Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

Dec 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mail on Sunday

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

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Thinking

London, UK

#382 Jun 20, 2013
You are just another typotard.
colin wrote:
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Your poor little brain couldn't think of anything to say, so we have to put it in a nice little playback.
Typical losers style.
goitre

UK

#383 Jun 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>You are just another typotard.
You are simply a retard
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#384 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
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You should take the complaints about your upbringing to your parents, and not blame religions for it. Did you raise the issue with your parents?
I was raised as a RC myself, and I left the Church when I became adult: I just didn't accept the dogma and the hierarchy. I took the issue with my parents, but I didn't became an religion-hater for that! My sibblings were quite happy to stay catholics. Good for them.
My experience taught me to be tolerant of other people's beliefs, or lack of. I have practiced that in my family; one of my daughters is Buddhist, the other turned pagan, my sons are atheist and my present wife is Muslim, me? I believe in God and afterlife, but don't belong to any religion. We get on well, and we don't have pointless arguments about beliefs.
It's when someone forces another, or forbids another that things go wrong.
Thanks for the replies Rio. I think you have demonstrated your hypocricy, ignorance and prejudice for all to see.
Thinking

London, UK

#385 Jun 20, 2013
rio says all Atheists are intolerant of believers, yet I go out drinking with plenty of believers. No problems.

If rio's Atheist sons are truly intolerant of believers, maybe their parents should take some responsibility for this.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for the replies Rio. I think you have demonstrated your hypocricy, ignorance and prejudice for all to see.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#386 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
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Atheism is just one of those: a very dangerous fundamentalist ideology that makes no provision for the tolerance of believers.
Atheists in power are no better than the Spanish Inquisition, as history has proven.
rio wrote:
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Believers of different faith often manage to cohabit, but atheists are by nature intolerant of believers.
rio wrote:
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I am quite at ease with believers of any religion, atheists or agnostics.
So am I. It's intolerance, prejudice and extremism such as you exhibit that causes problems.
rio wrote:
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It's only when someone claims to denigrate others, pretends to hold the moral high ground and expect to impose his views that I object.
That is my quarrel with you. You should read my comments sometime – and your own. It is you who claimed atheists are intolerant of believers by nature.
rio wrote:
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I have seen as much intolerance among atheits than among fanatic religionists so far.
Too true, but you see it where it doesn't exist.

I think you demonstrate very well that religion is nothing but trouble these days. And thinking a god sent a prophet to Earth to ‘show us the way’ isn’t superstition?! I suppose transubstantiation or exorcism isn’t either?!
Or behaviour like this....
http://www.google.co.uk/search...
This is not me 'denegrating what I see'. It is an honest opinion and I think religion is harmful for the reasons I have stated and you ignore.

Religion = superstition. That’s not prejudice, it is just obvious....
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#387 Jun 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
rio says all Atheists are intolerant of believers, yet I go out drinking with plenty of believers. No problems.
If rio's Atheist sons are truly intolerant of believers, maybe their parents should take some responsibility for this.
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What gets me is that he can't seem to differentiate between people discussing a subject frankly and 'attacking people'. He just assumes that any objection or criticism of religion or faith is prejudice. He has no respect for history and (as if Russian communism was motivated by non-belief in gods). He can show clear prejudice against you and I but if we dare to point out that religion is based on 'good books' and superstition or that religion contributes to sectarianism then we're to blame.

He even blames me for trying to do as my parents wanted me to and keep them happy. Actually, it was just one parent who was religious. As is often the case, the whole family had to pretend to believe to 'keep the peace', or the religionists couldn't cope with the fact we were all non-believers. No matter how crazy it gets, religionists and people of faith never seem to see it.

I understand the reaction. Religionists and people of faith have yet to get used to seeing religion openly challenged.
JMHO
Thinking

London, UK

#388 Jun 20, 2013
The similarly named siro applies a "one size fits all" approach to non-believers, yet expects others to understand why one manufactured sect of islam needs to be handled with a different set of kid gloves to another.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>What gets me is that he can't seem to differentiate between people discussing a subject frankly and 'attacking people'. He just assumes that any objection or criticism of religion or faith is prejudice. He has no respect for history and (as if Russian communism was motivated by non-belief in gods). He can show clear prejudice against you and I but if we dare to point out that religion is based on 'good books' and superstition or that religion contributes to sectarianism then we're to blame.
He even blames me for trying to do as my parents wanted me to and keep them happy. Actually, it was just one parent who was religious. As is often the case, the whole family had to pretend to believe to 'keep the peace', or the religionists couldn't cope with the fact we were all non-believers. No matter how crazy it gets, religionists and people of faith never seem to see it.
I understand the reaction. Religionists and people of faith have yet to get used to seeing religion openly challenged.
JMHO
Curious

New York, NY

#389 Jun 20, 2013
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you're a coward who insults atheists because you know that you cannot argue against them.
What is the basis of your atheism? How did you come to the conclusion that there isn't a God?
rio

London, UK

#390 Jun 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Your Jesus,(were he real) would say to you: "Satan, get thee behind me! I do not know you."
And who told you that I believe in Jesus? I don't!

I acknowledge him as the historical figure; the leader of a religious sect in the middle east 20 centuries ago. Nothing more.

There is more to theism than abrahamic religions, don't you know?
rio

London, UK

#391 Jun 20, 2013
EdSed wrote:
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It is you who claimed atheists are intolerant of believers by nature.
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Most confessed atheists have adopted that position because of personal trauma in their childhood.

Or they had very forceful parents they want to rebel against, or they felt victimised in their religion (catholic boarding school, circuncision), or their religion didn't suit their lifestyle (being gay, or divorcing), or their aquired ideology (marxism, socialism), etc...

Very few atheists that I have met were in fact born in an atheist family. So atheism is to be seen as a rejection of family/country traditional values.

Having left their original/familial religion and adopted a new stance, most atheists wish to eradicate religion, which they see as obsolete and try to convince their peers of the rightness of their views. It's in fact proselystism in reverse!

That's why I say that atheists are intolerant.
rio

London, UK

#392 Jun 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
rio says all Atheists are intolerant of believers, yet I go out drinking with plenty of believers. No problems.

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I meant in a religious context, of course, in a philosophical discussion.
Invariably atheists accuse believers of any sorts, of superstition.
Amused

Princeton, MA

#393 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
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I meant in a religious context, of course, in a philosophical discussion.
Invariably atheists accuse believers of any sorts, of superstition.


What else would one call belief in the supernatural?

Definition of superstition from the Oxford Dictionary
noun

Excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings:
he dismissed the ghost stories as mere superstition

A widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event, or a practice based on such a belief:
she touched her locket for luck, a superstition she had had since childhood
Origin:

Middle English: from Old French, or from Latin superstitio(n-), from super-'over'+ stare 'to stand'(perhaps from the notion of “standing over” something in awe)

Sorry if you don't like the word, but it is what it is. If you believe in supernatural causation, whether that means a supernatural creator magicked everything into existence in 6 days, or that breaking a mirror will bring 7 years of bad luck, you are superstitious.
rio

London, UK

#394 Jun 20, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Sorry if you don't like the word, but it is what it is. If you believe in supernatural causation, whether that means a supernatural creator magicked everything into existence in 6 days,
To believe in supernatural, or to deny it: in both case it's a leap of faith.
You just cannot prove anything, one way of the other.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#395 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
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And who told you that I believe in Jesus? I don't!
I acknowledge him as the historical figure; the leader of a religious sect in the middle east 20 centuries ago. Nothing more.
There is more to theism than abrahamic religions, don't you know?
I just assumed you were one of those Jesus-worshipping azzholes.

You certainly have all the insane behaviors of one....

... no matter. A theist is still insane, regardless of which imaginary sky-fairy he pretends is "real"...
rio

London, UK

#396 Jun 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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A theist is still insane,
I can return you the compliment: an atheist is insane.

Better people than you and me have been debating the subject for centuries, and nobody can claim to have convinced the other side.

Faith or lack of, is just something personal and at the core of an individual. There is no need to make judgement on anyone who holds one position or the other. I certainly won't, and I cannot understand why you so savagely dismiss people of another opinion.

Just an unverified stat I read the other say; most Nobel Prize recipient believe in some form of deity. I suppose they are all insane and barking mad for you? Well...

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#397 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
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Most confessed atheists have adopted that position because of personal trauma in their childhood.
Nope.
Don’t know where you get that from.
rio wrote:
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Or they had very forceful parents they want to rebel against, or they felt victimised in their religion (catholic boarding school, circuncision), or their religion didn't suit their lifestyle (being gay, or divorcing), or their aquired ideology (marxism, socialism), etc...
Boy you are tiring to cover your bases.
How about we just read the book of religion for what it is.
rio wrote:
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Very few atheists that I have met were in fact born in an atheist family. So atheism is to be seen as a rejection of family/country traditional values.
You know very few atheists do you? Atheist become by their own device some through education others through religion, and still others by never sub coming to indoctrination.
rio wrote:
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Having left their original/familial religion and adopted a new stance, most atheists wish to eradicate religion, which they see as obsolete and try to convince their peers of the rightness of their views. It's in fact proselystism in reverse!.
No just stating the truth.
rio wrote:
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That's why I say that atheists are intolerant.
At least you are just as intolerant.
test

Ashburn, VA

#398 Jun 20, 2013
Test
Thinking

London, UK

#400 Jun 21, 2013
Sources?

The science prizes are of most interest to me, the rest is just bum fluff.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/ar...

I think your sources will show modern science prize recipients are far less likely to be believers.
rio wrote:
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I can return you the compliment: an atheist is insane.
Better people than you and me have been debating the subject for centuries, and nobody can claim to have convinced the other side.
Faith or lack of, is just something personal and at the core of an individual. There is no need to make judgement on anyone who holds one position or the other. I certainly won't, and I cannot understand why you so savagely dismiss people of another opinion.
Just an unverified stat I read the other say; most Nobel Prize recipient believe in some form of deity. I suppose they are all insane and barking mad for you? Well...
Thinking

London, UK

#401 Jun 21, 2013
I don't care what someone religious believes in if they're tolerant.

But if you inform a muslim that mohammed thighed a very young girl, they often become mental, sometimes even violent.

That's why it is impossible to respect islam.
rio wrote:
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I meant in a religious context, of course, in a philosophical discussion.
Invariably atheists accuse believers of any sorts, of superstition.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#402 Jun 21, 2013
rio wrote:
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I can return you the compliment: an atheist is insane.
And that?

Proves beyond a doubt, you are just another hate-filled god-botherer.

It matters not which of the **millions** of silly and mythical gods you try to sell to people.

But atheists are not buying your shyt.

Faith in gods is insane-- literally, and practically, insane.

So naturally, you would think anyone who sees the shitstorm you are drinking for what it is, is not the same as YOU.

Amusing, really.

And a little sad-- you are literally a wasted life.

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