Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

Dec 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mail on Sunday

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

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the real Blunt Mocker wrote:
<quoted text>"judgemental "?? what a daft thing to say! of course he was making a judgement, circumcision except for medical reasons is a barbaric and stupid custom and should be illegal , unless the person is of age and pays himself. It should NOT be inflicted on children because of soem crazy religious reason. The only reason you defend it is because you like moslems so much.
One can always trust you to make a stupid comment.
You always find something to bitch about, don't you?

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But if you look back even further, it is the Islamic world that gave the Christian west a foundation on which to build advanced technologies.
Medical advancements, mathematical advancements and scientific study were all part and parcel of the Islamic world while we in the west were still blood letting and burning witches.
At some point in their history, the leaders of the islamic worl saw science as an afront to God and that was that.
We have benefitted greatly from the scientific advances Islam made in the Middle ages.
if Islam was SO advanced in the past what happened to it?

a lot of the Islamic world would appear to be stuck in the 5th century.

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<quoted text>I fully agree. Now can we stop male child mutilation for non-clinical reasons? At least won't you compromise and admit that religionists shouldn't make the tax-payer complicit in the abuse by using public funds? I think it is morally wrong.
but i would bet YOU are happy to make the tax-payer complicit in abortions.

yes?

no?

“ecrasez l'infame”

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the real Blunt Mocker wrote:
<quoted text>"judgemental "?? what a daft thing to say! of course he was making a judgement, circumcision except for medical reasons is a barbaric and stupid custom and should be illegal , unless the person is of age and pays himself. It should NOT be inflicted on children because of soem crazy religious reason. The only reason you defend it is because you like moslems so much.
It's not just a religious argument --

" http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php... ;

The last line of the article kind of puts it in perspective.

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And continues to spiral downwards in some parts of the Muslim world. But places like Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia and Dubai are technological marvels in terms of architecture and mod cons for the super rich. But the technology is not home grown, they look to China and Japan for development.
I fear America might have started down that road. If the religious right managed to get Creationism on the syllabus, then its not long before Science in schools will start to be dumbed down. They couldn't ban stem cell and 'in vitro' research but managed to put a stop to govt funding.
We could be seeing another cycle of the most developed nations failing because of religious dogma
Good post

The religious right are a scary lot who would happily scrap their constitution and turn America into a theocracy.

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but i would bet YOU are happy to make the tax-payer complicit in abortions.
yes?
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An abortion is a medical procedure, therefore the domain of our National Health Service.

Or maybe you would prefer that back-street abortions become the norm for those who can't afford private hospital fees.

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if Islam was SO advanced in the past what happened to it?
a lot of the Islamic world would appear to be stuck in the 5th century.
They gave up on science and started to take their religion too seriously and gradually drowned in a cesspit of piety.

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if Islam was SO advanced in the past what happened to it?
a lot of the Islamic world would appear to be stuck in the 5th century.
That kind of radical change in culture could never be caused by just one event or person. But around 1100 CE we have both the first Crusades (Pope Urban II) and the philosophical influence of Al-Ghazali.

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but i would bet YOU are happy to make the tax-payer complicit in abortions.
yes?
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Why not?

The taxpayer already pays for treatment to the morbidly obese and to smokers.

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rio wrote:
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An abortion is a medical procedure, therefore the domain of our National Health Service.
Or maybe you would prefer that back-street abortions become the norm for those who can't afford private hospital fees.
you think ALL abortions are undertaken for medical reasons?

you are either ignorant of the facts or simply lying.

now,rio/ronan this is a classic example of you jumping to nasty bigoted left wing conclusions. i am not against medically necessary abortions.
that's pissed on your campfire a bit hasn't it.

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They gave up on science and started to take their religion too seriously and gradually drowned in a cesspit of piety.
really.

do you think that Industrial Revolution Britain did not take its religion seriously?

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Why not?
The taxpayer already pays for treatment to the morbidly obese and to smokers.
why not what?

nowhere in that post did disagree with the funding of anything.

more lefty conclusion jumping?
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but i would bet YOU are happy to make the tax-payer complicit in abortions.
yes?
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For ethical and clinical reasons, abortions can be perfectly justified. The regulations regarding abortion are to protect health, not the religious prejudices of an abusive parent.

I don't adhere to some people's idea of live and let live which seems to be indulge in child mutilation first and then live and let live. Abortion and child mutilation are wrong when not carried out for strictly clinical reasons and a healthy outcome.

When religion comes in the room, reason goes out the window.

At least I suggested a compromise over child abuse that I wasn't at all happy to allow, yet I was found somewhat 'aggressive'. It seems that is how atheists are regarded sometimes however tolerant or reasonable we are.

Religion = superstition
And I see nothing 'beautiful' or useful in religious faith.
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Unbelievably, it's also still currently legal to f**k animals in Germany.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20523950
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Can you give us links on that, because I cannot find anywhere the UN pronouncing itself on circumcision.
The World Health Organisation is ambivalent about it, and many medical authorities have come in favour of circumcision, notably in Africa in the fight against HIV/AIDS and other STD.
So, I really would like to know when the UN debated about circumcision.
As a matter of interest, the German parliament has just voted a law protecting the practice of circumcision, after some people took surgeons to court and tries to have it banned.
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It's not just a religious argument --
" http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php... ;
The last line of the article kind of puts it in perspective.
The issue is 'non-clinical reasons'. In the UK they are generally motivated by religion.(The last line of the article appears to explain nothing?)

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really.
do you think that Industrial Revolution Britain did not take its religion seriously?
You're right - religion in those days was a very serious business indeed.

However, unlike the Ottomans, it didn't get to the stage where scepticism, enquiry and freethinking became stifled by religious fundamentalism.

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why not what?
nowhere in that post did disagree with the funding of anything.
more lefty conclusion jumping?
Looks like you're back-pedalling here.

You said...
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but i would bet YOU are happy to make the tax-payer complicit in abortions.
yes?
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Implying that you are not happy for the tax-payer to pick up the tab for abortions.
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Why not?
The taxpayer already pays for treatment to the morbidly obese and to smokers.
Not all morbidly obese people are able to control their weight by dieting or surgery. It is obviously true that most people's weight problems are due to poor diet and poor self-discipline, but a few unfortunate individuals can apparently be both undernurished and over-weight. Many people find that impossible to believe, I don't know why.

I can't find a very good article on this quickly, but this is some evidence that it is apparently can happen...
From:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22729799
In the undernourished group, 28% were overweight (BMI 25-30) and 19% were obese (BMI >&#8201;30).
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you think ALL abortions are undertaken for medical reasons?
I never said that, and once again you attribute me thoughts I have never expressed.

An abortion, regardless of its reason, IS a medical procedure.
That is the responsability of the NHS in Britain, since it has the quasi monopoly on medical surgery in the country.

Although abortions can be performed privately, only a very small proportion of the population could afford them. Therefore, it's the responsability of the NHS.

Now, if a woman who wants an abortion is turned down by the NHS and visits a cheap back-street abortionist, she will still be entitled to free medical care under the NHS in case of complications. A&E and care will become very costly to the tax payer then.

Consequently, it far better for the NHS to perform the abortion with all the medical facilities at its disposal.

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<quoted text>For ethical and clinical reasons, abortions can be perfectly justified. The regulations regarding abortion are to protect health, not the religious prejudices of an abusive parent.
I don't adhere to some people's idea of live and let live which seems to be indulge in child mutilation first and then live and let live. Abortion and child mutilation are wrong when not carried out for strictly clinical reasons and a healthy outcome.
When religion comes in the room, reason goes out the window.
At least I suggested a compromise over child abuse that I wasn't at all happy to allow, yet I was found somewhat 'aggressive'. It seems that is how atheists are regarded sometimes however tolerant or reasonable we are.
Religion = superstition
And I see nothing 'beautiful' or useful in religious faith.
so millions of Jewish and Muslim parents are "abusive" ?

that would be your opinion not a fact.

ill be honest i am in no way a practicing Christian and have very little time for Islam,but the way the Left attempt to impose their ideals on others is wrong.

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