Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist

There are 20 comments on the Dec 11, 2012, Mail on Sunday story titled Census data reveal there are 4million fewer Christians and one in four is now an atheist. In it, Mail on Sunday reports that:

Data from last year's census today revealed the stunning decline of religion in the UK - with the number of Christians dropping by more than 4million.

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Thinking

Andover, UK

#233 Dec 13, 2012
GFY

These things all happened in countries where religion first started to lose its grip.
John wrote:
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Horseshit.
Let me point out the self evident.
The concepts of banning slavery, women's suffrage, and the tolerance of homosexuals, were all achieved first and only achieved in CHRISTIAN nations.
This is no coincidence.
They are all based on the unique Christian principal of do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Get a clue.
John

Brisbane, Australia

#234 Dec 13, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Your lot said "suffer little children", you sick bastards.
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Now your just being pathetic.
Christ said "Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God."
In other words, do not forbid the little children to come near me, for such as they is the Kingdom Of God.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#235 Dec 13, 2012
I came here via the christian forum because of the lies about Evolution. There's a lot of useless religious bastards eating cycles which could be better devoted to advancing knowledge.
NightSerf wrote:
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Doesn't matter much to me. "Proof," as if there was any such thing, is only useful to those who want to convert those who believe differently. How many here really want to do that? Most on both sides are simply defending what they do believe, which is just as useless--why should any of us bother? The whole debate fills the space between posts that are actually insightful and interesting with page after page of annoyance, boredom, and stupidity. But those few posts are worth the effort it takes to find them.
But I do offer this challenge to the other writers here: look over the last few posts you have written. Do they offer anything that's really worth reading or thinking about? Or do they contribute more to the constant and worthless bickering that fills these pages? Can you do better, offer more substance? With a little effort, can you substantiate the assertions that you offer without any support at all?
Read! Think! Write! Isn't that what we're really here for?
John

Brisbane, Australia

#236 Dec 13, 2012
mikev483 wrote:
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"the nurse spaz"
very classy john.it is strange to think there are total pricks like you out there,you most be very of taking being a prick to a new level.
well done.
Alright, she was a genius.
All geniuses kill themselves over nothing.
John

Brisbane, Australia

#237 Dec 13, 2012
Thinking wrote:
GFY
These things all happened in countries where religion first started to lose its grip.
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No, these all happened in countries where the tyrants had lost their grip and people started living in accordance with their own Christian ethics.
Face it, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is uniquely Christian.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#238 Dec 13, 2012
jesus killed himself and he was made out of godspunk.

Allegedly.
John wrote:
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Alright, she was a genius.
All geniuses kill themselves over nothing.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#239 Dec 13, 2012
No, it's Evolutionary. It predates christianity and will outlive it.
John wrote:
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No, these all happened in countries where the tyrants had lost their grip and people started living in accordance with their own Christian ethics.
Face it, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is uniquely Christian.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#240 Dec 13, 2012
jesus thinks you're very kind.
John wrote:
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Alright, she was a genius.
All geniuses kill themselves over nothing.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#241 Dec 13, 2012
So why do church cu*ts keep f**king with kids?
the real Blunt Mocker wrote:
<quoted text>you cretin, "suffer" means, in the English of the King James Bible, to "allow" . It means, "Let (or allow) little children to come to me"

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#242 Dec 13, 2012
John wrote:
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No, these all happened in countries where the tyrants had lost their grip and people started living in accordance with their own Christian ethics.
Face it, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is uniquely Christian.
No, it's not. Pretty much every religion has put forth some variation of that statement.
John

Brisbane, Australia

#243 Dec 13, 2012
Thinking wrote:
jesus killed himself and he was made out of godspunk.
Allegedly.
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Your posting this kind of crap is tantamount to your admitting defeat.
I win.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#244 Dec 13, 2012
John wrote:
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Horseshit.
Let me point out the self evident.
The concepts of banning slavery, women's suffrage, and the tolerance of homosexuals, were all achieved first and only achieved in CHRISTIAN nations.
This is no coincidence.
They are all based on the unique Christian principal of do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Get a clue.
They were achieved only after the spread of the concept of humanism, the idea that human being have an intrinsic value and are inherently capable of good. After all, the Bible supports the idea of slavery.
John

Brisbane, Australia

#245 Dec 13, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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No, it's not. Pretty much every religion has put forth some variation of that statement.
For example.
John

Brisbane, Australia

#246 Dec 13, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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They were achieved only after the spread of the concept of humanism, the idea that human being have an intrinsic value and are inherently capable of good. After all, the Bible supports the idea of slavery.
Does it just.
Show me.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#247 Dec 13, 2012
John wrote:
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For example.
"Do not do to others what is hateful to you", was said by Rabbi Hillel, the founder of the school of Pharisees that taught Jesus.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#248 Dec 13, 2012
John wrote:
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No, these all happened in countries where the tyrants had lost their grip and people started living in accordance with their own Christian ethics.
Face it, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is uniquely Christian.
The principle of reciprocity is found in all of the world's religions and ethical codes, both ancient and modern. Many are state in the negative, i.e., do not to others what you would not have them do to you. Others are positive--treat others as you would have them treat you. Some teachers, Christ among them, expected more of people, i.e, going the extra mile, turning the other cheek, giving the cloak to the one who steals your coat.

I raise proactivity to the level or principle:

The most noble of human attributes are kindness, empathy, and generosity. Embracing them brings happiness, rejecting them leads to misery. Why suffer needlessly by making others suffer as well?
Thinking

Andover, UK

#249 Dec 13, 2012
What?
John wrote:
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Your posting this kind of crap is tantamount to your admitting defeat.
I win.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#250 Dec 13, 2012
How's your Latin, fuckwit?
John wrote:
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The whole point of the corrupt church of the middle ages trying to keep the bible in Latin was to prevent the people finding out what Christ actually said.
Once the bible was translated into English the power of the clergy was broken, church was separated from state, and Christianity went back to being what it was before the state got hold of it.
Rejecting Christianity because of what some medieval government tyrants did is stupid.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#251 Dec 13, 2012
John wrote:
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Does it just.
Show me.
Exodus 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

Exodus 21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

Exodus 21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

<So it is okay to beat your slaves, just make sure that they don't die right away...>

Exodus 22:3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Leviticus 22:11 But if the priest buy any soul with his money...

Leviticus 25:39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee ; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
25:40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile.

Leviticus 25:44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
25:46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

And of course, there are numerous passages in the NT wherein slaves are told to obey their masters and stay as good little slaves, but it is the Torah verses that establish what is and is not a sin. Clearly, slavery is not a sin.
John

Brisbane, Australia

#252 Dec 13, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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"Do not do to others what is hateful to you", was said by Rabbi Hillel, the founder of the school of Pharisees that taught Jesus.
Hillel probably influenced Jesus.
The tradition that produced Christianity.
Still unique.

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