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Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

There are 394 comments on the Mail on Sunday story from Dec 11, 2012, titled Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist. In it, Mail on Sunday reports that:

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

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ToxicMist

Peterborough, UK

#304 Jun 17, 2013
Because people would like arguing to stop, maybe?

And Russia has the highest number of Christians. Measuring at 90%.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#305 Jun 17, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't allow for a number of facts.
Many 'atheists' prefer to call ourselves agnostics nowadays to avoid the senseless and pointless discussion about agnosticism versus atheism.
Most people I know (even 'agnostics') seem to be about 6.9ers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_thei...
Over 6 anyway.
And some religions might be gaining ground in China where oppression has decreased, or in Africa where Christian money seems to be sent to persuade the already superstitious ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/us-r...
There are plenty of statistics that indicate that Christianity is declining in developed countries and well-educated populations. I have posted them before but urge people to look for themselves. One can prove anything with statistics but one needs to look at what they really illustrate. I don't think they prove increasing superstition in developed countries.
Religion = superstition and the truth will out.
Just don't try to equate religion with Christianity. Xianity is only one subset of religion.

While I enjoy spending time pointing out the falsity of christianity, I myself would be a 1.01 on that scale...

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#306 Jun 17, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't allow for a number of facts.

Many 'atheists' prefer to call ourselves agnostics nowadays to avoid the senseless and pointless discussion about agnosticism versus atheism.

Most people I know (even 'agnostics') seem to be about 6.9ers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_thei...
Over 6 anyway.

And some religions might be gaining ground in China where oppression has decreased, or in Africa where Christian money seems to be sent to persuade the already superstitious ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/us-r...

There are plenty of statistics that indicate that Christianity is declining in developed countries and well-educated populations. I have posted them before but urge people to look for themselves. One can prove anything with statistics but one needs to look at what they really illustrate. I don't think they prove increasing superstition in developed countries.

Religion = superstition and the truth will out.
Posted earlier by derek4

Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

Continued:

Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]
rio

London, UK

#307 Jun 17, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>
There are plenty of statistics that indicate that Christianity is declining in developed countries and well-educated populations.
Like in the USA, for example?

Non-religious people are hardly accepted there!

In fact, any religion is prefered rather than atheism which is highly suspicious in some parts of the US.

How many confessed atheists get anywhere in business, politics in the States?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#308 Jun 17, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>Like in the USA, for example?

Non-religious people are hardly accepted there!

In fact, any religion is prefered rather than atheism which is highly suspicious in some parts of the US.

How many confessed atheists get anywhere in business, politics in the States?
With good reason.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#309 Jun 17, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>Like in the USA, for example?

Non-religious people are hardly accepted there!

In fact, any religion is prefered rather than atheism which is highly suspicious in some parts of the US.

How many confessed atheists get anywhere in business, politics in the States?
Posted earlier by derek4

Last words of famous atheists:

Caesar Borgia: "While I lived, I provided for everything but death; now I must die, and am unprepared to die."

Thomas Hobbs political philosopher "I say again, if I had the whole world at my disposal, I would give it to live one day. I am about to take a leap into the dark."

Thomas Payne the leading atheistic writer in American colonies: "Stay with me, for God's sake; I cannot bear to be left alone , O Lord, help me! O God, what have I done to suffer so much? What will become of me hereafter? "I would give worlds if I had them, that The Age of Reason had never been published. 0 Lord, help me! Christ, help me!…No, don't leave; stay with me! Send even a child to stay with me; for I am on the edge of Hell here alone. If ever the Devil had an agent, I have been that one."

Sir Thomas Scott, Chancellor of England "Until this moment I thought there was neither a God nor a hell. Now I know and feel that there are both, and I am doomed to perdition by the just judgment of the Almighty."

David Hume, atheist philosopher famous for his philosophy of empiricism and skepticism of religion, he cried loud on his death bed "I am in flames!" It is said his "desperation was a horrible scene".

Napoleon Bonaparte, the French emperor, and who, like Adolf Hitler, brought death to millions to satisfy his greedy, power-mad, selfish ambitions for world conquest: "I die before my time, and my body will be given back to the earth. Such is the fate of him who has been called the great Napoleon. What an abyss between my deep misery and the eternal kingdom of Christ!”

Sir Francis Newport, the head of an English Atheist club to those gathered around his deathbed: "You need not tell me there is no God for I know there is one, and that I am in His presence! You need not tell me there is no hell. I feel myself already slipping. Wretches, cease your idle talk about there being hope for me! I know I am lost forever! Oh, that fire! Oh, the insufferable pangs of hell!…Oh, that I could lie for a thousand years upon the fire that is never quenched, to purchase the favor of God and be united to Him again. But it is a fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years will bring me no nearer the end of my torments than one poor hour. Oh, eternity, eternity forever and forever!, Oh, the insufferable pangs of Hell!”
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#310 Jun 17, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
With good reason.
Yeah. If you didn't have an appartheid style discrimination of atheists, all those evangelists couldn't exploit the stupid as easily and they'd have to work for a living.

Much better to suggest to people that they'll live in paradise for all eternity if only they'd help buy the preacher a new sportscar.
rio

London, UK

#311 Jun 17, 2013
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah. If you didn't have an appartheid style discrimination of atheists, all those evangelists couldn't exploit the stupid as easily and they'd have to work for a living.
Much better to suggest to people that they'll live in paradise for all eternity if only they'd help buy the preacher a new sportscar.
"Ronan" upsets you again? LOL
Thinking

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#312 Jun 18, 2013
Count me in the 6.9ers group.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't allow for a number of facts.
Many 'atheists' prefer to call ourselves agnostics nowadays to avoid the senseless and pointless discussion about agnosticism versus atheism.
Most people I know (even 'agnostics') seem to be about 6.9ers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_thei...
Over 6 anyway.
And some religions might be gaining ground in China where oppression has decreased, or in Africa where Christian money seems to be sent to persuade the already superstitious ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/us-r...
There are plenty of statistics that indicate that Christianity is declining in developed countries and well-educated populations. I have posted them before but urge people to look for themselves. One can prove anything with statistics but one needs to look at what they really illustrate. I don't think they prove increasing superstition in developed countries.
Religion = superstition and the truth will out.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#313 Jun 18, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
Like in the USA, for example?
Non-religious people are hardly accepted there!
In fact, any religion is prefered rather than atheism which is highly suspicious in some parts of the US.
How many confessed atheists get anywhere in business, politics in the States?
Shame on the USA. Still, the USAmericans have overcome prejudice against women, blacks and gays. Lets hope they overcome absurd prejudices against non-believers.

Perhaps Rio and Tzar would like there to be such bigotry here too?....
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.h...
"...No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.." (Bush41, Snr).

A nation divided between believers and non-believers as well as religious divisions; unelected clerics in our "Lords"; Islamism; a PM who has time for 'faith meetings' and debates on gay marriage but no time for the reform of the House of Lords promised in the manifesto; ID/creationism in our schools where our children are segregated according to their parents religious delusions; etc. That offers no future for a UK. Some religionists would keep us here if they could.

Jonny Eve sings it like it is....
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
(a typical good-humoured and tolerant atheist).

Religion/atheism is a waste of time and sensible people should reject such rubbish. Atheism exists simply because religion does. Simply put: there are no gods or pixies.

Religion = superstition
And one cannot undermine one superstition (e.g Islam or witchcraft) while trying to sustain another (e.g Christianity).

http://www.whychurch.org.uk/trends.php

http://humanism.org.uk/2013/05/07/church-stat...

The Humanist Society Scotland now conduct more marriages than the RC Church and expect to surpass the number of Church of Scotland marriages before very long.

People should never hesitate to speak up for a secular country. It's madness to want a religious one.
JMHO
rio

London, UK

#314 Jun 18, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>
People should never hesitate to speak up for a secular country. It's madness to want a religious one.
JMHO
I agree with that, but that doesn't mean intolerance for those of a religious disposition though.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#315 Jun 18, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't allow for a number of facts.

Many 'atheists' prefer to call ourselves agnostics nowadays to avoid the senseless and pointless discussion about agnosticism versus atheism.

Most people I know (even 'agnostics') seem to be about 6.9ers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_thei...
Over 6 anyway.

And some religions might be gaining ground in China where oppression has decreased, or in Africa where Christian money seems to be sent to persuade the already superstitious ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/us-r...

There are plenty of statistics that indicate that Christianity is declining in developed countries and well-educated populations. I have posted them before but urge people to look for themselves. One can prove anything with statistics but one needs to look at what they really illustrate. I don't think they prove increasing superstition in developed countries.

Religion = superstition and the truth will out.
Oh but it does! Go read the full articles

Still no more atheist for your clan.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#316 Jun 18, 2013
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah. If you didn't have an appartheid style discrimination of atheists, all those evangelists couldn't exploit the stupid as easily and they'd have to work for a living.

Much better to suggest to people that they'll live in paradise for all eternity if only they'd help buy the preacher a new sportscar.
Close but NOPE!

Dolt alert.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#317 Jun 18, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Shame on the USA. Still, the USAmericans have overcome prejudice against women, blacks and gays. Lets hope they overcome absurd prejudices against non-believers.

Perhaps Rio and Tzar would like there to be such bigotry here too?....
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.h...
"...No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.." (Bush41, Snr).

A nation divided between believers and non-believers as well as religious divisions; unelected clerics in our "Lords"; Islamism; a PM who has time for 'faith meetings' and debates on gay marriage but no time for the reform of the House of Lords promised in the manifesto; ID/creationism in our schools where our children are segregated according to their parents religious delusions; etc. That offers no future for a UK. Some religionists would keep us here if they could.

Jonny Eve sings it like it is....
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
(a typical good-humoured and tolerant atheist).

Religion/atheism is a waste of time and sensible people should reject such rubbish. Atheism exists simply because religion does. Simply put: there are no gods or pixies.

Religion = superstition
And one cannot undermine one superstition (e.g Islam or witchcraft) while trying to sustain another (e.g Christianity).

http://www.whychurch.org.uk/trends.php

http://humanism.org.uk/2013/05/07/church-stat...

The Humanist Society Scotland now conduct more marriages than the RC Church and expect to surpass the number of Church of Scotland marriages before very long.

People should never hesitate to speak up for a secular country. It's madness to want a religious one.
JMHO
Posted earlier by derek4.

LMAO – didn't know there were 7 states that don't allow atheists to hold public office.(I pays to spend time most of my time researching these facts, and less time reading atheist responses, lol.)

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/184232/these-...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#318 Jun 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Posted earlier by derek4.
LMAO – didn't know there were 7 states that don't allow atheists to hold public office.(I pays to spend time most of my time researching these facts, and less time reading atheist responses, lol.)
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/184232/these-...
Replied to and debunked.
rio

London, UK

#319 Jun 18, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Shame on the USA. Still, the USAmericans have overcome prejudice against women, blacks and gays. Lets hope they overcome absurd prejudices against non-believers.

Religion/atheism is a waste of time and sensible people should reject such rubbish. Atheism exists simply because religion does. Simply put: there are no gods or pixies.
Religion = superstition
So, you condemn the prejudice against atheism, but in the same breath you expose your own prejudice against religion!

A double whammy!

Saying "Religion = superstition" is just as offensive and intolerant than saying "Atheism = Evil".

The clue to peaceful cohabitation is surely tolerance on both sides, and not confrontation.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#320 Jun 18, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you condemn the prejudice against atheism,
You confuse atheism with atheists.
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
but in the same breath you expose your own prejudice against religion!
A double whammy!...
I'm not prejudiced against religion. You don't know what you're talking about Rio.

I am simply pointing out that religion is outdated superstition and the harm it does, that's all.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#321 Jun 18, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
...The clue to peaceful cohabitation is surely tolerance on both sides, and not confrontation.
It's time you practiced what you preach.
Irish2

Portmarnock, Ireland

#322 Jun 18, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>You confuse atheism with atheists.
<quoted text>I'm not prejudiced against religion. You don't know what you're talking about Rio.
I am simply pointing out that religion is outdated superstition and the harm it does, that's all.
My question for you would be,what right do you have to make such a call about other peoples faiths and beliefs?
None! you are entitled to your opinion.But sorry to tell you Religion and peoples faith will long out live you and every one else.Until human race is gone religion will be practiced and believed in.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#323 Jun 18, 2013
Irish2 wrote:
<quoted text>
My question for you would be,what right do you have to make such a call about other peoples faiths and beliefs?
You answer your own question. I'm entitled to voice my opinion, not "none!"
Irish2 wrote:
<quoted text>
None! you are entitled to your opinion.But sorry to tell you Religion and peoples faith will long out live you and every one else.Until human race is gone religion will be practiced and believed in.
Then you have nothing to worry about. Don't get your knickers in a twist.

I suspect that what really bothers you is that what I say is essentially correct.

Religion = superstition

That is your problem my friend, not mine. I'm uninterested in religion/atheism per se. I'm unhappy at the problems religion causes that I've listed above.

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