Don't let atheists grow in influence

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Why, when people are arguing that we should not 'bow to religion', are we creating new rules for another religion that of atheism? The definition of a religion or faith is a belief in the existence or non-existence of God in the absolute absence of corroborative scientific evidence.

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Amused

Lowell, MA

#74 Oct 23, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I almost mistook you for a preaching godbot when I saw all those verses.
One wonders why a loving god would allow people to inherit "original sin" instead of using his magical to zap the disease away?
Maybe god secretly wants people to go to hell so he invented an excuse to send them there.
It leads to several interesting questions.

If all mankind were cursed because of one man's (and one woman's) act, and god wanted to forgive and lift the curse, why was a sacrifice needed before he could forgive? Wouldn't an all powerful being inherently have the power to simply say "I forgive, the curse is lifted"? Would seem easier than the elaborate measures needed to have a woman immaculately conceived in order to bear the child of the deity, so that that child could be killed as a sacrifice, but not really permanently dead. If there were an immaculate conception, that means god has the capability to have humans born without sin, and therefore he chooses not to. So he is sacrificing himself to himself in order to save us from... his choice to saddle us with a curse. A curse he imposed in the first place. That whole line of thinking is babbling lunacy.

If a sacrifice was required, who imposed the requirement? If god made the requirement, why could he not alter it if it suited his purpose? If the requirement is externally imposed, that means there is another being with the power to control or restrict the choices god can make. If so, that being is more powerful than god. Hmmm. Have theists been worshiping a mid-level manager instead of the CEO?
Amused

Lowell, MA

#75 Oct 23, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I almost mistook you for a preaching godbot when I saw all those verses.
...
The best way to confront them is with their own texts. Most of them have no idea what manner of lunacy is in that great big doorstop of a book they claim to hold as a guide for every facet of their lives. If you paraphrase, they claim you are altering the meaning.(Although, when forced to confront their own holy texts, most of them claim that nothing in the bible means what it says, and you need a True Believer Secret Decoder Ring that explains away all the contradictions and utter barking lunacy.)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#76 Oct 23, 2013
very well wrote:
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It's a shame you don't realize that you are headed straight to Hell. Your blindness is staggering.
Hell is no more real that your terror-god who you get off on thinking about torturing folk.

You are one sick f88k.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#77 Oct 23, 2013
very well wrote:
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Christianity never taught you that you are worth less than pond scum.
I had to LEAVE Genuine Christianity™ before I recogized that the FIRST AND FOREMOST lesson was:

"people are worth less than pond scum".

That way? Genuine Christianity™ can "justify" infinite TORTURE for everyone on earth.

And people like you?

Get your rocks off imagining your god TORTURING people.

You are pretty sick.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#78 Oct 23, 2013
Amused wrote:
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It leads to several interesting questions.
If all mankind were cursed because of one man's (and one woman's) act, and god wanted to forgive and lift the curse, why was a sacrifice needed before he could forgive? Wouldn't an all powerful being inherently have the power to simply say "I forgive, the curse is lifted"? Would seem easier than the elaborate measures needed to have a woman immaculately conceived in order to bear the child of the deity, so that that child could be killed as a sacrifice, but not really permanently dead. If there were an immaculate conception, that means god has the capability to have humans born without sin, and therefore he chooses not to. So he is sacrificing himself to himself in order to save us from... his choice to saddle us with a curse. A curse he imposed in the first place. That whole line of thinking is babbling lunacy.
If a sacrifice was required, who imposed the requirement? If god made the requirement, why could he not alter it if it suited his purpose? If the requirement is externally imposed, that means there is another being with the power to control or restrict the choices god can make. If so, that being is more powerful than god. Hmmm. Have theists been worshiping a mid-level manager instead of the CEO?
Exactly. Not to mention that the whole idea of Original sin contradicts the argument of free will.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#79 Oct 23, 2013
Amused wrote:
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The best way to confront them is with their own texts. Most of them have no idea what manner of lunacy is in that great big doorstop of a book they claim to hold as a guide for every facet of their lives. If you paraphrase, they claim you are altering the meaning.(Although, when forced to confront their own holy texts, most of them claim that nothing in the bible means what it says, and you need a True Believer Secret Decoder Ring that explains away all the contradictions and utter barking lunacy.)
I know. I use verses from their buybull as well. I get the same excuses that you get. "Oh, those verses are symbolic. Oh, we cannot know god's reason. Oh it's just the OT and I only worship the NT. The worst I've read was yesterday when I pointed out that God killed people for dumb shyt like working on Saturday. The response I got was "so what, I've seen atheists kill for even less of a reason," as if his imaginary experiences with violent atheists justified God's murderous sprees.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#80 Oct 24, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I know. I use verses from their buybull as well. I get the same excuses that you get. "Oh, those verses are symbolic. Oh, we cannot know god's reason. Oh it's just the OT and I only worship the NT. The worst I've read was yesterday when I pointed out that God killed people for dumb shyt like working on Saturday. The response I got was "so what, I've seen atheists kill for even less of a reason," as if his imaginary experiences with violent atheists justified God's murderous sprees.
The ones who say they only follow the NT and not the OT are the funniest. They don't seem to grasp that without the OT story of the fall and original sin, the NT story of a sacrifice makes no sense whatsoever. The creationist story is factually insupportable, but does have internal logic. The cafeteria christian approach, omitting the clearly wrong bits, makes no internal sense. If you accept evolution as fact, accept the big bang as probable, but attribute it to god and say the story of the fall is merely allegorical, not historical, there's no rational explanation for the necessity of a savior or a sacrifice. If jesus supposedly 'saved' us from our 'sinful' nature, one would have to explain how humanity is any different on account of the sacrifice. All you have is god being happy because blood was spilled in a particularly gory way. Doesn't say much for god and his supposed benevolence.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#81 Oct 24, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
Pubs turned into Churches in Great Britain :-)
London (CNN)-- Prince George made his first public appearance in three months Wednesday, as he arrived with his parents, Prince William and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, for his christening at St. James's Palace.
The baby prince smiled as he was shown off to family members including his great-grandparents, Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, before the royals entered the Chapel Royal.
George was dressed in an elaborate lace and satin christening gown that's a replica of one made in 1841 for the christening of Queen Victoria's eldest daughter.
Being baptized into the church is more significant for George than for most people, since he is in line to become king, which would also make him the supreme governor of the Church of England.
More Lying for Jesus. The article you gratuitously reposted says absolutely nothing about pubs being turned into churches. That was just a complete fabrication.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#82 Oct 24, 2013
The God of Christianity is Satan which brings with him hatred and war. Jesus said he came not to bring peace but instead a sword. He also abolished Gods covenant and his only command was to love each other. But Christians hate everyone that does not agree with them. And there are thousands of sects of Christianity. They cannot even follow one command. When the real Messiah comes, she will abolish the idols. Isaiah 2:18. An idol is the physical representation of a (dead) god. The law will be written on our hearts and we will observe and do it. The earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#83 Oct 24, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Exactly. Not to mention that the whole idea of Original sin contradicts the argument of free will.
Indeed it does.

I once suggested to a godbot, that the Noah story was over-the-top.

That a better solution would've been to make the evil people into good people.

He complained about free will.

I pointed out that drowning them wasn't honoring free will either...

.. he had no answer.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#84 Oct 24, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
I know. I use verses from their buybull as well. I get the same excuses that you get. "Oh, those verses are symbolic. Oh, we cannot know god's reason. Oh it's just the OT and I only worship the NT. The worst I've read was yesterday when I pointed out that God killed people for dumb shyt like working on Saturday. The response I got was "so what, I've seen atheists kill for even less of a reason," as if his imaginary experiences with violent atheists justified God's murderous sprees.
Why **is** it-- that as science marches forward?

More and more of the bible suddenly becomes.... allegorical?

I mean... what?

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#85 Oct 24, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
The ones who say they only follow the NT and not the OT are the funniest. They don't seem to grasp that without the OT story of the fall and original sin, the NT story of a sacrifice makes no sense whatsoever. The creationist story is factually insupportable, but does have internal logic. The cafeteria christian approach, omitting the clearly wrong bits, makes no internal sense. If you accept evolution as fact, accept the big bang as probable, but attribute it to god and say the story of the fall is merely allegorical, not historical, there's no rational explanation for the necessity of a savior or a sacrifice. If jesus supposedly 'saved' us from our 'sinful' nature, one would have to explain how humanity is any different on account of the sacrifice. All you have is god being happy because blood was spilled in a particularly gory way. Doesn't say much for god and his supposed benevolence.
Indeed. The whole thing is like a house of cards: the least little puff of logic, and it all collapses.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#86 Oct 25, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
The ones who say they only follow the NT and not the OT are the funniest. They don't seem to grasp that without the OT story of the fall and original sin, the NT story of a sacrifice makes no sense whatsoever. The creationist story is factually insupportable, but does have internal logic. The cafeteria christian approach, omitting the clearly wrong bits, makes no internal sense. If you accept evolution as fact, accept the big bang as probable, but attribute it to god and say the story of the fall is merely allegorical, not historical, there's no rational explanation for the necessity of a savior or a sacrifice. If jesus supposedly 'saved' us from our 'sinful' nature, one would have to explain how humanity is any different on account of the sacrifice. All you have is god being happy because blood was spilled in a particularly gory way. Doesn't say much for god and his supposed benevolence.
You are correct in all that you say. Cafeteria Christians are just trying to force the reconciliation of what cannot be reconciled.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#87 Oct 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed it does.
I once suggested to a godbot, that the Noah story was over-the-top.
That a better solution would've been to make the evil people into good people.
He complained about free will.
I pointed out that drowning them wasn't honoring free will either...
.. he had no answer.
God doesn't care about free will when it comes in his way for murder.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#88 Oct 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Why **is** it-- that as science marches forward?
More and more of the bible suddenly becomes.... allegorical?
I mean... what?
;)
The more science marches forward, the more they need to adjust facts to their will in order to give God credit for the progress of science.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#89 Oct 25, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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God doesn't care about free will when it comes in his way for murder.
Well, of course.

In truth? The whole "free will" is bogus anyway-- it's not actually in the bible at all, anywhere.

It is a fabricated concept made to try to excuse the problem of god-preventable evil in the world.

And it simply does not fly.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#90 Oct 25, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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The more science marches forward, the more they need to adjust facts to their will in order to give God credit for the progress of science.
Of course. The whole idea of scientific inquiry has been destroying religion's "revelation information" since the Greeks first figured it out.

The scientific method is one of the few things humans have created, that does compensate pretty well for human bias.

And when you couple it, with multiple but separate groups of humans? The bias gets removed even more.

And has been observed elsewhere, whatever is left? Has to be reality.

Since: Aug 12

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#91 Oct 25, 2013
1) If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he
is not known and do the evil there.–Moed Kattan 17a
2) If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.–Sanhedrin 58b
3) A Jew need not pay a Gentile (“Cuthean”) the wages owed
him for work.–Sanhedrin 57a
4) If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile (“heathen”) it does
not have to be returned.
-Baba Mezia 24a also in Baba Kamma 113b
5) When a Jew murders a Gentile (“Cuthean”), there will be no
death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may
keep.–Sanhedrin 57a
6) Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
has “exposed their money to Israel”.–Baba Kamma 37b
7) All Gentile children are animals.–Yebamoth 98a
8) Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
–Abodah Zarah 36b
9) Only Jews are human (“Only ye are designated men”).
–Baba Kattan 114a-114b
10) Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.
–Baba Kamma 113a
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
The more science marches forward, the more they need to adjust facts to their will in order to give God credit for the progress of science.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#92 Oct 25, 2013
swerty wrote:
1) If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he
is not known and do the evil there.–Moed Kattan 17a
2) If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.–Sanhedrin 58b
3) A Jew need not pay a Gentile (“Cuthean”) the wages owed
him for work.–Sanhedrin 57a
4) If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile (“heathen”) it does
not have to be returned.
-Baba Mezia 24a also in Baba Kamma 113b
5) When a Jew murders a Gentile (“Cuthean”), there will be no
death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may
keep.–Sanhedrin 57a
6) Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
has “exposed their money to Israel”.–Baba Kamma 37b
7) All Gentile children are animals.–Yebamoth 98a
8) Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
–Abodah Zarah 36b
9) Only Jews are human (“Only ye are designated men”).
–Baba Kattan 114a-114b
10) Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.
–Baba Kamma 113a<quoted text>
Interesting. Not so innocent, were they?:)
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#93 Oct 25, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>I have found many atheists to be very moral and decent people. But sadly that alone will not get them to Heaven. They must also accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour.
Think about what you just said.

Imagine you are God, you send a messanger, to tell a select few, that people must follow him, or face an eternity of torture in a lake of fire. Your messanger refuses to provide any future civilizations evidence of his existence, other than word of mouth.

Many of these non- believers will one day come to you, who have led full, moral lives. You are then going to say, sorry, I know I left no address to come find me, nor one little shred of evidence of my existence. I know you were a good person, better than alot of my followers, but, too bad for you, you get what you don't deserve. Bye.

How is any of this story a moral represention of how you, me, or society, would treat someone, simply because they don't know you or I exist?

Thankfully, because of no evidence, I need not worry about this extremely evil, immoral character you call, God.

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