Is atheism winning the culture war?

Is atheism winning the culture war?

There are 224 comments on the The Washington Post story from Oct 23, 2013, titled Is atheism winning the culture war?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Barking dogs chase passing cars that they never come close to touching, and I doubt they consider the ramifications of actually catching a vehicle.

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“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#218 Dec 5, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
<quoted text>it's obvious you're stuck in the past with your closed mind stuck on 'obscene', stuck on exaggeration, stuck on sensationalism, stuck on <slavery>.
Excuse me if ythe bible is a book made in the past.
LuzAranda wrote:
<quoted text> The Bible teaches about God and Life. Slavery is by man not by God. He, God, respects our ways of life for better or worse, He sees how far we go and, boy, we go far.
God supported slavery in the bible.
LuzAranda wrote:
<quoted text> God is patient, kind and loving, Justice is His and God respects human behavior.
He is so loving that he leaves not one shred of evidence for his existence.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#219 Dec 5, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
The 1937 papal encyclical Divini Redemptoris denounced the atheism of the Soviet Union under
Joseph Stalin,
which was later influential in the establishment of state atheism across Eastern Europe and elsewhere, including
Mao Zedong's China,
Communist North Korea and
Pol Pot's Cambodia.
Critics of atheism often associate the actions of 20th-century state atheism with broader atheism in their critiques.
Well what can you expect from religious BS? Full of lies right from the OT to now. FYI, Hitler had his own papal ambassador to the Reich and did what he did with full papal approval so I would not get too excited about papal vomit if I were you

“At the time in question, the head of the church in Russia was a tyrant. The Russians were already disposed to servility and all Stalin did was exploit these two facts, and place himself in the position of god”. Once Stalin was firmly seated in office, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church in order to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. Stalin was part of a council convened to elect a new church Patriarch (the bit the Vatican does not like for some obscure reason that is beyond your bigoted intellect and understanding – my comment). Then the Russian theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. Even the Moscow Theological Academy Seminary was re-opened, after being closed since 1918.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-...

While it is true that Stalin, Hitler Mao and Pol Pot were, quite high on the murders they did or were responsible for (I have seen figures estimated between 15 and 80 million deaths) I would consider the following before opening your big mouth

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s

All religious wars where the only difference between the combatants of both sides was the way they chose to worship their god(s). And what do we get, over 800 MILLION lives lost in the name of religion, that is at least 10 times (possibly up to 50 times) what godbots blame atheism for

Back to http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-...
“So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious murder wins out.”

As for Poll Pot, he had a wonderful upbringing and training for mass murder, The majority of his schooling in a catholic boarding school apart form one year at a Buddhist monastery. Really you would not consider that a childs education could effect his later life so – eh?

Honey if you want to argue history with me feel free to get trounced every time
old mick

Clarksburg, WV

#220 Dec 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Well what can you expect from religious BS? Full of lies right from the OT to now. FYI, Hitler had his own papal ambassador to the Reich and did what he did with full papal approval so I would not get too excited about papal vomit if I were you

“At the time in question, the head of the church in Russia was a tyrant. The Russians were already disposed to servility and all Stalin did was exploit these two facts, and place himself in the position of god”. Once Stalin was firmly seated in office, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church in order to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. Stalin was part of a council convened to elect a new church Patriarch (the bit the Vatican does not like for some obscure reason that is beyond your bigoted intellect and understanding – my comment). Then the Russian theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. Even the Moscow Theological Academy Seminary was re-opened, after being closed since 1918.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-...

While it is true that Stalin, Hitler Mao and Pol Pot were, quite high on the murders they did or were responsible for (I have seen figures estimated between 15 and 80 million deaths) I would consider the following before opening your big mouth

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s

All religious wars where the only difference between the combatants of both sides was the way they chose to worship their god(s). And what do we get, over 800 MILLION lives lost in the name of religion, that is at least 10 times (possibly up to 50 times) what godbots blame atheism for

Back to http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-...
“So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious murder wins out.”

As for Poll Pot, he had a wonderful upbringing and training for mass murder, The majority of his schooling in a catholic boarding school apart form one year at a Buddhist monastery. Really you would not consider that a childs education could effect his later life so – eh?

Honey if you want to argue history with me feel free to get trounced every time
Come on! You can't be serious! You are trying to blame all these wars on religion? No... Every war is obliviously based on differences. Realize listening to you all sounds like talking politics to 4 year olds! Not impressed! Also most of ppl that inquire about something gain knowledge from it. Slavery is from mankind, ones that revolted died! If all died no one could care on the word of The Lord! So we are sure that wasn't the plan. Get your heads out of the sand!
old mick

Clarksburg, WV

#221 Dec 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Well what can you expect from religious BS? Full of lies right from the OT to now. FYI, Hitler had his own papal ambassador to the Reich and did what he did with full papal approval so I would not get too excited about papal vomit if I were you

“At the time in question, the head of the church in Russia was a tyrant. The Russians were already disposed to servility and all Stalin did was exploit these two facts, and place himself in the position of god”. Once Stalin was firmly seated in office, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church in order to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. Stalin was part of a council convened to elect a new church Patriarch (the bit the Vatican does not like for some obscure reason that is beyond your bigoted intellect and understanding – my comment). Then the Russian theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. Even the Moscow Theological Academy Seminary was re-opened, after being closed since 1918.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-...

While it is true that Stalin, Hitler Mao and Pol Pot were, quite high on the murders they did or were responsible for (I have seen figures estimated between 15 and 80 million deaths) I would consider the following before opening your big mouth

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s

All religious wars where the only difference between the combatants of both sides was the way they chose to worship their god(s). And what do we get, over 800 MILLION lives lost in the name of religion, that is at least 10 times (possibly up to 50 times) what godbots blame atheism for

Back to http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-...
“So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious murder wins out.”

As for Poll Pot, he had a wonderful upbringing and training for mass murder, The majority of his schooling in a catholic boarding school apart form one year at a Buddhist monastery. Really you would not consider that a childs education could effect his later life so – eh?

Honey if you want to argue history with me feel free to get trounced every time
Al Qaeda??? Seriously?? As a marine that went to Afghanistan and Iraq. I can tell you it wasn't about religion! Not between Ali and God. You are blind.
LCNLin

United States

#222 Dec 5, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not cherry picking history. You are the one pretending that atheists have a universal creed, which we don't, well besides our lack of belief in a god. You are trying to make any excuse to get past the fact that you believe in a book that promotes hate and murder.
Are you the self-appointed leader of all Atheists?
You still seem defensive on the topic?

Stalin, Pol Pot and Lenin ...do you speak for them?

Have a Nice Day
LCNLin

United States

#223 Dec 5, 2013
"You Christians :-) like to play a game of musical chairs with the OT." -Ejohn

A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

"You guys :-) love to talk about things such as Adam and Eve or Genesis, but when us atheists point out the barbarism of the OT, you guys disavow it. But that is okay because there is plenty of barbarism in the NT as well." -Ejohn

Aunt Sally :-)

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#224 Dec 5, 2013
old mick wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on! You can't be serious! You are trying to blame all these wars on religion? No... Every war is obliviously based on differences. Realize listening to you all sounds like talking politics to 4 year olds! Not impressed! Also most of ppl that inquire about something gain knowledge from it. Slavery is from mankind, ones that revolted died! If all died no one could care on the word of The Lord! So we are sure that wasn't the plan. Get your heads out of the sand!
old mick wrote:
<quoted text>
Al Qaeda??? Seriously?? As a marine that went to Afghanistan and Iraq. I can tell you it wasn't about religion! Not between Ali and God. You are blind.
Nope I am saying that both asides of all those wars were religious and they fought for their religious differences. However if you have any contrary evidence then I am always open to learn something new. Waiting…

As a marine your military indoctrination seems to have somewhat slewed your comprehension of fact. Despite what you were told by your war monger teachers Al Qaeda are a sunni muslim group and it really does not matter what you (or they) think, the muslim faith is a religion. They chose to incite terrorism against christian nations, christian property and non sunni muslims in the name of their god (funnily enough the same god as is worshipped by the people/nations they chose to attack, hence the inclusion in the list).
Good Without God

Olive Branch, MS

#225 Dec 5, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
<quoted text>it's obvious you're stuck in the past with your closed mind stuck on 'obscene', stuck on exaggeration, stuck on sensationalism, stuck on <slavery>. The Bible teaches about God and Life. Slavery is by man not by God. He, God, respects our ways of life for better or worse, He sees how far we go and, boy, we go far. God is patient, kind and loving, Justice is His and God respects human behavior. Slavery is not approved of anywhere but around those persons who consider themselves gods with power over their own fellow beings. Weak against the strong prevails. We need providential guidance, we need to take a good look at our neighbors. We need to show more LOVE for Life. How much would you cost? Are you willing to have your body inspected? etc.etc.
Says the believer stuck in Bronze-Age Myths. Some of us have evolved and moved on to a whole new realm. Some of you are still mired in antiquated superstitions. But nice try at whitewashing the immorality your buybull represents.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#226 Dec 5, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
what an idiotic argument! Slavery is a case of humanity against humanity. The strong against the weak, poverty against wealth, abuse of the defeated by the conqueror, end of RESPECT, end of humanity. WE have progressed far, in time and places,'slavery's still practiced in secret out of ignorance. Our society is keeping an eye on that case if ,only, for exaggeration.
All of which totally ignores, or perhaps papers over, the fact that the deity you follow enthusiastically and unequivocally supports the idea of slavery, prescribing detailed rules as to who can be enslaved, the conditions under which they must be freed, how they must be treated, how badly they may be beaten, their value if injured by acts of others, etc.

You are correct that we have progressed far.(Not far enough, but far.) Your statement to that effect, however, in recognizing that rejection of conduct endorsed in the bible does, indeed, constitute progress, demonstrates that:

a) The bible is not the source or ultimate arbiter of morality, but a reflection of the moral consensus of a bronze age society;

b) The morality of the bible and your god are not timeless, eternal principles, but principles rooted in the time and place where they originated;

c) Morals evolve over time and the human consensus as to morality is not fixed, but changes as we learn more.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#227 Dec 5, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you the self-appointed leader of all Atheists?
You still seem defensive on the topic?
Stalin, Pol Pot and Lenin ...do you speak for them?
Have a Nice Day
Yet another new "Judge It" icon we ought to have: a forked tongue symbolizing mendacity. With almost every intellectually dishonest post LCNLin shows why there is a crying need for such an icon.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#228 Dec 5, 2013
barbarism, sexuality, ABUSE, you name it. It's in the Bible. Those are reflections as to how we disobey God's commandment, the Golden Rule: Love your neighbor as yourself. Tis meaning we DON'T love ourselves. Slavery? not me. How much would anyone cost? Eastern countries might still practice it. Never been there, never will. Look outside and see if the sky's falling.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#229 Dec 5, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
barbarism, sexuality, ABUSE, you name it. It's in the Bible. Those are reflections as to how we disobey God's commandment, the Golden Rule: Love your neighbor as yourself. Tis meaning we DON'T love ourselves. Slavery? not me....
Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:

And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised.

Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:

The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. Any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him, but a temporary resident and a hired worker may not eat of it.

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1:

Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says,'I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,' then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32:

If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned.

Leviticus Chapter 22, verse 10:

No one outside a priest's family may eat the sacred offering, nor may the guest of a priest or his hired worker eat it. But if a priest buys a slave with money, or if a slave is born in his household, that slave may eat his food.

Levitticus 25:44

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Luke, Chapter 7, verse 2:

Now a centurion had a slave who was dear to him, who was sick and at the point of death. When he heard of Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his slave. And when they came to Jesus, they besought him earnestly, saying, "He is worthy to have you do this for him, for he loves our nation, and he built us our synagogue." And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying to him, "Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed. For I am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one,'Go,' and he goes; and to another,'Come,' and he comes; and to my slave,'Do this,' and he does it." When Jesus heard this he marveled at him, and turned and said to the multitude that followed him, "I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith." And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the slave well.

Your Jesus spoke against money-changers, mobs stoning women and many others. Slave-holders, not so much.
Are you another "christian" who has no idea what's in that big book you claim to follow? Seems so.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#230 Dec 5, 2013
Hey, look, there's even more in the NT endorsing slavery:

Colossians, chapter 3, verse 22:

Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, work heartily...

Titus, chapter 2 verse 9:

Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity.

And, Again in Timothy:
6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
6:2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Oh, noes! The bible says if you don't accept these teachings about slavery, you "know nothing" and are a bad person.

Last time I checked, Collosians, Titus and Timothy were books of the NT, so the other dodge about the OT rules not applying anymore won't get you off the hook.

You claim to worship a god that is A-OK with the idea of people owning people, people enslaving children, women being sold into sexual servitude, slaveholders having the right to beat the slaves they own, as long as they are not killed in the process, and says if you object to any of this, you know nothing.

Seems to me there are three possibilities here:

a) you didn't really understand what you are indoctrinated to worship, and you are actually repulsed by the god of the bible. Welcome to the club!

b) the bits about slavery weren't really from god. They were inserted by bronze-age slave owners who were fallible mortal men. That would seem to work, until you realize that you now have now foolproof way of determining which bits of the bible are divinely inspired and which are not. You have no way of telling which bits you should believe and which were the suppositions of ancient goatherds. Basically, that means you pick and choose which pieces you like and disregard the rest. In that case, you are using some other source of morality to determine which bits to follow. Which, in turn, proves that the bible is not a reliable, let alone eternal and infallible source of morality.

c) There really is a god, and he really does love him some slavery. If so, despite your protests that you don't support slavery, you really have bought the whole package, slavery and all. As for me, if there actually were such a deity, I would consider it a mark of honor to be eternally tortured for refusing to worship such evil.
Good Without God

United States

#231 Dec 5, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke, Chapter 7, verse 2:
Now a centurion had a slave who was dear to him, who was sick and at the point of death. When he heard of Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his slave. And when they came to Jesus, they besought him earnestly, saying, "He is worthy to have you do this for him, for he loves our nation, and he built us our synagogue." And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying to him, "Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed. For I am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one,'Go,' and he goes; and to another,'Come,' and he comes; and to my slave,'Do this,' and he does it." When Jesus heard this he marveled at him, and turned and said to the multitude that followed him, "I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith." And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the slave well.
Your Jesus spoke against money-changers, mobs stoning women and many others. Slave-holders, not so much.
Are you another "christian" who has no idea what's in that big book you claim to follow? Seems so.
Here is the perfect example of the Jeebus fellow having another opportunity to speak out against the immoral system of humans owning other humans, AKA slavery. But Noooooo! Instead he allegedly healed the slave, but for the benefit of whom? Only the slave owner, perhaps. If anyone needs an interpretation, it's called New Testament Immorality regarding the condoning of slavery.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#232 Dec 6, 2013
old mick wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on! You can't be serious! You are trying to blame all these wars on religion? No... Every war is obliviously based on differences. Realize listening to you all sounds like talking politics to 4 year olds!
She is absolutely correct. Most of those wars were dominated by religious purposes.

old mick wrote:
<quoted text>Slavery is from mankind, ones that revolted died! I
So why did your God fail to speak out against it in the bible.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#233 Dec 6, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you the self-appointed leader of all Atheists?
You still seem defensive on the topic?
Stalin, Pol Pot and Lenin ...do you speak for them?
Have a Nice Day
No I don't speak for them. I have no buybull that tells me to accept their ways. You, on the other hand, worships a book that promotes mass murder.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#234 Dec 6, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
"You Christians :-) like to play a game of musical chairs with the OT." -Ejohn
A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.
"You guys :-) love to talk about things such as Adam and Eve or Genesis, but when us atheists point out the barbarism of the OT, you guys disavow it. But that is okay because there is plenty of barbarism in the NT as well." -Ejohn
Aunt Sally :-)
While accusing me of misrepresenting your position by accusing you of deflection, you have avoided answering any of the questions posed by atheists here.
Aunt Sally.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#235 Dec 6, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well what can you expect from religious BS? Full of lies right from the OT to now. FYI, Hitler had his own papal ambassador to the Reich and did what he did with full papal approval so I would not get too excited about papal vomit if I were you
“At the time in question, the head of the church in Russia was a tyrant. The Russians were already disposed to servility and all Stalin did was exploit these two facts, and place himself in the position of god”. Once Stalin was firmly seated in office, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church in order to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. Stalin was part of a council convened to elect a new church Patriarch (the bit the Vatican does not like for some obscure reason that is beyond your bigoted intellect and understanding – my comment). Then the Russian theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. Even the Moscow Theological Academy Seminary was re-opened, after being closed since 1918.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-...
While it is true that Stalin, Hitler Mao and Pol Pot were, quite high on the murders they did or were responsible for (I have seen figures estimated between 15 and 80 million deaths) I would consider the following before opening your big mouth
Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s
All religious wars where the only difference between the combatants of both sides was the way they chose to worship their god(s). And what do we get, over 800 MILLION lives lost in the name of religion, that is at least 10 times (possibly up to 50 times) what godbots blame atheism for
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“So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious murder wins out.”
As for Poll Pot, he had a wonderful upbringing and training for mass murder, The majority of his schooling in a catholic boarding school apart form one year at a Buddhist monastery. Really you would not consider that a childs education could effect his later life so – eh?
Honey if you want to argue history with me feel free to get trounced every time
Don't forget the wars of Religion in France and the ST Bartholomew day Massacre or the Thirty Years war in Germany

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treat you they get offended.

#236 Dec 6, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Don't forget the wars of Religion in France and the ST Bartholomew day Massacre or the Thirty Years war in Germany
Not forgotten, St. Bartholomew Massacre and Thirty Years War are in the list and the French religious wars are also known as the Huguenot Wars (also listed)
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#237 Dec 6, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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No I don't speak for them. I have no buybull that tells me to accept their ways. You, on the other hand, worships a book that promotes mass murder.
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