Census data reveal there are 4million...

Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

There are 394 comments on the Mail on Sunday story from Dec 11, 2012, titled Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist. In it, Mail on Sunday reports that:

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

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Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#22 Dec 12, 2012
Khatru wrote:
Then again, many people will have ticked the Christianity box for cultural, rather than religious reasons.
Exactly. The number of Christians in these surveys is vastly overstated.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#23 Dec 12, 2012
A Christian nation led the advancement that took us out of the dark ages. That same country, and other western nations have gone from strength to strength over the last few centuries. What do they all have in common? Their not Islamic.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#24 Dec 12, 2012
Imagine being brought back in 80,000 years.
Any of us would appear so very backward and useless in that environment, I just don't know if we'd be able to catch up.
Dubbadub wrote:
If I didn't believe in God I'd definitely have myself frozen, at least my brain anyway. Hear they do it indefinitely now for 80,000, then IF they ever have the tech they will bring you back.
I don't think us humans are far away from immortality, sad thing is I don't think anyone born before 2000 has much hope of the technology being around by then.
Imagine dying, and that was that you didn't exist whatsoever anymore and never would again. Fcukin scary scary thought......
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#25 Dec 12, 2012
Absolutely. We've lost so much history because literacy was restricted by the church.
Adam wrote:
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The dark ages were 1000 years in Europe 5th to 15th centuries. Surely not a coincidence that this was the same time Christianity took off.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#26 Dec 12, 2012
Define "socialist".
John wrote:
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You are a typical conceited socialist jerk.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#29 Dec 12, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
..Their not Islamic.
Mosques are churches. Imams are priests. Beliefs in God, Heaven and hell, angels, a holy book claiming to be God's word. They are both similar when you really think about it.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#30 Dec 12, 2012
Literacy died on its arse when christianity took over from Rome in Europe. That's why we've got so few records from the second half of the first millennium.
supersonic boom wrote:
Christianity is the reason the west is so advanced unlike Islamic countries that keep themselves in the dark ages.
CrimeaRiver

UK

#31 Dec 12, 2012
John wrote:
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Atheism is just another religion.
The statement "there is no god" is just as arrogant and conceited as any other religious dogma.
Atheism is't another religion.... how can it be?

Faith based religions have some basis in the idea of a creator God.

Even Buddhists who don't believe in a creator God still believe in Karma and Nirvana.

Atheists by definition don't believe in anything, by that reasoning Atheism can not be regarded as a religion
CrimeaRiver

UK

#32 Dec 12, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
A Christian nation led the advancement that took us out of the dark ages. That same country, and other western nations have gone from strength to strength over the last few centuries. What do they all have in common? Their not Islamic.
But if you look back even further, it is the Islamic world that gave the Christian west a foundation on which to build advanced technologies.

Medical advancements, mathematical advancements and scientific study were all part and parcel of the Islamic world while we in the west were still blood letting and burning witches.

At some point in their history, the leaders of the islamic worl saw science as an afront to God and that was that.

We have benefitted greatly from the scientific advances Islam made in the Middle ages.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#33 Dec 12, 2012
John wrote:
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Yeh great!
Now sick new age cults like veganism and sick foreign cults like islam will try to fill the vacuum.
Do you loony left culture destroyers have any sense at all?
ROFLMAO!!

Why are the angriest, looniest people always unregistered?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#34 Dec 12, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
Those that have a religion (or none) but keep it relatively to themselves are far better than those that try to push their religious, or atheist views on others.
Yeah, I'll go with that.

Although it's safe to say that when it comes to pushing your views on others, Christians are among the worst.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#35 Dec 12, 2012
John wrote:
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Atheism is just another religion.
The statement "there is no god" is just as arrogant and conceited as any other religious dogma.
Atheists say that "there are no gods".

Plural, you see - not singular.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#36 Dec 12, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
Christianity is the reason the west is so advanced unlike Islamic countries that keep themselves in the dark ages.
We had nearly 1500 years of Christianity before the scientific revolution began, which helped to shape our view on reality.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#37 Dec 12, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Its Theists that push their views on others. Thats their commission, to preach.
You certainly won't see atheists going from door-to-door, trying to convert people to their way of thinking.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#38 Dec 12, 2012
Adam wrote:
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The dark ages were 1000 years in Europe 5th to 15th centuries. Surely not a coincidence that this was the same time Christianity took off.
Absolutely

Christianity was dead set against education.

After all, we only need to look at the reaction of the Christian church when the first European (China had them centuries before) printing presses started to produce bulk runs of the Bible. Prior to the printing press, the church had a monopoly on the production of documents and books. They also had the authority and influence to ensure that any documents it deemed to be heretical could be seized and destroyed.

Thankfully and despite the best efforts of the church to prevent it, printing presses took book copying out of the hands of the church. This led to more and more secular publications which would shake the foundations of centuries of Christian thought.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#39 Dec 12, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
A Christian nation led the advancement that took us out of the dark ages. That same country, and other western nations have gone from strength to strength over the last few centuries. What do they all have in common? Their not Islamic.
They weren't Islamic but that doesn't mean Christianity takes the credit.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#40 Dec 12, 2012
David UK wrote:
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No it isn't, for a long time Christianity held scientists by their balls threatening them with being burned alive if they went against Christian doctrine, it's been the free thinkers of this world who have driven our progress.
Well said!

Ignorance was the cornerstone of the teachings of early Christianity:

"Empty your minds of secular knowledge."
-John Chrysostom, Holy Hierarch of Constantinople (347-407 CE)-

“Scripture gives no false information.” & "Since God has spoken to us it is no longer necessary for us to think."
– St Augustine of Hippo,(354-430 CE)-

"Ignorance is the mother of piety"
-Pope Gregory I,(590-604 CE)-

It's easy to see how people were brainwashed with those sort of teachings.

Of course, if you were a thinker and had your own healthy scepticism to observe, you were an enemy of Christianity and something that had to be suppressed at all costs.

Fortunately, Christianity proved to be far too weak to stand up to smart people and Christians can no longer kill us as heretics.

The principles of Christianity were used by society as a reason to treat everyone else with no respect and little tolerance.

Those Christian principles made it lawful to burn heretics, kill witches, keep slaves and deny equality to people because of their religion, gender, disabilities, sexual orientation, etc.

Thankfully our secular society respects everyone's rights and not just one religious group (which is how Christians would have it).

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#41 Dec 12, 2012
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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But if you look back even further, it is the Islamic world that gave the Christian west a foundation on which to build advanced technologies.
Medical advancements, mathematical advancements and scientific study were all part and parcel of the Islamic world while we in the west were still blood letting and burning witches.
At some point in their history, the leaders of the islamic worl saw science as an afront to God and that was that.
We have benefitted greatly from the scientific advances Islam made in the Middle ages.
That's why the Ottoman Empire was so successful - they had the science.

Unfortunately for them, religion took over and they became extremely pious which meant that for the Ottomans, the only way was down.
CrimeaRiver

UK

#42 Dec 12, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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That's why the Ottoman Empire was so successful - they had the science.
Unfortunately for them, religion took over and they became extremely pious which meant that for the Ottomans, the only way was down.
And continues to spiral downwards in some parts of the Muslim world. But places like Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia and Dubai are technological marvels in terms of architecture and mod cons for the super rich. But the technology is not home grown, they look to China and Japan for development.

I fear America might have started down that road. If the religious right managed to get Creationism on the syllabus, then its not long before Science in schools will start to be dumbed down. They couldn't ban stem cell and 'in vitro' research but managed to put a stop to govt funding.

We could be seeing another cycle of the most developed nations failing because of religious dogma
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#43 Dec 12, 2012
John wrote:
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Atheism is just another religion.
The statement "there is no god" is just as arrogant and conceited as any other religious dogma.
Quite, but atheism isn't a religion or dogma...
Atheism..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiati...
While there may be an occasional atheist who is adament that there is no god that isn't generally harmful. I often say there is no god, but such beliefs are simply held for lack of any evidence to the contrary. I also say there are no pixies.

One cannot simply dismiss atheism or atheists as 'just another religion'. Atheist is what religionists call me. I am not interested in religion, only in stopping the harmful consequences of it such as attacks on science,(ID/Creationism); attacks on education (e.g. segregation of children according to their parents religious delusions); attacks on our political system (no time to discuss Lords reform or disestablishment of the CofE, but time to make gay marriage illegal and debate women bishops); and child mutilation (religiously motivated circumcision - and making me feel complicit by using public money to do it.)

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