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Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

There are 394 comments on the Mail on Sunday story from Dec 11, 2012, titled Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist. In it, Mail on Sunday reports that:

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Mail on Sunday.

Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#280 Dec 14, 2012
Looks like Australian records are protected, as I guess you expected.

www.privacy.gov.au/faq/individuals/2145

So, hardly a shock but it's John that's the broken link in the chain.
The suicide victim was a christian.
John's not showing her any compassion or solidarity.
I can read wrote:
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Medical records aren't private information in oz?
Wow. What a backwards country.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#281 Dec 14, 2012
atheist wrote:
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Oh yeah. Hitler. You are so clever.
Good one, now tell us all what it says on e front of every nazi belt.

Hint: it says in god we trust.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#282 Dec 14, 2012
John wrote:
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The world of antiquity was awash with slavery just as the modern world is awash with a ruthless corporate capitalism.
We have slaves in all but name today but they are outsourced to the third world. The reason that shirt you are wearing cost only a few dollars at the store is because it was made by some slave who works for 50 cents an hour and is often a child bonded to a master.
I don't like this and probably you don't like this, but we will buy the shirts anyway because the "free trade" con has driven local manufacturers with free properly paid workers out of business and we need to be dressed. We are opposed to this and yet practicality means we will for the time being live with this.
The bible's tone is very anti-slavery and the laws of the Old Testament are generally concerned with preventing the abuse of slaves.
The New Testament tells the faithful to treat slaves as brothers.
The bible is not pro slavery.
Well, you are free to make up anything you want, and pretend that the Bible supports it, but the facts remain that the Bible NEVER came out against slavery. In fact, by specifying that slaves are not to be mistreated, it is specifically PRO-slavery. Again, the slavery that is promoted by the Bible is very different from the institution of slavery in the American South, but it is still slavery.

Oh, and I check the labels of the clothes that I buy. I spend a little more, but I don't buy the products of slave labor.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#283 Dec 14, 2012
patsy_91 wrote:
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The thing with the bible and why some Xtian churches didn't want just any idiot reading it was due to literacy. Your quote and your misunderstanding being a good example.
Jesus(whether a fictional character or not), with a little help of St Paul, as well as washing away the cultural aspect of Judaism merely added the Golden rule that wasn't expicit in the OT, and asked us to love our enemies. Without these two elements, the basis of the faith, one is a follower in name only - a box ticker.
The worst thing reading this thread is that I like to think of Americans as fundamentalist buffoons, due to our media it seems. Yet the two Americans who have contributed appear to be the only well versed, literate and tolerant people writing here. The rest of you are as naive as "little children". You should be glad that they suffer your ignorance.
Jesus didn't invent that. Loving one's neighbor IS part of the Bible, and the "Golden Rule" is a natural commentary on that.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#284 Dec 14, 2012
atheist wrote:
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Oh yeah. Hitler. You are so clever.
Hitler was a Christian. Not a very good one, he obviously missed a couple of lessons, but a Christian none the less.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#285 Dec 14, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Good one, now tell us all what it says on e front of every nazi belt.
Hint: it says in god we trust.
Um, I thought that it was "Gott mit us"...

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#287 Dec 14, 2012
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Surely weight control is more complex than that? I think I'll leave such assessments (let alone judgements) to the experts in physiology and biology. Your assumption seems to be counter-intuitive to me but intuitive to many. You aren't alone in it and I quite understand that viewpoint. I keep an open mind about the question of whether obesity and morbid obesity can invariably be attributed to lack of dietary discipline. From what I have read, it isn't invariably controllable even by experts. I just try to read what researchers have to say. Anyway, always good to read a point of view.
Thanks for the reply, but I'm disappointed in that I thought you'd offer something more scientific and a link perhaps. Still, see you around.(I'm too busy for Topix these days:-)
The complications come on the caloric output side of the equation. Metabolism, which determines the rate at which calories are use when a person is at rest, plays a huge role. Some drugs increase metabolic rates, but the side effects often make them too risky. Muscles use calories even at rest, so increasing muscle mass is a useful element in reducing fat mass. Since muscle is more dense than fat, the net loss of weight is less than with fat reduction alone, but it tends to be more permanent as long as that muscle mass is retained with regular exercise.

The organ that uses the most calories for its size is the brain. It is to support our brains that we have to eat more than other animals of our basic proportions. But if our restless minds keep our bodies too inactive in favor of intellectual pursuits, the balance can shift so that we lose muscle mass and gain fat.

Enough Topix! Time to get up and DO something!
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#288 Dec 15, 2012
uns, to be pedantic.
Liam R wrote:
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Um, I thought that it was "Gott mit us"...

Since: Nov 12

London, UK

#290 Dec 16, 2012
Not having a belief is as bad as believing in lies
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#291 Dec 16, 2012
I believe that's bollocks.
dimitri93 wrote:
Not having a belief is as bad as believing in lies
Lincoln

United States

#293 Apr 20, 2013
Amused wrote:
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From my experience working with refugees (over 10 years)there is a happy medium. Many immigrants and refugees seek to blend their old culture with their new one. There's nothing wrong in esteeming old traditions and values while learning the customs of their new country. It certainly helps immigrant children maintain a sense of self esteem when they know and value their own culture and history. In general, it takes a couple of generations for immigrant families to really assimilate. Immigrants usually struggle to learn English. After age 15 or 16, the portions of the brain that process language become resistant to learning a new language. The kids normally grow up speaking both languages. The grand children usually understand only a couple of words of the old language.
There are benefits to that for both the immigrant and the country where they settled. The city where I live has a population over 30% foreign born. With a drive of less than 15 minutes, I can enjoy authentic Greek, Irish, Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, West African, Jamaican, Arabic or Puerto Rican food. I can buy unique products from around the world that will never be in Wal-Mart. There's a value in that. It is perhaps not as broadening as actually traveling abroad, but it is a lot better than living in a monolithic culture.
"From my experience working with refugees.." well constructed sentence.

Working with philosophical survivors .....

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#294 Apr 20, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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"From my experience working with refugees.." well constructed sentence.
Working with philosophical survivors .....
Ooh, careful there, laddie. You're throwing rocks in a glass house.
Know-It-All

United States

#295 Apr 29, 2013
Yes wrote:
"Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist"
Just as the Lord said would be in the end times. "The Great Falling Away." Hell Hath Enlarged Itself."
Praise the Lord!
But the important thing is that you'll be wasting your time waiting for the Jeebus Monster to fly in from the sky while us sane folks are actually having lives.
Lincoln LCN

United States

#297 Jun 16, 2013
Know-It-All wrote:
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But the important thing is that you'll be wasting your time...
Notice fewer atheists on topix than in the past.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#298 Jun 16, 2013
Khatru wrote:
Great news!

Christianity is definitely dying out.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...

A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.

Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.

Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.

According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...

According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."

Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population

While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...

Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:

The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%

persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,

In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:

In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! Atheism is in decline.
Lincoln LCN

United States

#299 Jun 16, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...
A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.
Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.
Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.
According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."
Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population
While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...
Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:
The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%
persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,
In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! Atheism is in decline.
The validity of an idea does NOT depend on the number of advocates of this idea...thankfully in many cases.

Peace

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#300 Jun 16, 2013
Lincoln LCN wrote:
<quoted text>The validity of an idea does NOT depend on the number of advocates of this idea...thankfully in many cases.

Peace
Yes I know but they hate it when you show them the tiny facts about their religion.
Wogs United

Ashburn, VA

#301 Jun 16, 2013
Christianity for UK.

The Anglican Church will over this wonderful land. Heretics, heathens and non-Christian will be --purged--.

Watch out you godless freaks!
rio

London, UK

#302 Jun 16, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...
A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.
Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.
Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.
According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."
Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population
While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...
Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:
The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%
persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,
In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! Atheism is in decline.
Hummm, that will put a serious dent in the claim that atheism is going to take over religions by mid 21st century.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#303 Jun 17, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...
A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.
Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.
Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.
According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."
Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population
While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...
Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:
The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%
persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,
In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! Atheism is in decline.
Doesn't allow for a number of facts.

Many 'atheists' prefer to call ourselves agnostics nowadays to avoid the senseless and pointless discussion about agnosticism versus atheism.

Most people I know (even 'agnostics') seem to be about 6.9ers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_thei...
Over 6 anyway.

And some religions might be gaining ground in China where oppression has decreased, or in Africa where Christian money seems to be sent to persuade the already superstitious ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/us-r...

There are plenty of statistics that indicate that Christianity is declining in developed countries and well-educated populations. I have posted them before but urge people to look for themselves. One can prove anything with statistics but one needs to look at what they really illustrate. I don't think they prove increasing superstition in developed countries.

Religion = superstition and the truth will out.

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