
They'll try veganism, feminism, drugs, booze, yoga, anything. Well, almost anything. They wont try the way of life that worked so well in the west for centuries because they have been brainwashed against our traditional ways by decades of loony left propaganda.
Sounds like you want to bring back witch burning.

PS If evil exists, you're it.
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From the 18th century onwards this Christian country has seen massive advancements in all ways. As far as I'm aware lots of other Christian countries have made great strides in advancement as well.
How many scientists these days are Christian? I personally have a scientist friend that is a church goer. Would he waste his time if he didn't believe?
1) This isn't a christian country.

2) If you don't think christianity has held back science then you're an idiot.
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Survival post Roman occupation was probably more important than learning to read and write. Early Christian monks such as Bede kept records thankfully. There was not the means for mass publications in those days unlkike now where we have the internet, books, newspapers etc.
The victorians laid the foundations of our present education system and I'm pretty sure they were Christian.
What does Islam do to those (especially females) that want to educate themselves?
I think you'll find that the church tried to ensure that they were the only ones who COULD write.
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Great point.

You couldn't even get an English language bible until the 16th Century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale
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I think you'll find that the church tried to ensure that they were the only ones who COULD write.
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reason or excuse?
Does it matter so much, or are you one of these macho types who claim women shouldn't have access to abortion?

You are so transparent in your bigoted and right-wing rants!
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mikev483 wrote:
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i mean is it right for the NHS to give EXPENSIVE HIV treatment to an immigrant fresh off the plane?
the alternative? send them home of course.
Well, as you choose to ignore, sending illegal immigrants back isn't straightforward business. maybe you don't follow the news.
It's a legal wrangle that can take years.
But you think it's OK to refuse treatment and let the individual transmit its disease.
You are sick!

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