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Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

There are 394 comments on the Mail on Sunday story from Dec 11, 2012, titled Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist. In it, Mail on Sunday reports that:

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Mail on Sunday.

Thinking

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#388 Jun 20, 2013
The similarly named siro applies a "one size fits all" approach to non-believers, yet expects others to understand why one manufactured sect of islam needs to be handled with a different set of kid gloves to another.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>What gets me is that he can't seem to differentiate between people discussing a subject frankly and 'attacking people'. He just assumes that any objection or criticism of religion or faith is prejudice. He has no respect for history and (as if Russian communism was motivated by non-belief in gods). He can show clear prejudice against you and I but if we dare to point out that religion is based on 'good books' and superstition or that religion contributes to sectarianism then we're to blame.
He even blames me for trying to do as my parents wanted me to and keep them happy. Actually, it was just one parent who was religious. As is often the case, the whole family had to pretend to believe to 'keep the peace', or the religionists couldn't cope with the fact we were all non-believers. No matter how crazy it gets, religionists and people of faith never seem to see it.
I understand the reaction. Religionists and people of faith have yet to get used to seeing religion openly challenged.
JMHO
Curious

Brooklyn, NY

#389 Jun 20, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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you're a coward who insults atheists because you know that you cannot argue against them.
What is the basis of your atheism? How did you come to the conclusion that there isn't a God?
rio

London, UK

#390 Jun 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Your Jesus,(were he real) would say to you: "Satan, get thee behind me! I do not know you."
And who told you that I believe in Jesus? I don't!

I acknowledge him as the historical figure; the leader of a religious sect in the middle east 20 centuries ago. Nothing more.

There is more to theism than abrahamic religions, don't you know?
rio

London, UK

#391 Jun 20, 2013
EdSed wrote:
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It is you who claimed atheists are intolerant of believers by nature.
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Most confessed atheists have adopted that position because of personal trauma in their childhood.

Or they had very forceful parents they want to rebel against, or they felt victimised in their religion (catholic boarding school, circuncision), or their religion didn't suit their lifestyle (being gay, or divorcing), or their aquired ideology (marxism, socialism), etc...

Very few atheists that I have met were in fact born in an atheist family. So atheism is to be seen as a rejection of family/country traditional values.

Having left their original/familial religion and adopted a new stance, most atheists wish to eradicate religion, which they see as obsolete and try to convince their peers of the rightness of their views. It's in fact proselystism in reverse!

That's why I say that atheists are intolerant.
rio

London, UK

#392 Jun 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
rio says all Atheists are intolerant of believers, yet I go out drinking with plenty of believers. No problems.

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I meant in a religious context, of course, in a philosophical discussion.
Invariably atheists accuse believers of any sorts, of superstition.
Amused

Oakham, MA

#393 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
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I meant in a religious context, of course, in a philosophical discussion.
Invariably atheists accuse believers of any sorts, of superstition.


What else would one call belief in the supernatural?

Definition of superstition from the Oxford Dictionary
noun

Excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings:
he dismissed the ghost stories as mere superstition

A widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event, or a practice based on such a belief:
she touched her locket for luck, a superstition she had had since childhood
Origin:

Middle English: from Old French, or from Latin superstitio(n-), from super-'over'+ stare 'to stand'(perhaps from the notion of “standing over” something in awe)

Sorry if you don't like the word, but it is what it is. If you believe in supernatural causation, whether that means a supernatural creator magicked everything into existence in 6 days, or that breaking a mirror will bring 7 years of bad luck, you are superstitious.
rio

London, UK

#394 Jun 20, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Sorry if you don't like the word, but it is what it is. If you believe in supernatural causation, whether that means a supernatural creator magicked everything into existence in 6 days,
To believe in supernatural, or to deny it: in both case it's a leap of faith.
You just cannot prove anything, one way of the other.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#395 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
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And who told you that I believe in Jesus? I don't!
I acknowledge him as the historical figure; the leader of a religious sect in the middle east 20 centuries ago. Nothing more.
There is more to theism than abrahamic religions, don't you know?
I just assumed you were one of those Jesus-worshipping azzholes.

You certainly have all the insane behaviors of one....

... no matter. A theist is still insane, regardless of which imaginary sky-fairy he pretends is "real"...
rio

London, UK

#396 Jun 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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A theist is still insane,
I can return you the compliment: an atheist is insane.

Better people than you and me have been debating the subject for centuries, and nobody can claim to have convinced the other side.

Faith or lack of, is just something personal and at the core of an individual. There is no need to make judgement on anyone who holds one position or the other. I certainly won't, and I cannot understand why you so savagely dismiss people of another opinion.

Just an unverified stat I read the other say; most Nobel Prize recipient believe in some form of deity. I suppose they are all insane and barking mad for you? Well...

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#397 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
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Most confessed atheists have adopted that position because of personal trauma in their childhood.
Nope.
Don’t know where you get that from.
rio wrote:
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Or they had very forceful parents they want to rebel against, or they felt victimised in their religion (catholic boarding school, circuncision), or their religion didn't suit their lifestyle (being gay, or divorcing), or their aquired ideology (marxism, socialism), etc...
Boy you are tiring to cover your bases.
How about we just read the book of religion for what it is.
rio wrote:
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Very few atheists that I have met were in fact born in an atheist family. So atheism is to be seen as a rejection of family/country traditional values.
You know very few atheists do you? Atheist become by their own device some through education others through religion, and still others by never sub coming to indoctrination.
rio wrote:
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Having left their original/familial religion and adopted a new stance, most atheists wish to eradicate religion, which they see as obsolete and try to convince their peers of the rightness of their views. It's in fact proselystism in reverse!.
No just stating the truth.
rio wrote:
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That's why I say that atheists are intolerant.
At least you are just as intolerant.
test

Ashburn, VA

#398 Jun 20, 2013
Test
Thinking

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#400 Jun 21, 2013
Sources?

The science prizes are of most interest to me, the rest is just bum fluff.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/ar...

I think your sources will show modern science prize recipients are far less likely to be believers.
rio wrote:
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I can return you the compliment: an atheist is insane.
Better people than you and me have been debating the subject for centuries, and nobody can claim to have convinced the other side.
Faith or lack of, is just something personal and at the core of an individual. There is no need to make judgement on anyone who holds one position or the other. I certainly won't, and I cannot understand why you so savagely dismiss people of another opinion.
Just an unverified stat I read the other say; most Nobel Prize recipient believe in some form of deity. I suppose they are all insane and barking mad for you? Well...
Thinking

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#401 Jun 21, 2013
I don't care what someone religious believes in if they're tolerant.

But if you inform a muslim that mohammed thighed a very young girl, they often become mental, sometimes even violent.

That's why it is impossible to respect islam.
rio wrote:
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I meant in a religious context, of course, in a philosophical discussion.
Invariably atheists accuse believers of any sorts, of superstition.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#402 Jun 21, 2013
rio wrote:
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I can return you the compliment: an atheist is insane.
And that?

Proves beyond a doubt, you are just another hate-filled god-botherer.

It matters not which of the **millions** of silly and mythical gods you try to sell to people.

But atheists are not buying your shyt.

Faith in gods is insane-- literally, and practically, insane.

So naturally, you would think anyone who sees the shitstorm you are drinking for what it is, is not the same as YOU.

Amusing, really.

And a little sad-- you are literally a wasted life.
rio

Bromley, UK

#403 Jun 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Proves beyond a doubt, you are just another hate-filled god-botherer.
Proves beyond a doubt, you are just another hate-filled god-denier.

I too can play that game!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#404 Jun 21, 2013
rio wrote:
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Proves beyond a doubt, you are just another hate-filled god-denier.
I too can play that game!
Your Jesus,(were he real) would say to you: "Satan, get thee behind me! I do not know you."
rio

Bromley, UK

#405 Jun 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Your Jesus,(were he real) would say to you: "Satan, get thee behind me! I do not know you."
Who talks about Jesus? You!

You are obsessed by him!

Anyway, you just proved my point that fanatic atheists are just as despicable as fanatic religionists.

There is not much to choose between you and the Taliban: you are just as intolerant.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#406 Jun 21, 2013
rio wrote:
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Who talks about Jesus? You!
You are obsessed by him!
Anyway, you just proved my point that fanatic atheists are just as despicable as fanatic religionists.
There is not much to choose between you and the Taliban: you are just as intolerant.
Your Jesus,(were he real) would say to you: "Satan, get thee behind me! I do not know you."

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#407 Jul 1, 2013
I can read wrote:
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Yeah. If you didn't have an appartheid style discrimination of atheists, all those evangelists couldn't exploit the stupid as easily and they'd have to work for a living.
Much better to suggest to people that they'll live in paradise for all eternity if only they'd help buy the preacher a new sportscar.
Did you hear about the preacher that has promised his flock that they will receive a new vehicle of their choice if they ony give a MINIMUM of $52 each so that he can buy new rotor blades for his helicopter? The flock will get theirs in either 52 days or 52 weeks, presumably from "God"...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#408 Jul 1, 2013
rio wrote:
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Then you are completely deluded.
Marxism, which an atheist ideology, made its mark in the 20th century by the incredible number of people it persecuted, and executed for their beliefs.
Look no further than the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Cambodia under Pol Pot, North Korea until now: all atheist states.
Probably that the largest number of people executed were reached in atheist states: up to 60 millions under Stalin, at least 60 millions under Mao, up to 5 millions under Pol Pot, etc... All that in the name of eradicating religions at the great altar of atheism!
The Middle Age religious wars that engulfed Europe never matched those numbers, and the spread of Islam after the 8th century neither did!
Let's face it; the biggest killers have been those inspired by atheism! Care to contradict that now?
Neither Christianity nor Islam had the technology that the 20th century totalitarian regimes had. If they had, those numbers would have been reversed. Then too, you need to remember that those regimes did not kill just for practicing the wrong brand of faith, or even over trivial differences within the same faith, but to root out and destroy enemies of the state. Both xians and muslims have killed merely for trivial differences of doctrine.

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