Don't let atheists grow in influence

Don't let atheists grow in influence

There are 215 comments on the This Is Staffordshire story from Oct 11, 2013, titled Don't let atheists grow in influence. In it, This Is Staffordshire reports that:

Why, when people are arguing that we should not 'bow to religion', are we creating new rules for another religion that of atheism? The definition of a religion or faith is a belief in the existence or non-existence of God in the absolute absence of corroborative scientific evidence.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at This Is Staffordshire.

Amused

Lowell, MA

#51 Oct 21, 2013
artwork wrote:
<quoted text>
You are intensely ugly and full of hatred.
Another shining example of christian love in action. Your jesus must be so very proud to have you as a follower.
Apostle

Newtown, PA

#52 Oct 21, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain 'Original Sin' in light of your post above. If there is no original sin, what's the point of the story of a sacrifice to redeem mankind from that sin?
The term "Original Sin" refers to Adam and Eve eating of the Fruit of Knowledge, despite God's admonition not to. This was the first or original sin. It does not apply to a person being born a sinner.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#53 Oct 21, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know where you get your information. A person is certainly not born a sinner.
I just go by your ugly BuyBull(bible). It states unequivobly and without question, everyone is BORN EVIL/SINFUL.

That means? Little babies who die before they can "catch Jewsus" go directly to hell-- no passing GO, no collecting $200.

The Cat'Licks knew this about the BuyBull(bible) and they fabricated a nice counter-spell instead: they baptize the baby against it's will (the baby is **never** consulted for this).

And once that magic spell is cast? The baby supposedly gets heaven....
Apostle wrote:
One does not reach that status until the age of accountability, usually around 12.
Bullsh7t. What you just said? Is not supportable by the actual BuyBull(bible).

Sorry about that-- you are just wishing, here.

Your ugly book sends babies who die early, directly to hell.
Apostle wrote:
As a non-believer at least follow the Golden Rule and make your time on Earth pleasant for others and yourself.
Oh I do follow the so-called "golden rule"-- which is not in the bible, by the way--

-- I treat people **honestly** and refuse to **lie** to them.

You ought to give **that** a try sometime.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#54 Oct 21, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
The title of the thread is "Don't let atheists grow in influence"
Atheists did not have any influence in determining what the people of Rome were to believe.(you either believed or else you were tortured to death as a heretic by the newly formed Roman Catholic Church)
Atheists did not have any influence in determining the events that led to the dark ages in Europe.
Atheists did not have any influence in determining who was to be burned alive in the inquisition.
(You had to be high ranking clergy to light the fire)
Atheists did not have any influence in determining that the earth was the center of the universe and anyone who disagreed with this was to burned alive.(Galileo recanting what he saw with his own eyes comes to mind..,,)
Atheists did not have any influence in deciding that the earth was flat.
(and again, anyone who disagreed with this was to be burned alive.)
Atheists did not have any influence in determining who was to be ruthlessly slaughtered in the name of the lord in the Americas where the genocide destroyed whole civilizations.
(Read the history of what really happened, not the books you read in school)
Atheists did not have any influence in trying to introduce a bill in the United States Congress to have pi rounded off to match the value given in the bible.
( How do you tell a hardcore fundamentalist? The wheels on his wagon go thump, thump, thump )
Atheists did not have any influence in pushing a bill in Uganda to punish homosexuals with death for being born.
(and these fundamentalists claim to worship a God that their own bible says is LOVE?)
Atheists did not have any influence in driving intelligent caring people to atheism in droves out of disgust with a church gone mad.
(unlike Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, atheists do not go door to door )
And last but not least,
Atheists did not have any influence in slowly eroding the constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to blend state and religion.(another DARK AGES anyone?)
You say "Don't let atheists grow in influence"?
DON'T LET ATHEISTS GROW IN INFLUENCE???!!!
How have Atheists as an organized group influenced the course of world events so far?
Well said! Hear! Hear!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#55 Oct 21, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>The term "Original Sin" refers to Adam and Eve eating of the Fruit of Knowledge, despite God's admonition not to. This was the first or original sin. It does not apply to a person being born a sinner.
Silly: "born into sin" is all through the NT BuyBull(bible).

Without that ugly dogma?

There is **NO** motive to get saved, is there?

No-- the BuyBull(bible) seriously teaches that people are worth less than pond-scum, and somehow **deserve** infinite torture by biblegod.

That's pretty ugly, that's what that is.

It's truly a barbaric religion.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#56 Oct 21, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>The term "Original Sin" refers to Adam and Eve eating of the Fruit of Knowledge, despite God's admonition not to. This was the first or original sin. It does not apply to a person being born a sinner.
P.S. The adam and STeve story?

Pure myth: for one thing? If a **clone** of adam was made from his rib?

The resultant **CLONE** would be male, not female.

That's just for starters.

More: DNA evidence proves beyond a doubt, that humanity did not descend from a single pair, at anytime in our past.

More: The whole Eden story is one of epic fail on the part of biblegod-- he is a deadbeat dad, absenting himself from his CHILDREN allowing known killers (snake) free access.

More: the whole **deliberate** temptation thing? Pure evil-- the poor kids (adam and eve were as children-- bible says so) did not even understand right from wrong-- so they had NO IDEA it would be wrong to disobey! Seriously-- they had no clue!

More: if biblegod is OMNISCIENT? He **KNEW** that adam/eve would fail BEFORE HAND! But he went ahead?

That's premeditated EVIL, that's what that is.

There's more-- want to hear it?
Apostle

Philadelphia, PA

#57 Oct 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
P.S. The adam and STeve story?
Pure myth: for one thing? If a **clone** of adam was made from his rib?
The resultant **CLONE** would be male, not female.
That's just for starters.
More: DNA evidence proves beyond a doubt, that humanity did not descend from a single pair, at anytime in our past.
More: The whole Eden story is one of epic fail on the part of biblegod-- he is a deadbeat dad, absenting himself from his CHILDREN allowing known killers (snake) free access.
More: the whole **deliberate** temptation thing? Pure evil-- the poor kids (adam and eve were as children-- bible says so) did not even understand right from wrong-- so they had NO IDEA it would be wrong to disobey! Seriously-- they had no clue!
More: if biblegod is OMNISCIENT? He **KNEW** that adam/eve would fail BEFORE HAND! But he went ahead?
That's premeditated EVIL, that's what that is.
There's more-- want to hear it?
No thanks, I don't care to hear any more of your drivel.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#58 Oct 21, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
The title of the thread is "Don't let atheists grow in influence"
Atheists did not have any influence in determining what the people of Rome were to believe.(you either believed or else you were tortured to death as a heretic by the newly formed Roman Catholic Church)
Atheists did not have any influence in determining the events that led to the dark ages in Europe.
Atheists did not have any influence in determining who was to be burned alive in the inquisition.
(You had to be high ranking clergy to light the fire)
Atheists did not have any influence in determining that the earth was the center of the universe and anyone who disagreed with this was to burned alive.(Galileo recanting what he saw with his own eyes comes to mind..,,)
Atheists did not have any influence in deciding that the earth was flat.
(and again, anyone who disagreed with this was to be burned alive.)
Atheists did not have any influence in determining who was to be ruthlessly slaughtered in the name of the lord in the Americas where the genocide destroyed whole civilizations.
(Read the history of what really happened, not the books you read in school)
Atheists did not have any influence in trying to introduce a bill in the United States Congress to have pi rounded off to match the value given in the bible.
( How do you tell a hardcore fundamentalist? The wheels on his wagon go thump, thump, thump )
Atheists did not have any influence in pushing a bill in Uganda to punish homosexuals with death for being born.
(and these fundamentalists claim to worship a God that their own bible says is LOVE?)
Atheists did not have any influence in driving intelligent caring people to atheism in droves out of disgust with a church gone mad.
(unlike Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, atheists do not go door to door )
And last but not least,
Atheists did not have any influence in slowly eroding the constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to blend state and religion.(another DARK AGES anyone?)
You say "Don't let atheists grow in influence"?
DON'T LET ATHEISTS GROW IN INFLUENCE???!!!
How have Atheists as an organized group influenced the course of world events so far?
Very well put.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#59 Oct 22, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>No thanks, I don't care to hear any more of your drivel.
Here is a scripture for you to interpret, Apostle:

Luke 18:19 (New International Version,©2010)

"19 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good, except God alone."

I am sure all of us following this thread would be interested in what you have to say.

Personally I read the scripture as indicating that Jesus was pointing out that he was an ordinary human being with imperfections just like everyone else.

What is your take on this scripture, Apostle?
Ocean56

AOL

#60 Oct 22, 2013
chipped nails wrote:
*The first one is a lie.
*Add faith, hope, love towards fellow mankind , and the belief in God who gave us science to the second one and that is what sent us to the moon.
*Your atheism sends people to Hell .
Since hell is IMAGINARY, your moronic assertion about atheism sending people there is quite amusing.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#61 Oct 22, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>The term "Original Sin" refers to Adam and Eve eating of the Fruit of Knowledge, despite God's admonition not to. This was the first or original sin. It does not apply to a person being born a sinner.
There are several lines of biblical evidence for the historic Christian doctrine that we are all born into the world with sinful natures, due to the sin of Adam.

Scripture says that we are born sinners and that we are by nature sinners
Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." Ephesians 2:2 says that all people who are not in Christ are "sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:3 also establishes this, saying that we are all "by nature children of wrath." If we are all "by nature children of wrath," it can only be because we are all by nature sinners--for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.

Scripture speaks of humans as unrighteous from infancy
There are also verses which declare that we are all unrighteous from the time that we are born. Proverbs 22:15 says "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child." Genesis 8:21 declares, "...the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth." Jonathon Edwards, in his classic work The Great Christian Doctrine of Original Sin Defended, remarks that on this verse: "The word translated youth, signifies the whole of the former part of the age of man, which commences from the beginning of life. The word in its derivation, has reference to the birth or beginning of existence...so that the word here translated youth, comprehends not only what we in English most commonly call the time of youth, but also childhood and infancy." From http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/a...
----------
Original sin may be taken to mean:(1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.

From the earliest times the latter sense of the word was more common, as may be seen by St. Augustine's statement: "the deliberate sin of the first man is the cause of original sin" (De nupt. et concup., II, xxvi, 43). It is the hereditary stain that is dealt with here. As to the sin of Adam we have not to examine the circumstances in which it was committed nor make the exegesis of the third chapter of Genesis. From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

----------

A condition you're in, not something you do

Original sin is a condition, not something that people do: It's the normal spiritual and psychological condition of human beings, not their bad thoughts and actions. Even a newborn baby who hasn't done anything at all is damaged by original sin.

The sin of Adam

In traditional Christian teaching, original sin is the result of Adam and Eve's disobedience to God when they ate a forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/chris...

Don't you just love it when atheists have to educate christians about the basic tenets of christian doctrine? They are the believers, but they haven't a clue what it is they believe.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#62 Oct 22, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
...Don't you just love it when atheists have to educate christians about the basic tenets of christian doctrine? They are the believers, but they haven't a clue what it is they believe.
And considering the paedophilia, financial scandals, anti-gay rhetoric, religious courts, child genital mutilation, Creationism, sectarianism and other problems religion causes around the world - it is important to realise how often secular society has had to educate religionists on moral issues too.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#63 Oct 22, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>No thanks, I don't care to hear any more of your drivel.
LOL!

You cannot REFUTE my scathing criticism of your ugly myth.

So you put your fingers in your ears, and shout *nnnnh**nnnnh* over and over.

Classic mindlessness.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#64 Oct 22, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is a scripture for you to interpret, Apostle:
Luke 18:19 (New International Version,©2010)
"19 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good, except God alone."
I am sure all of us following this thread would be interested in what you have to say.
Personally I read the scripture as indicating that Jesus was pointing out that he was an ordinary human being with imperfections just like everyone else.
What is your take on this scripture, Apostle?
Brilliant find, G'pa!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#65 Oct 22, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
There are several lines of biblical evidence for the historic Christian doctrine that we are all born into the world with sinful natures, due to the sin of Adam.
Scripture says that we are born sinners and that we are by nature sinners
Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." Ephesians 2:2 says that all people who are not in Christ are "sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:3 also establishes this, saying that we are all "by nature children of wrath." If we are all "by nature children of wrath," it can only be because we are all by nature sinners--for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.
Scripture speaks of humans as unrighteous from infancy
There are also verses which declare that we are all unrighteous from the time that we are born. Proverbs 22:15 says "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child." Genesis 8:21 declares, "...the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth." Jonathon Edwards, in his classic work The Great Christian Doctrine of Original Sin Defended, remarks that on this verse: "The word translated youth, signifies the whole of the former part of the age of man, which commences from the beginning of life. The word in its derivation, has reference to the birth or beginning of existence...so that the word here translated youth, comprehends not only what we in English most commonly call the time of youth, but also childhood and infancy." From http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/a...
----------
Original sin may be taken to mean:(1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.
From the earliest times the latter sense of the word was more common, as may be seen by St. Augustine's statement: "the deliberate sin of the first man is the cause of original sin" (De nupt. et concup., II, xxvi, 43). It is the hereditary stain that is dealt with here. As to the sin of Adam we have not to examine the circumstances in which it was committed nor make the exegesis of the third chapter of Genesis. From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm
----------
A condition you're in, not something you do
Original sin is a condition, not something that people do: It's the normal spiritual and psychological condition of human beings, not their bad thoughts and actions. Even a newborn baby who hasn't done anything at all is damaged by original sin.
The sin of Adam
In traditional Christian teaching, original sin is the result of Adam and Eve's disobedience to God when they ate a forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden.
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/chris...
Don't you just love it when atheists have to educate christians about the basic tenets of christian doctrine? They are the believers, but they haven't a clue what it is they believe.
Indeed.

Christianity is an ugly religion: it teaches that people are worth less than pond scum.

It is disgusting.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#66 Oct 22, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>And considering the paedophilia, financial scandals, anti-gay rhetoric, religious courts, child genital mutilation, Creationism, sectarianism and other problems religion causes around the world - it is important to realise how often secular society has had to educate religionists on moral issues too.
Every **single** moral and ethical improvement in the past 100 years or so?

Has ultimately come from **secular** sources: and the bible-followers have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the new ideas.

The most recent major change in the US, would be the civil rights, and the many-many laws prohibiting mixed-race marriages.

The bible-thumpers would quote their book to "prove" why "god was against mixed race marriage" and that it would be "the end of civilization".

Yet? The secular idea that two adults who wished to marry-- regardless of their race-- should be allowed to marry-- took center stage, and carried the day.

Now, no state prohibits mixed-race marriage-- and many of the religious have the stones to claim **they** were behind it all along....!

Wait... what?

... meh.

Step by baby step, the secularists must drag the religious into the modern age.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#70 Oct 22, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
There are several lines of biblical evidence for the historic Christian doctrine that we are all born into the world with sinful natures, due to the sin of Adam.
Scripture says that we are born sinners and that we are by nature sinners
Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." Ephesians 2:2 says that all people who are not in Christ are "sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:3 also establishes this, saying that we are all "by nature children of wrath." If we are all "by nature children of wrath," it can only be because we are all by nature sinners--for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.
Scripture speaks of humans as unrighteous from infancy
There are also verses which declare that we are all unrighteous from the time that we are born. Proverbs 22:15 says "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child." Genesis 8:21 declares, "...the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth." Jonathon Edwards, in his classic work The Great Christian Doctrine of Original Sin Defended, remarks that on this verse: "The word translated youth, signifies the whole of the former part of the age of man, which commences from the beginning of life. The word in its derivation, has reference to the birth or beginning of existence...so that the word here translated youth, comprehends not only what we in English most commonly call the time of youth, but also childhood and infancy." From http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/a...
----------
Original sin may be taken to mean:(1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.
From the earliest times the latter sense of the word was more common, as may be seen by St. Augustine's statement: "the deliberate sin of the first man is the cause of original sin" (De nupt. et concup., II, xxvi, 43). It is the hereditary stain that is dealt with here. As to the sin of Adam we have not to examine the circumstances in which it was committed nor make the exegesis of the third chapter of Genesis. From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm
----------
A condition you're in, not something you do
Original sin is a condition, not something that people do: It's the normal spiritual and psychological condition of human beings, not their bad thoughts and actions. Even a newborn baby who hasn't done anything at all is damaged by original sin.
The sin of Adam
In traditional Christian teaching, original sin is the result of Adam and Eve's disobedience to God when they ate a forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden.
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/chris...
Don't you just love it when atheists have to educate christians about the basic tenets of christian doctrine? They are the believers, but they haven't a clue what it is they believe.
I almost mistook you for a preaching godbot when I saw all those verses.
One wonders why a loving god would allow people to inherit "original sin" instead of using his magical to zap the disease away?
Maybe god secretly wants people to go to hell so he invented an excuse to send them there.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#71 Oct 22, 2013
very well wrote:
<quoted text>
Christianity never taught you that you are worth less than pond scum.
Your Satan has destroyed you.
Christianity has killed more people than satan
Amused

Lowell, MA

#72 Oct 23, 2013
very well wrote:
<quoted text>
He puts his fingers in his ears because atheists have been proven for centuries to be idiotic, deadly, and dishonest.
You are no different, buttwipe.
There's that famous Christian love in action again. Your Jesus must be so very proud to have you as a follower.
LCNLin

United States

#73 Oct 23, 2013
Pubs turned into Churches in Great Britain :-)

London (CNN)-- Prince George made his first public appearance in three months Wednesday, as he arrived with his parents, Prince William and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, for his christening at St. James's Palace.
The baby prince smiled as he was shown off to family members including his great-grandparents, Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, before the royals entered the Chapel Royal.
George was dressed in an elaborate lace and satin christening gown that's a replica of one made in 1841 for the christening of Queen Victoria's eldest daughter.
Being baptized into the church is more significant for George than for most people, since he is in line to become king, which would also make him the supreme governor of the Church of England.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Atheism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really T... (Jan '12) 55 min Brian_G 43,200
News Atheism, for Good Reason, Fears Questions (Jun '09) 1 hr replaytime 18,549
News Why I quit atheism 7 hr Eagle 12 708
Good arguments against Christianity 9 hr superwilly 209
A Universe from Nothing? 11 hr Mikko 533
The Dumbest Thing Posted by a Godbot (Jun '10) 15 hr Thinking 5,696
Atheism is a mental illness 16 hr Eagle 12 11
More from around the web