Is atheism winning the culture war?

Is atheism winning the culture war?

There are 224 comments on the The Washington Post story from Oct 23, 2013, titled Is atheism winning the culture war?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Barking dogs chase passing cars that they never come close to touching, and I doubt they consider the ramifications of actually catching a vehicle.

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LCNLin

United States

#198 Dec 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Example - Once Stalin had consolidated his power he spent considerable time money and resources rebuilding the Christian church and it’s institutions in Russia.
Stalin with "considerable time money and resources.... Yada Yada",
while pausing to make 20 million Russian disappear?

Atheist Materialist trolls,
Not normal atheists,
seem
so
Defensive?

University here, history ...
Amused

Lowell, MA

#199 Dec 4, 2013
cradel cath wrote:
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In the NT in which Tuesday times reads does not have any of the slavery or genocide. He said he was catholic. Not Jewish. Catholic = New Testament.
The NT without the OT is a non-sequiter. Without man's fall, as described in the OT, the need for a redemptive sacrifice is unexplained by the NT. If you completely disregard the OT, then, according to the NT, a messiah was sent to save mankind and reconcile us to god, who was mad at us for some unexplained reason, which was nonetheless momentous enough to require the sacrifice of the specifically begotten son of god. In other words, without the OT, the NT is babbling nonsense.

The division between OT and NT is based on the division between christians and Jews. To Jews, the story ends with the OT. To christians, the two testaments are one continuous story. This is why christians cite OT prophecies of a messiah in support of their belief that Jesus is that messiah.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#200 Dec 4, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Stalin with "considerable time money and resources.... Yada Yada",
while pausing to make 20 million Russian disappear?
Atheist Materialist trolls,
Not normal atheists,
seem
so
Defensive?
University here, history ...
The “disappearances” in Stalins russia had nothing to do with his christianity but but nationalism.

Of course you may want to link then because you hate the idea of having a murdering despot in your club, that’s just tough.
Good Without God

Georgia, GA

#201 Dec 4, 2013
cradel cath wrote:
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In the NT in which Tuesday times reads does not have any of the slavery or genocide. He said he was catholic. Not Jewish. Catholic = New Testament.
Your Jeebus fello had plenty of opportunities to condemn slavery, but never did. If fact the New is pretty much the same as the Old.

The New Testament makes no condemnation of slave ownership but does have advice for Christian slaves and also regulates how Christian slave owners should treat the slaves they own.

(Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

Christian slaves whose master is also Christian are told:

(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

There are instructions for Christian slave owners to treat their slaves well.

Eph 6:9 ) And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favouritism with him.(See also Ephesians 6:7-8)

(Coll 4:1 ) Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.

Nevertheless in other parts of the New Testament slave traders were considered "lawless and rebellious," and categorized with homosexuals, liars and promise breakers.(Though even they were not lumped together with tax collectors.)

"(1Timothy 1:9-10 NLT) For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God."
Amused

Lowell, MA

#202 Dec 4, 2013
Good Without God wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Jeebus fello had plenty of opportunities to condemn slavery, but never did. If fact the New is pretty much the same as the Old.
The New Testament makes no condemnation of slave ownership but does have advice for Christian slaves and also regulates how Christian slave owners should treat the slaves they own.
(Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
Christian slaves whose master is also Christian are told:
(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
There are instructions for Christian slave owners to treat their slaves well.
Eph 6:9 ) And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favouritism with him.(See also Ephesians 6:7-8)
(Coll 4:1 ) Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
Nevertheless in other parts of the New Testament slave traders were considered "lawless and rebellious," and categorized with homosexuals, liars and promise breakers.(Though even they were not lumped together with tax collectors.)
"(1Timothy 1:9-10 NLT) For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God."
Don't you just hate it when you have to tell christians exactly what is in that great big doorstop of a book they profess to love so much? You'd think that since they believe the bible is the source of all truth and all they might actually, you know, read it?

Maybe the Atheist Forum should be re-named "Free bible study lessons for reading-challenged christians".
LCNLin

United States

#203 Dec 4, 2013
Good Without God wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Jeebus fello had plenty of opportunities to condemn slavery, but never did. If fact the New is pretty much the same as the Old.
The New Testament makes no condemnation of slave ownership but does have advice for Christian slaves and also regulates how Christian slave owners should treat the slaves they own.
(Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
Christian slaves whose master is also Christian are told:
(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
There are instructions for Christian slave owners to treat their slaves well.
Eph 6:9 ) And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favouritism with him.(See also Ephesians 6:7-8)
(Coll 4:1 ) Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
Nevertheless in other parts of the New Testament slave traders were considered "lawless and rebellious," and categorized with homosexuals, liars and promise breakers.(Though even they were not lumped together with tax collectors.)
"(1Timothy 1:9-10 NLT) For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God."
"Your Jeebus fello had plenty
of opportunities to condemn slavery" :-)

Rambling group of unsupported generalization but funny.
LCNLin

United States

#204 Dec 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
The “disappearances” in Stalins russia had nothing to do with his christianity but but nationalism.
Of course you may want to link then because you hate the idea of having a murdering despot in your club, that’s just tough.
The 1937 papal encyclical Divini Redemptoris denounced the atheism of the Soviet Union under
Joseph Stalin,
which was later influential in the establishment of state atheism across Eastern Europe and elsewhere, including
Mao Zedong's China,
Communist North Korea and

Pol Pot's Cambodia.
Critics of atheism often associate the actions of 20th-century state atheism with broader atheism in their critiques.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#205 Dec 4, 2013
what an idiotic argument! Slavery is a case of humanity against humanity. The strong against the weak, poverty against wealth, abuse of the defeated by the conqueror, end of RESPECT, end of humanity. WE have progressed far, in time and places,'slavery's still practiced in secret out of ignorance. Our society is keeping an eye on that case if ,only, for exaggeration.
cradel cath

Clarksburg, WV

#206 Dec 4, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>The NT without the OT is a non-sequiter. Without man's fall, as described in the OT, the need for a redemptive sacrifice is unexplained by the NT. If you completely disregard the OT, then, according to the NT, a messiah was sent to save mankind and reconcile us to god, who was mad at us for some unexplained reason, which was nonetheless momentous enough to require the sacrifice of the specifically begotten son of god. In other words, without the OT, the NT is babbling nonsense.

The division between OT and NT is based on the division between christians and Jews. To Jews, the story ends with the OT. To christians, the two testaments are one continuous story. This is why christians cite OT prophecies of a messiah in support of their belief that Jesus is that messiah.
We don't disregard. We live by and worship the NT. Who was mad at us for no reasons. I'm sure you can find them out with your biblical knowledge and expansive reading skills.
cradel cath

Clarksburg, WV

#207 Dec 4, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you just hate it when you have to tell christians exactly what is in that great big doorstop of a book they profess to love so much? You'd think that since they believe the bible is the source of all truth and all they might actually, you know, read it?

Maybe the Atheist Forum should be re-named "Free bible study lessons for reading-challenged christians".
Now if you could only interpret it for us to! The two of your girls post of slavery is not even close.
Good Without God

Georgia, GA

#208 Dec 4, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you just hate it when you have to tell christians exactly what is in that great big doorstop of a book they profess to love so much? You'd think that since they believe the bible is the source of all truth and all they might actually, you know, read it?
Maybe the Atheist Forum should be re-named "Free bible study lessons for reading-challenged christians".
Well, we do score higher on just about all tests and quizzes about religion.
Good Without God

Georgia, GA

#209 Dec 4, 2013
cradel cath wrote:
<quoted text>
Now if you could only interpret it for us to! The two of your girls post of slavery is not even close.
That's easy. Your buybull and your religion is immoral to condone slavery.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#210 Dec 4, 2013
Good Without God wrote:
<quoted text>
That's easy. Your buybull and your religion is immoral to condone slavery.
it's obvious you're stuck in the past with your closed mind stuck on 'obscene', stuck on exaggeration, stuck on sensationalism, stuck on <slavery>. The Bible teaches about God and Life. Slavery is by man not by God. He, God, respects our ways of life for better or worse, He sees how far we go and, boy, we go far. God is patient, kind and loving, Justice is His and God respects human behavior. Slavery is not approved of anywhere but around those persons who consider themselves gods with power over their own fellow beings. Weak against the strong prevails. We need providential guidance, we need to take a good look at our neighbors. We need to show more LOVE for Life. How much would you cost? Are you willing to have your body inspected? etc.etc.
LCNLin

United States

#211 Dec 4, 2013
NEW YORK — With a flick of the switch, a 76-foot Norway Spruce officially became the Rockefeller Center Christmas tree Wednesday night after it was illuminated for the first time this holiday season in a ceremony that’s been held since 1933.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg turned on the lights just before 9 p.m., setting off a dazzling 45,000 multi-colored LED lights and a 9 1/2-foot-wide Swarovski star that topped the 12-ton tree.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/rockefell...

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#212 Dec 5, 2013
cradel cath wrote:
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In the NT in which Tuesday times reads does not have any of the slavery or genocide. He said he was catholic. Not Jewish. Catholic = New Testament.
"Slaves be obedient to your masters" is an New Testament verse.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#213 Dec 5, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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"Let's compare being atheism to liking to wear blue clothes." and then begins the rambling.
Communist Russia enforced atheism ...
you were cherry picking history.
Have a nice Day
I am not cherry picking history. You are the one pretending that atheists have a universal creed, which we don't, well besides our lack of belief in a god. You are trying to make any excuse to get past the fact that you believe in a book that promotes hate and murder.

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Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#214 Dec 5, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you just hate it when you have to tell christians exactly what is in that great big doorstop of a book they profess to love so much? You'd think that since they believe the bible is the source of all truth and all they might actually, you know, read it?
Maybe the Atheist Forum should be re-named "Free bible study lessons for reading-challenged christians".
Studies have shown that Atheists and Agnostics have a greater knowledge of the bible on average, than most Christians
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/2...

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#215 Dec 5, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
"Your Jeebus fello had plenty
of opportunities to condemn slavery" :-)
Rambling group of unsupported generalization but funny.
Too bad you missed a chance to show us a scripture in which your loving God condemns slavery.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#216 Dec 5, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
what an idiotic argument! Slavery is a case of humanity against humanity. The strong against the weak, poverty against wealth, abuse of the defeated by the conqueror, end of RESPECT, end of humanity. WE have progressed far, in time and places,'slavery's still practiced in secret out of ignorance. Our society is keeping an eye on that case if ,only, for exaggeration.
We have progressed in spite of books like the bible which support and uphold slavery.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#217 Dec 5, 2013
cradel cath wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't disregard. We live by and worship the NT. Who was mad at us for no reasons. I'm sure you can find them out with your biblical knowledge and expansive reading skills.
Both the OT and the NT are barbaric. The OT is just more barbaric. You Christians like to play a game of musical chairs with the OT. You guys love to talk about things such as Adam and Eve or Genesis, but when us atheists point out the barbarism of the OT, you guys disavow it. But that is okay because there is plenty of barbarism in the NT as well.

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