The atheist's dilemma

How likely is it that the world's 1.3 billion Muslims will wake up one morning and abandon their ancestral faith? Even if you are a ferocious Sam Harris-style atheist who thinks religion is completely stupid -- ... Full Story
Ocean56

AOL

#46 Nov 28, 2007
MLM wrote:
No it's not the 'bottom line', the bottom line is that the evidence of God's existence is right in front of us if we just look at it. There's no way life and this universe could have just come from nothing. That belief is as irrational as we're told God is. The real bottom line is that God does exist and that a lot of people are going to be sorry when they have to stand before him and explain why they never accepted him.
Another poster confuses what God dictates with what man interprets. Many religions have this problem. Followers twist and manipulate things for their own wishes and use them to kill and destroy. In reality, God doesn't want anyone killed at all, things like the Crusades and the Iquisiton were a big mistake on man's part.
You're welcome to BELIEVE whatever you want. The problems arise when "christians" insist that their beliefs are facts, then proceed to FORCE those beliefs on everyone else.

That's what the catholic terrorist campaigns of the Inquisition and the Malleus Maleficarum were all about. These campaigns of torture and terror were devices created by the rcc to force those who even THOUGHT of questioning the catholic church or dissenting from it to abandon their ideas of thinking for themselves. Those who weren't victims of these terrorist campaigns kept their feelings quiet simply to survive.

Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have no jurisdiction over atheists
Ocean56

AOL

#47 Nov 28, 2007
Drew H wrote:
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The Bible says that Satan was cast out of Heaven. It doen't say he was cast into Hell. Before you go telling lies about the Bible, get to know it. He's roaming to and fro seeking whom he may devour. And believe me he is and will continue to devour until Jesus comes back THEN casts him into Hell, along with his demons and mortal followers (people who don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior). That's what the Bible says!
Personally, I couldn't care LESS what the bible says. To me, it is nothing more than a work of collective FICTION. As far as I'M concerned, your god is imaginary, as is satan, heaven and hell. Oh, and the "holy ghost" too, I almost forgot about that one.

Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have no jurisdiction over atheists
Ed Burke

Coram, NY

#48 Nov 28, 2007
Denise wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus died for our sins. It's a waste to not commit them.
Sadly Denise heII is reserved for people who think this concept of sin is a joke. HeII is real, the Almighty God is real, and the forgiveness of sins depends upon whether or not you are in a 'state of grace' when you die. That term is the opposite of being a sinner. Sin is an offense against He who is Love and goodness, hence it is a terrible offense, and not overlooked. It certainly is no cause for laughter, as I hope you never discover, for the consequences are more terrible than most humans could stand to witness, much less endure.
Ocean56

AOL

#49 Nov 28, 2007
lmc wrote:
<quoted text>It takes more than just doing good deeds my friend, you also need to have faith in GOD. Christians aren't drawing attention here, the only people that love to draw attention is people who are atheist's, throwing an uproar when it comes to the religious faithful wanting to do GOD'S will, whether it's by preaching the word of GOD, praying, or even loving thy neighbor, which can be very difficult, considering the state the world is in today. I pray you will find faith in GOD someday, you will need it.
The only problem I have with the "religious faithful doing god's will" is that the so-called "faithful" are attempting to force their toxic beliefs onto everyone else. Oh, and if atheism is such a problem for you, why are you posting to an ATHEIST forum? Trying to get more converts using empty threats of the boogeyman, no doubt. Hate to tell you, but it isn't working.

Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have no jurisdiction over atheists
Ocean56

AOL

#50 Nov 28, 2007
lmc wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Denise, I suggest you do a lot of repenting. Your a waste of matter that needs to be flushed down the toilet.
Your IMPOTENCE to control the thoughts and actions of anyone but yourself must really be frustrating for you. I suggest you get used to it though, because it isn't going away anytime soon.

Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have no jurisdiction over atheists
Ed Burke

Coram, NY

#51 Nov 28, 2007
The God of all is alive and with us everyday. Read the true account of Fatima, and the miracles predicted months in advance for the precise hour and day, Oct. 13th, 1920 in the little town of Fatima, in Portugal. These events were so astonishing that the parents of one of the three little children who told when these miracles would occur, was called a liar by her own mother. Yet the events were witnessed, and recorded in newspapers, and by a crowd estimated to be between 70,000 and 100,000 people including people living miles away, and otherwise unaware of the days events, and at precisely the day, time and place foretold months in advance. Yes and even atheists saw the miracles first hand.

www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/TSFATIMA.htm
Ed Burke

Coram, NY

#52 Nov 28, 2007
Ocean56 wrote:
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IMAGINARY gods have no jurisdiction over atheists
That statement is quite true, but the God of Abraham who is also God the Father, the first person of the Holy Trinity, is a God who has always been alive, is now alive, and will always be alive. There is nothing Imaginary about the God who sent His son Jesus down from heaven to save even people like you. Unfortunately He has absolute jurisdiction of you, and has endowed you with free Will, that you have, so far, wasted. Not choosing this Real God of the Universe, well lets just say you truly don't want to go down that road, it doesn't end well.
Ed Burke

Coram, NY

#53 Nov 28, 2007
The purpose of each life is to seek the God of creation that makes that life possible. We seek Him because He alone is Love, Knowledge, and Life. Not the temporary life of this world, ruled by satan, but a life that is perfect and will never end. The Knowledge of the universe, and all knowledge is His to offer, not the minor discoveries of mortal men. And the Love He offers is pure, unimaginably perfect, and unyielding, not at all the temporary love we feel here for each other. So denying God, and Not seeking Him is not only going to send you to heII, but it also deprives the fool who chooses that terrible fate what is an eternity of boundless joy instead.

I'm not trying to recruit anyone. I'm trying to warn you of a fate no one would choose that is about to befall you.
DC law dog

Mclean, VA

#54 Nov 28, 2007
<<Sadly Denise heII is reserved for people who think this concept of sin is a joke.>>

There is no such thing as "sin.."

<<eII is real,>>

Proof????

<<the Almighty God is real,>>

proof?????

<< and the forgiveness of sins depends upon whether or not you are in a 'state of grace' when you die.>>

amazing grace???

<<That term is the opposite of being a sinner.>>

I am no sinner... sin is a made up concept.. I just have to obey state and federal laws...

<<Sin is an offense against>>

I do not see "sin" listed in the DC code or the federal code of laws...

<<He who is Love and goodness,>>

Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:

"Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!"

Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and Mark 16:16.

Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all eternity.

What sort of love is that?

The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should make it obvious to you: God is imaginary.
John LA

Canoga Park, CA

#55 Nov 28, 2007
Becoming an atheist is not a follow the leader activity, fools. It is a personal journey one has after rejecting that what has been hammered into his head, by those that had it hammered into their heads. It is obviously an unpopular decision going against the grain of society, but one who chooses this path gladly accepts it because this knowledge makes the world a lot easier to accept. Putting all your faith in fantasies that never happened may float your boat, but some of us have to ask tough questions of this life. We don't wear it on our sleeves because you bloodthirsty bastards would gladly cut off our arms to make yourselves feel better about being followers of futility. We sit back and sadly watch you play the silly game of war called my god's better than yours.

Since: Oct 07

Bawlmer

#57 Nov 28, 2007
Ed Burke wrote:
<quoted text>
Sadly Denise heII is reserved for people who think this concept of sin is a joke. HeII is real, the Almighty God is real, and the forgiveness of sins depends upon whether or not you are in a 'state of grace' when you die. That term is the opposite of being a sinner. Sin is an offense against He who is Love and goodness, hence it is a terrible offense, and not overlooked. It certainly is no cause for laughter, as I hope you never discover, for the consequences are more terrible than most humans could stand to witness, much less endure.
Boo hoo, we're so freakin' scared.....(yawn)

Since: Oct 07

Bawlmer

#58 Nov 28, 2007
MLM wrote:
No it's not the 'bottom line', the bottom line is that the evidence of God's existence is right in front of us if we just look at it.
All these forums, all these christers, and NONE of them have provided any evidence whatsoever, even when asked. Just "bla, bla, bla, well ya gotta have faith". Feh.
lmc

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#59 Nov 29, 2007
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
The only problem I have with the "religious faithful doing god's will" is that the so-called "faithful" are attempting to force their toxic beliefs onto everyone else. Oh, and if atheism is such a problem for you, why are you posting to an ATHEIST forum? Trying to get more converts using empty threats of the boogeyman, no doubt. Hate to tell you, but it isn't working.
Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have no jurisdiction over atheists
Another damaged, corrupt individual. Go ahead, keep spewing hatred, lies, in doing the devils work. I pity you, fool. You have no idea what your in for when your time is up. You are in for a rude awakening. Words can't even describe. GOD help you, you will be begging for HIS mercy.
lmc

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#60 Nov 29, 2007
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your IMPOTENCE to control the thoughts and actions of anyone but yourself must really be frustrating for you. I suggest you get used to it though, because it isn't going away anytime soon.
Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have no jurisdiction over atheists
Impotence? frustrating? Nah, just HONEST!!!!!! I suggest you get used to me preaching the word of GOD. Atheists have no jurisdiction whatsoever! PRAISE BE GOD, PRAISE BE JESUS CHRIST!!!
lmc

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#61 Nov 29, 2007
aveteran wrote:
<quoted text>All these forums, all these christers, and NONE of them have provided any evidence whatsoever, even when asked. Just "bla, bla, bla, well ya gotta have faith". Feh.
"Blessed are they who have not seen, and believe, for they shall see the kindom of GOD." How unfortunate for you.
lmc

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#62 Nov 29, 2007
John A S wrote:
Becoming an atheist is not a follow the leader activity, fools. It is a personal journey one has after rejecting that what has been hammered into his head, by those that had it hammered into their heads. It is obviously an unpopular decision going against the grain of society, but one who chooses this path gladly accepts it because this knowledge makes the world a lot easier to accept. Putting all your faith in fantasies that never happened may float your boat, but some of us have to ask tough questions of this life. We don't wear it on our sleeves because you bloodthirsty bastards would gladly cut off our arms to make yourselves feel better about being followers of futility. We sit back and sadly watch you play the silly game of war called my god's better than yours.
How unfortunate for you. What's really sad is your lack of faith in GOD.
lmc

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#63 Nov 29, 2007
aveteran wrote:
<quoted text>Boo hoo, we're so freakin' scared.....(yawn)
Go ahead, keep digging yourself in deeper. Your only making things worse for yourself. Keep it up.
lmc

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#64 Nov 29, 2007
aveteran wrote:
<quoted text>Ignorant jackazs... I DO get to make the rules, and your genocidal sky-demon has nothing to say about it. I hope you overcome your lack of reality.
The only ingnorant one here is you.
lmc

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#66 Nov 29, 2007
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Greetings lmc
Peace
We all have original sin? Hmmm. Being a Christian, I thought original sin was over. If I still have original sin, then Christ's sacrifice is in vain....
Apparently you are not able to reason with your faith. Or maybe I am just jumping the gun on you, as I believe you have done to me....
Peace
Robert
Peace
Robert
Hmmmmm, so typical. What you thought was wrong. How unfortunate for you not to understand the true meaning of Christ's sacrafice. Oh, by the way, it doesn't take reasoning to have faith, of course, someone like you wouldn't understand that anyway. So, go ahead, question it all you want, won't change what I have, and the way I feel. How unfortunate for you, not to feel the same way. Peace.
Ed Burke

Coram, NY

#67 Nov 29, 2007
lmc wrote:
<quoted text> Hmmmmm, so typical. What you thought was wrong. How unfortunate for you not to understand the true meaning of Christ's sacrafice. Oh, by the way, it doesn't take reasoning to have faith, of course, someone like you wouldn't understand that anyway. So, go ahead, question it all you want, won't change what I have, and the way I feel. How unfortunate for you, not to feel the same way. Peace.
Christ eliminated the effects of Original sin and he alone retains the ability to use that power to forgive sins, and restore each person to God. We who are, every single person, sinners, still have to die because we still are marred by sin, and death is a natural consequence of sin. After that Jesus will judge our lives and decide then if we deserve to be restored to the Father with the power His sacrifice on the cross allowed God the father to grant Him.

As an atheist it is not surprising you do not understand because if you did, you couldn't be an atheist. Poor fool, wake up before you meet a terrible fate. HeII happens to be very real, regadless of much you hope it is not, and you are on the high speed path to get there.
Read www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/TSFATIMA.htm the account of Lucia who was allowed to actually see heII and describe it during one of the fatima apparitions. This is what awaits all atheists, you might as well glimpse your eternal choice, after all, you'll be dead a very long time.

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