Census data reveal there are 4million...

Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

There are 400 comments on the Mail on Sunday story from Dec 11, 2012, titled Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist. In it, Mail on Sunday reports that:

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

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dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#361 Jun 19, 2013
people are divisive whether religiously or any other ly. It's called human nature. Culture is more divisive than religion. You can have tow different groups of people with the same religious basis but different culturally and they will be at odds with each other. China and Viet Nam have been fighting for centuries no matter what religion because the Vietnamese didn't want the Chinese pushing Chinese culture on them. That is the reason for divisiveness of Northern bac ki Vietnamese and southern nam ki Vietnamese, they are different culturally, the northern bac ki being more Chinese culturally while the southern nam ki are more Cham/Khmer culturally. That is the difference between the northerner and southerner in the United States, their cultures are different. Being this is a UK topix, that is the reason of the animosity between Ireland and Britain. The cultures are different, having more to do with the differences than even Catholicism and Protestanism. The Catholicism of the Irish is much different than Catholicism of say Italy or Poland. Insert any tribes, peoples or nations you want and it's the same. This is the reason for all the differences in the Islamic world. Naturally the muslims of Pakistan would be different than Egypt because the cultures are different. I could go on and on with comparisons but I'm sure you get the idea and those who agree agree and those who don't don't. Have a good day, pleasant evening, wonderful night and better tomorrow wherever you are.
Amused

Oakham, MA

#362 Jun 19, 2013
dunadd wrote:
people are divisive whether religiously or any other ly. It's called human nature. Culture is more divisive than religion. You can have tow different groups of people with the same religious basis but different culturally and they will be at odds with each other. China and Viet Nam have been fighting for centuries no matter what religion because the Vietnamese didn't want the Chinese pushing Chinese culture on them. That is the reason for divisiveness of Northern bac ki Vietnamese and southern nam ki Vietnamese, they are different culturally, the northern bac ki being more Chinese culturally while the southern nam ki are more Cham/Khmer culturally. That is the difference between the northerner and southerner in the United States, their cultures are different. Being this is a UK topix, that is the reason of the animosity between Ireland and Britain. The cultures are different, having more to do with the differences than even Catholicism and Protestanism. The Catholicism of the Irish is much different than Catholicism of say Italy or Poland. Insert any tribes, peoples or nations you want and it's the same. This is the reason for all the differences in the Islamic world. Naturally the muslims of Pakistan would be different than Egypt because the cultures are different. I could go on and on with comparisons but I'm sure you get the idea and those who agree agree and those who don't don't. Have a good day, pleasant evening, wonderful night and better tomorrow wherever you are.
Anti Chinese prejudice is the anti-semitism of Asia. There are ethnic Chinese enclaves throughout Asia, and many ethnic Chinese are professionals or successful business people. Everywhere I've traveled in SE Asia, the non-Chinese locals have with varying degrees of overtness, expressed dislike for the ethnic Chinese population.
rio

London, UK

#363 Jun 19, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You are wrong.
Any fundamentalist ideology, religious or otherwise, is wrong.
<quoted text>
Atheism is just one of those: a very dangerous fundamentalist ideology that makes no provision for the tolerance of believers.

Atheists in power are no better than the Spanish Inquisition, as history has proven.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#364 Jun 19, 2013
dunadd wrote:
people are divisive whether religiously or any other ly. It's called human nature....
I'm not suggesting that religion is the only division amongst mankind. Just one of the most damaging and easily disposed of. There's no downside to keeping religion discrete from science, politics, education, morality and the law.

My family is from Eire and I feel fairly sure that religion plays a negative role in the sectarianism and tribalism in NI. That is the least of the harm religion does.(There is little in dispute between Britain and Ireland over NI. The real problem is in NI between peaceful nationalists and unionists on the one side and the men of violence who would ruin the lives of all).

If children there hadn't been separated into RC and state schools,(according to their parents religious delusions as I see it) all violence might have been avoided. A United Ireland or union with the UK is a political question and requires a democratic, political resolution by the people of NI alone. That is beyond this topic, but one lesson to draw that is relevant - children should be educated together and not segregated according to their parents religion or lack of any.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#365 Jun 19, 2013
rio wrote:
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Atheism is just one of those: a very dangerous fundamentalist ideology that makes no provision for the tolerance of believers.
Atheists in power are no better than the Spanish Inquisition, as history has proven.
Nonbelievers cannot become superstitious.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist

Your posts only demonstrate the problems religions cause.
rio

London, UK

#366 Jun 19, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Nonbelievers cannot become superstitious.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
Your posts only demonstrate the problems religions cause.
Believers of different faith often manage to cohabit, but atheists are by nature intolerant of believers.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#367 Jun 19, 2013
rio wrote:
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Believers of different faith often manage to cohabit,
Like Sunni and Shia; or Zionist and Islamist; Iraq; or Buddhists and Muslims in Myanmar - they often don't. Religious divisions haven't helped at home with our Muslim schools which has not only resulted in tensions but whole classes of school leavers convinced of ID/Creationism and dismissive of science supporting evolution.
rio wrote:
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but atheists are by nature intolerant of believers.
People like me are intolerant 'by nature'?

How dare you say such a thing. Religionists segregated me into the "RC" school; dragged me to church until I was 16 and claimed I was the one causing the trouble when I objected,(so I patiently went); resented any criticism of religion and told me I was wrong to 'question my faith'. I have to put up with unelected clerics in our upper house and on-going segregation of children... the list of complaints is long. I put up with all of this an I am the one who is intolerant? If I make no objections at all religionists on Topix talk as if I am complicit in all that.

I pretended to believe for years to 'keep the peace' but religionists like you never stop pushing and blaming me and now you have the cheek to suggest I am intolerant 'by nature'. Then you talk as if I am the intolerant one and religionists display no prejudice or intolerance of nonbelievers.

Nobody is better for being religious and non-believers aren't less moral or intolerant than religionists.
rio

London, UK

#368 Jun 19, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Like Sunni and Shia; or Zionist and Islamist; Iraq; or Buddhists and Muslims in Myanmar - they often don't. Religious divisions haven't helped at home with our Muslim schools which has not only resulted in tensions but whole classes of school leavers convinced of ID/Creationism and dismissive of science supporting evolution.
Why do you focus on the divisions in Islam only? That's quite revealing.
Yes, religions of many sorts tend to cohabit quite well in most Western countries, in South America, in most of the Far East as well.

Why do you only mention differences in troubled regions, where it's mostly a political struggle, and not a religious one.
rio

London, UK

#369 Jun 19, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>People like me are intolerant 'by nature'?
How dare you say such a thing. Religionists segregated me into the "RC" school; dragged me to church until I was 16 and claimed I was the one causing the trouble when I objected,(so I patiently went); resented any criticism of religion and told me I was wrong to 'question my faith'. I have to put up with unelected clerics in our upper house and on-going segregation of children... the list of complaints is long. I put up with all of this an I am the one who is intolerant? If I make no objections at all religionists on Topix talk as if I am complicit in all that.
I pretended to believe for years to 'keep the peace' but religionists like you never stop pushing and blaming me and now you have the cheek to suggest I am intolerant 'by nature'. Then you talk as if I am the intolerant one and religionists display no prejudice or intolerance of nonbelievers.
Nobody is better for being religious and non-believers aren't less moral or intolerant than religionists.
You should take the complaints about your upbringing to your parents, and not blame religions for it. Did you raise the issue with your parents?

I was raised as a RC myself, and I left the Church when I became adult: I just didn't accept the dogma and the hierarchy. I took the issue with my parents, but I didn't became an religion-hater for that! My sibblings were quite happy to stay catholics. Good for them.
My experience taught me to be tolerant of other people's beliefs, or lack of. I have practiced that in my family; one of my daughters is Buddhist, the other turned pagan, my sons are atheist and my present wife is Muslim, me? I believe in God and afterlife, but don't belong to any religion. We get on well, and we don't have pointless arguments about beliefs.
It's when someone forces another, or forbids another that things go wrong.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#370 Jun 19, 2013
rio wrote:
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Yes, purely because of atheism.
You are so full of shyt, your eyes are brown... and everything you write smells of excrement...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#371 Jun 19, 2013
Hemo from Ashburn wrote:
Godless scum will rot this country from the inside. The cancer that deteriorates from this body is a curse from God.
Eventually we will have to bring them back by force if necessary.
And your pathetic little godling cannot muster up ONE SINGLE THING to make all the "nasty" atheists go away....!

That is HILARIOUS.

Atheists are MORE POWERFUL than your whining little godling...
rio

London, UK

#372 Jun 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so full of shyt, your eyes are brown... and everything you write smells of excrement...
... and you are not the sharpest tool in the shed, as your posts prove.

You are just an atheist fanatic, just a unpleasant as an religionist fanatics. In fact, you deserve each others, I think.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#373 Jun 19, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
... and you are not the sharpest tool in the shed, as your posts prove.
You are just an atheist fanatic, just a unpleasant as an religionist fanatics. In fact, you deserve each others, I think.
Your Jesus,(were he real) would say to you: "Satan, get thee behind me! I do not know you."
Thinking

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#374 Jun 19, 2013
My mum grew up in Liverpool and was taught this charming poem:

"Two little proddy dogs sitting by a well.
Up came the divil, and dragged them down to hell" [sic]
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not suggesting that religion is the only division amongst mankind. Just one of the most damaging and easily disposed of. There's no downside to keeping religion discrete from science, politics, education, morality and the law.
My family is from Eire and I feel fairly sure that religion plays a negative role in the sectarianism and tribalism in NI. That is the least of the harm religion does.(There is little in dispute between Britain and Ireland over NI. The real problem is in NI between peaceful nationalists and unionists on the one side and the men of violence who would ruin the lives of all).
If children there hadn't been separated into RC and state schools,(according to their parents religious delusions as I see it) all violence might have been avoided. A United Ireland or union with the UK is a political question and requires a democratic, political resolution by the people of NI alone. That is beyond this topic, but one lesson to draw that is relevant - children should be educated together and not segregated according to their parents religion or lack of any.
Thinking

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#375 Jun 19, 2013
allahu akbar BANG!

allahu akbar sound of gun fire

Keep lying to yourself, rio.
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
Believers of different faith often manage to cohabit, but atheists are by nature intolerant of believers.
colin

UK

#376 Jun 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>My mum grew up in Liverpool and was taught this charming poem:

"Two little proddy dogs sitting by a well.
Up came the divil, and dragged them down to hell" [sic]
If that's a poem, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star must be a homosexual love ballad?

It truly shows your mum grew up anywhere but London.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#377 Jun 20, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
... and you are not the sharpest tool in the shed, as your posts prove.
You are just an atheist fanatic, just a unpleasant as an religionist fanatics. In fact, you deserve each others, I think.
you're a coward who insults atheists because you know that you cannot argue against them.
Thinking

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#378 Jun 20, 2013
Alright colin, how are you then?

colin wrote:
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If that's a poem, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star must be a homosexual love ballad?
It truly shows your mum grew up anywhere but London.
colin

UK

#379 Jun 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Alright colin, how are you then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wSNpx2Htu-cXX
Your poor little brain couldn't think of anything to say, so we have to put it in a nice little playback.

Typical losers style.
goitre

UK

#380 Jun 20, 2013
Colin was brought up on hampstead heath , at the age of 12 he left his daddys and ttravelled to Lambeth in search of chocolate willys

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