Atheists? HELL, would a Loving God send You there? No, YOU send yourselves there

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Tall Guy

Atlanta, GA

#1 Aug 18, 2013
Too many on here say there is no hell or why would God send someone to such a horrible place.
1. Could a loving God send people to hell?
The bible says what send you to hell is unbelief. Hell was made for unbelievers. Jesus died for your sins and the 1 unforgivable sin is rejecting God, so if you go through this life with a harden heart towards God, you are openly rejecting him.
2. Who Hell was made for?
Matthew 25:41
41 “Then he will say to those on his left,‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
So if you reject god and Jesus in this life you are following the Devil.
3. If there is no hell, Why would a loving God send sinners to heaven?
If you wanted nothing to do with God in this lifetime, why would you want anything to do with him in the next life. God is not going to put you in a place with nothing but believers if you wanted noting to do with him before as that would now make heaven Hell for the unbeliever, since they would be with people they wanted nothing to be like before.
4. If Hell is not real, Jesus was a liar.
If hell is not a real place, you pretty much cant trust anything Jesus said and why he wasted a time warning about it being a place you don't want to go.
Is Hell a certain amount of time , then you die or for all eternity? Only God knows that, but it is a real and a place that should be avoided!!!

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#2 Aug 18, 2013
Tall Guy wrote:
Too many on here say there is no hell or why would God send someone to such a horrible place.
1. Could a loving God send people to hell?
The bible says what send you to hell is unbelief. Hell was made for unbelievers. Jesus died for your sins and the 1 unforgivable sin is rejecting God, so if you go through this life with a harden heart towards God, you are openly rejecting him.
2. Who Hell was made for?
Matthew 25:41
41 “Then he will say to those on his left,‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
So if you reject god and Jesus in this life you are following the Devil.
3. If there is no hell, Why would a loving God send sinners to heaven?
If you wanted nothing to do with God in this lifetime, why would you want anything to do with him in the next life. God is not going to put you in a place with nothing but believers if you wanted noting to do with him before as that would now make heaven Hell for the unbeliever, since they would be with people they wanted nothing to be like before.
4. If Hell is not real, Jesus was a liar.
If hell is not a real place, you pretty much cant trust anything Jesus said and why he wasted a time warning about it being a place you don't want to go.
Is Hell a certain amount of time , then you die or for all eternity? Only God knows that, but it is a real and a place that should be avoided!!!
How silly. The reward that you anticipate for being such a feeb, has long ago been nullified. Buybull heaven was close enough to earth, that a tower's being built sent your freakish god into spaz city. Now every inch of that space, where the so called heaven resided, has been breeched by all manner of aircraft, not once but many thousands of times. We have reached into the skies and there is no heaven.

Man has drilled and delved into the earth's crust with magnificent machines, man has charted those depths where he has not yet actually reached and there is no hell. There can be no afterlife punishment nor reward.

We die, like all living things and none of us, will be resurrected from that death, except by medical means.
Vampires, and cannibals are not going to become Zombies, and the buybull Christ if he ever existed was not the promised savior. So know that imposters cannot step into a prophesied saviors footsteps and in hindsight change that prophesy.

BTW: Your god has no power to condemn anyone, he was beaten by the iron chariot, making him less than any human.
And biblically speaking your Jesus was a liar, check the buybull and you will see that it is so. He said that whatsoever ye shall ask in his name, it shall be given. No ifs, no ands, no buts , just ask and ye shall receive, but that is not true. How many people have asked for healing, or life for a sick child, or even to win the lottery? They were all promised to get exactly what they asked for.
Amused

Brookfield, MA

#3 Aug 19, 2013
Tall Guy wrote:
Too many on here say there is no hell or why would God send someone to such a horrible place.
1. Could a loving God send people to hell?
The bible says what send you to hell is unbelief. Hell was made for unbelievers. Jesus died for your sins and the 1 unforgivable sin is rejecting God, so if you go through this life with a harden heart towards God, you are openly rejecting him.
2. Who Hell was made for?
Matthew 25:41
41 “Then he will say to those on his left,‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
So if you reject god and Jesus in this life you are following the Devil.
3. If there is no hell, Why would a loving God send sinners to heaven?
If you wanted nothing to do with God in this lifetime, why would you want anything to do with him in the next life. God is not going to put you in a place with nothing but believers if you wanted noting to do with him before as that would now make heaven Hell for the unbeliever, since they would be with people they wanted nothing to be like before.
4. If Hell is not real, Jesus was a liar.
If hell is not a real place, you pretty much cant trust anything Jesus said and why he wasted a time warning about it being a place you don't want to go.
Is Hell a certain amount of time , then you die or for all eternity? Only God knows that, but it is a real and a place that should be avoided!!!
Quoting the bible is not proof of the truth of the bible any more than quoting Moby Dick proves the existence of a great white whale.
Amused

Brookfield, MA

#4 Aug 19, 2013
I reject your assumption that your god is benevolent.

2 Kings 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Your god was happy to use a pair of bears to kill 42 small children in a most painful and appalling way for the trivial offense of laughing at a bald man. This makes your god out to be more evil than the Newtown CT shooter. This is straight out of the bible, which you claim to be god's own word. So apparently, your god is a child killer and proud of it. That says something about how depraved one would have to be to worship such a monster.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#5 Aug 20, 2013
Amused wrote:
I reject your assumption that your god is benevolent.
2 Kings 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Your god was happy to use a pair of bears to kill 42 small children in a most painful and appalling way for the trivial offense of laughing at a bald man. This makes your god out to be more evil than the Newtown CT shooter. This is straight out of the bible, which you claim to be god's own word. So apparently, your god is a child killer and proud of it. That says something about how depraved one would have to be to worship such a monster.
I have a problem with the last sentence. I agree that such a god is a monster, far more evil than any human being. However, if you mean by depraved that a person chose freely to worship such a monster, then I question whether it was a free choice. The parents, the church, the community, the culture that uses a Bible, all put tremendous pressure on a young child from a very early age to believe and worship such a horrid being. It is clearly child abuse - and they too were likely similarly abused as children. It is a tragedy that people are so poisoned by such a belief. It is horrible that they become apologists for evil. It is appalling that our schools cannot teach reason to children, to help them free themselves from the indoctrination.

But if the term depraved implies a moral condemnation of the person who is a believer, then it seems to assume a degree of free will. And I don't think the belief is due to free will. I think I was terribly lucky to be raised agnostic and atheist. I do not see it is a wonderful accomplishment of my own. I think my parents were lucky to have minds that could free them from the religion of their surrounding culture, and I was even luckier to be free from it all mylife. I feel lucky that there was a library system to order books on philosophy when I was l7, and that my parents encouraged me. Lucky to attend a fine college and take philosophy courses. Lucky to be surrounded by a community that did not punish me for being a thinking person who did not agree with the religion of most of its inhabitants.

I can agree that it is horrid to believe in such a god, but I cannot blame the believer entirely - for the believer is a victim of his upbringing and other pressures.

Perhaps you did not mean the term depraved to imply free will and guilt. I mostly agree with your comment, but I wanted to tackle the free will problem, and see what you think regarding the moral responsibility of persons who were brainwashed as children.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#6 Aug 20, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Quoting the bible is not proof of the truth of the bible any more than quoting Moby Dick proves the existence of a great white whale.
It does prove one is nuts to go out fishing for either one of them.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#7 Aug 20, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> I have a problem with the last sentence. I agree that such a god is a monster, far more evil than any human being. However, if you mean by depraved that a person chose freely to worship such a monster, then I question whether it was a free choice. The parents, the church, the community, the culture that uses a Bible, all put tremendous pressure on a young child from a very early age to believe and worship such a horrid being. It is clearly child abuse - and they too were likely similarly abused as children. It is a tragedy that people are so poisoned by such a belief. It is horrible that they become apologists for evil. It is appalling that our schools cannot teach reason to children, to help them free themselves from the indoctrination.
But if the term depraved implies a moral condemnation of the person who is a believer, then it seems to assume a degree of free will. And I don't think the belief is due to free will. I think I was terribly lucky to be raised agnostic and atheist. I do not see it is a wonderful accomplishment of my own. I think my parents were lucky to have minds that could free them from the religion of their surrounding culture, and I was even luckier to be free from it all mylife. I feel lucky that there was a library system to order books on philosophy when I was l7, and that my parents encouraged me. Lucky to attend a fine college and take philosophy courses. Lucky to be surrounded by a community that did not punish me for being a thinking person who did not agree with the religion of most of its inhabitants.
I can agree that it is horrid to believe in such a god, but I cannot blame the believer entirely - for the believer is a victim of his upbringing and other pressures.
Perhaps you did not mean the term depraved to imply free will and guilt. I mostly agree with your comment, but I wanted to tackle the free will problem, and see what you think regarding the moral responsibility of persons who were brainwashed as children.
You are exceptional in having a religious or more accurately non religious upbringing. I think most of the atheist posters here went through a process of having to break away from the beliefs inculcated by others to learn to think for themselves.personally, I was raised catholic. Catholic high school,altar boy, the whole 9 yards. there were even people pushing me towards the priesthood. In the end, I took responsibility For my own beliefs. Because of my own experience, I expect others to own their own beliefs also. That includes responsibility for believing it a good thing to worship a monster. To me, part of becoming an adult is thinking about what you have been taught and deciding for yourself what you believe. If you blindly accept what you have been told, no matter how many years you lived, you are still a child.

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