Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

Dec 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mail on Sunday

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

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Looks like you're back-pedalling here.
You said...
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Implying that you are not happy for the tax-payer to pick up the tab for abortions.
it implied nothing,YOU ASSUMED.

if you care to read other posts of mine on this thread you will see where i stand on abortion.

why not give the "conclusion jumping" a rest?

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<quoted text>The issue is 'non-clinical reasons'. In the UK they are generally motivated by religion.(The last line of the article appears to explain nothing?)
Although I do not like the idea that any decisions are "motivated by religion", this is not the only motivational factor for a lot of people.

Whether these other factors really have any merit or not might be debatable, but they are still influential factors devoid of religious motivation.

I also found it fascinating that in Spain most female babies get ear piercings (not medically necessary), which could be considered cruelty. Yet as this procedure cannot be linked to religion, it is apparently not controversial.

Luckily I had 2 girls and was not faced with this decision, but prior to knowing which sex we were going to have I did a lot of research and was torn on which way to go. Like most real life decisions, it's really not as black-and-white as people want it to be.

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rio wrote:
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I never said that, and once again you attribute me thoughts I have never expressed.
An abortion, regardless of its reason, IS a medical procedure.
That is the responsability of the NHS in Britain, since it has the quasi monopoly on medical surgery in the country.
Although abortions can be performed privately, only a very small proportion of the population could afford them. Therefore, it's the responsability of the NHS.
Now, if a woman who wants an abortion is turned down by the NHS and visits a cheap back-street abortionist, she will still be entitled to free medical care under the NHS in case of complications. A&E and care will become very costly to the tax payer then.
Consequently, it far better for the NHS to perform the abortion with all the medical facilities at its disposal.
tell me.when an healthy woman terminates an healthy baby and the pregnancy poses NO MEDICAL RISK to the woman,what is the medical reason behind the termination?

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I think anyone who believes that people answering intrusive census questions believe in santa too.
I am sure more people than myself answered 'none of your business' to census takers about my religous affiliations. No telling what they wrote down in answer, but I doubt it was what I told them.
...except that U.S. census takers don't ask questions about faith or religious affiliation, which is why those data invariably come from organizations like the Pew Forum or ARIS. The census from this forum was conducted in England and Wales. The original data can be access through this link:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-cen...
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tell me.when an healthy woman terminates an healthy baby and the pregnancy poses NO MEDICAL RISK to the woman,what is the medical reason behind the termination?
I never said there was a medical reason, I said that abortion is a medical procedure.

I am not judge why a woman decides to terminate a pregnancy, and I think it is her right, as the law says.
I am a firm believer in a woman's right to abortion.

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<quoted text>Not all morbidly obese people are able to control their weight by dieting or surgery. It is obviously true that most people's weight problems are due to poor diet and poor self-discipline, but a few unfortunate individuals can apparently be both undernurished and over-weight. Many people find that impossible to believe, I don't know why.
I can't find a very good article on this quickly, but this is some evidence that it is apparently can happen...
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22729799
In the undernourished group, 28% were overweight (BMI 25-30) and 19% were obese (BMI >&#8201;30).
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Fair point

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mikev483 wrote:
it implied nothing,YOU ASSUMED.
So why did you say...
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but i would bet YOU are happy to make the tax-payer complicit in abortions.
yes?
no?
..as if it was some sort of issue when it now appears that it's not an issue for you?
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if you care to read other posts of mine on this thread you will see where i stand on abortion.
why not give the "conclusion jumping" a rest?
"other posts of mine on this thread"????

Any other posts of yours came after I made my post and not before. In other words, at the time I made my post it was impossible for me to read your "other posts".

Well, not without my breaking the laws of physics.

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I never said there was a medical reason, I said that abortion is a medical procedure.
I am not judge why a woman decides to terminate a pregnancy, and I think it is her right, as the law says.
I am a firm believer in a woman's right to abortion.
so you would be in favour of medically unnecessary cosmetic surgery,being done free on the NHS?
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so you would be in favour of medically unnecessary cosmetic surgery,being done free on the NHS?
I don't really have an opinion on that, but I cannot see what that has to do with abortions on the NHS.

In an ideal world, of course, every medical treatment should be available on the NHS where it is free, otherwise, you have a two-tier healthcare: one for those who can pay and the other for those who cannot afford it.

Maybe if there were less smokers and less alcoholics treated on the NHS, it could divert its attention towards botox injections and breast implants on healthy patients, don't you agree?

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So why did you say...
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..as if it was some sort of issue when it now appears that it's not an issue for you?
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"other posts of mine on this thread"????
Any other posts of yours came after I made my post and not before. In other words, at the time I made my post it was impossible for me to read your "other posts".
Well, not without my breaking the laws of physics.
so i did .

ill have to burst your bubble here but contrary to what you may believe i DO NOT sit waiting for your next post or change my opinion to get one up on you.

what i said in my posts i stand by.

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rio wrote:
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I don't really have an opinion on that, but I cannot see what that has to do with abortions on the NHS.
In an ideal world, of course, every medical treatment should be available on the NHS where it is free, otherwise, you have a two-tier healthcare: one for those who can pay and the other for those who cannot afford it.
Maybe if there were less smokers and less alcoholics treated on the NHS, it could divert its attention towards botox injections and breast implants on healthy patients, don't you agree?
you do realise that the NHS is not actually free dont you? someone has to pay wages and bills,that would be the tax payer.

so you want to pick and choose who gets treatment?
can i have a go?
how about if we treat less HIV drug addicts and less illegal immigrants,YOU AGREE?

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so i did .
ill have to burst your bubble here but contrary to what you may believe i DO NOT sit waiting for your next post or change my opinion to get one up on you.
what i said in my posts i stand by.
You stand by your posts, that's fine with me.

However, don't expect me to travel an hour or so into the future and read your posts before I make mine.

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<quoted text>Not all morbidly obese people are able to control their weight by dieting or surgery. It is obviously true that most people's weight problems are due to poor diet and poor self-discipline, but a few unfortunate individuals can apparently be both undernurished and over-weight. Many people find that impossible to believe, I don't know why.

I can't find a very good article on this quickly, but this is some evidence that it is apparently can happen...
From:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22729799
In the undernourished group, 28% were overweight (BMI 25-30) and 19% were obese (BMI >&#8201;30).
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You can't find a good article on it because there aren't any.

Even people with medical conditions that make it difficult to control their weight CAN control it with strict dietary measures.

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Khatru wrote:
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You stand by your posts, that's fine with me.
However, don't expect me to travel an hour or so into the future and read your posts before I make mine.
i dont expect you to do anything.
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mikev483 wrote:
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so millions of Jewish and Muslim parents are "abusive" ?
that would be your opinion not a fact.
Possibly not 'millions' in the UK, but it is my understanding,(unlike Hedonist in the USA) that they are that abusive for religious reasons. Yes, that is certainly my view. And it is a fairly black-&-white issue in temperate zones from the medical and scientific opinions that I have read. People tend to be more religious in the USA and perhaps that accounts for the difference in the perspective of H and I? The views I read may be more objective, or it may be the fact that the UK,(unlike the southern USA) is in an entirely temperate climate zone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_the_U...
...The Southeastern United States, including coastal Texas and Florida, generally have a hot, humid, subtropical...Unquote.
mikev483 wrote:
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ill be honest i am in no way a practicing Christian and have very little time for Islam, but the way the Left attempt to impose their ideals on others is wrong.
Nothing to do with 'left or right' politically.(Please don't start that). It is an important discussion and a question of clinical judgement and advice.
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You can't find a good article on it because there aren't any.
Even people with medical conditions that make it difficult to control their weight CAN control it with strict dietary measures.
Everyone without exception? How do you know?
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you do realise that the NHS is not actually free dont you? someone has to pay wages and bills,that would be the tax payer.
so you want to pick and choose who gets treatment?
can i have a go?
how about if we treat less HIV drug addicts and less illegal immigrants,YOU AGREE?
I know perfectly well that the NHS doesn't come free, most people pay quite a lot of money for it, and have no choice in it.
That's why, I think, the NHS should offer most of the medical treatments.

Now, if you want to pick and chose who should have priority of treatment and who should have to be sent at the bottom of the queue, I have a suggestion.

Anyone who uses alcohol or tobacco should only be treated after undergoing full detox. That would reduce all the cardiac and pulmonary problems, the gastric ailments. Less open-heart surgeries, less liver transplants, less colonic cancers, etc....

Anyone overweight should only be treated after substantial weight loss. That would reduce also cardiac and digestive problems, joints problems, spinal problems, etc...

What do you think?
Wow, I have cut down 2/3 of the NHS cost in one go!

I don't really think that circumcisions and abortions take much of NHS time and resources, being straightforward procedures (a matter of minutes for circumcision), and their cost are mere pitance compared to cardi-vascular problems, etc...

As for administrating drugs in a clinic to registerd addicts, a nurse could do that. Again at next to no cost.

Treating less HIV patients wouldn't be very clever. It would be like ignoring a timebomb in the room. HIV can be transmited don't you think? I don't know about illegal immigrants. Do we have any?
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how about any immigrant who arrives with AIDS is sent straight back? and of course we have illegal immigrants, thousands of them.
Well, I am just wondering after watching some programes about border control on the TV.

Looks to me that illegal are bailed and told to report after they get caught. There is no visible effort to deport them.

Apparently you need their consent, or at least have proof where they come from. So an undocumented illegal can play the game for quite a long time.

Also, Britain can only deport to countries that accept their nationals back; they don't always do that.

After a few years of misery and useless paperwork, the Home Office finally give Leave to Remain, and that's that!

This is why I made the sarcastic comment: "Do we still have illegals?"

You can't really blame them for trying if we have such a dumb system, can we?
Have you seen the "arrests" made at the Dover terminal for the "stowaways" caught onboard trucks? It's cups of tea, friendly interviews, distribution of blankets, medical examinations, etc... Years later, they are in the streets.
But the (sometimes) innocent truck driver gets the fines!!!
Absolutely laughable!!
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Atheism is't another religion.... how can it be?

Atheists by definition don't believe in anything, by that reasoning Atheism can not be regarded as a religion
Atheists vehemently believe in a spiritual vacuum. It may be an empty space but atheists can see it and feel it just as anyone in an organised religion sees and feels a deity. Atheism as a religion has its own symbols and mantras and "church" leaders. The fact that people get so excited about it is just like a religious fever.

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rio wrote:
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I know perfectly well that the NHS doesn't come free, most people pay quite a lot of money for it, and have no choice in it.
That's why, I think, the NHS should offer most of the medical treatments.
Now, if you want to pick and chose who should have priority of treatment and who should have to be sent at the bottom of the queue, I have a suggestion.
Anyone who uses alcohol or tobacco should only be treated after undergoing full detox. That would reduce all the cardiac and pulmonary problems, the gastric ailments. Less open-heart surgeries, less liver transplants, less colonic cancers, etc....
Anyone overweight should only be treated after substantial weight loss. That would reduce also cardiac and digestive problems, joints problems, spinal problems, etc...
What do you think?
Wow, I have cut down 2/3 of the NHS cost in one go!
I don't really think that circumcisions and abortions take much of NHS time and resources, being straightforward procedures (a matter of minutes for circumcision), and their cost are mere pitance compared to cardi-vascular problems, etc...
As for administrating drugs in a clinic to registerd addicts, a nurse could do that. Again at next to no cost.
Treating less HIV patients wouldn't be very clever. It would be like ignoring a timebomb in the room. HIV can be transmited don't you think? I don't know about illegal immigrants. Do we have any?
you know that the NHS is not free and that many people pay quite a lot for it but still want to waste their money on drug addicts most of which have never or will never contributed ANYTHING to this nation or their communities.

as for HIV you do know that the vast majority of new HIV cases in the UK are actually African immigrants,you want to treat them?

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