Indonesia: christian pastor - fraud and money laundering
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Since: Sep 10
#1 Mar 2, 2013
Another day, another christian caught with his hand in the cookie jar (and/or a child's pants).
In this case, the pastor was caught stealing and laundering 4,700,000,000,000 Indonesian Rupiah, or about US$485 million. I guess the more desperate and impoverished the people are, the easier it is to trick them. That certainly explains the catholic cult's wealth and the third world.
Here's the original news link, and google translation:
#2 Mar 2, 2013
More evidence (if any were needed) that religionists aren't any more moral than atheists. I don't know that religionists are more greedy or criminal though.
Catholic priest celibacy may have inticed many paedopiles to join there numbers. I don't put much store in 'extrapalated' figures like these...
"10% of Catholic Priests Were Pedophiles and Still Counting, 20 to 200 Times More Than General Population"
That many? Really? Hmmm.
but perhaps defences like these could be just as biased?..
"Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy. This figure, cited in the book Pedophiles and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia.."
Only 0.3% have been identified, but there is some evidence that the Vatican has been intent on protecting some. So, who knows?..
Priests are role models.(God help us!:-)
Intuitively, if you provide a position of trust, such as priest, demand total celibacy and give access to (and authority over) minors, the position might be likely to attract paedophiles.
Since: Sep 10
#3 Mar 2, 2013
Wrong. Cultists say crap to justify their crimes, like:
"I can pray and be forgiven!"
"satan tempted me! It's not my fault! I'm a good christian!"
"god wants me to do this!"
And so on. Religion makes is easier to commit and rationalize crime, which makes them more likely to do it, not equally likely, and they use it that way. NOT having religion IS more ethical, because people do and must take responsibility for their own actions, not make excuses.
I consider it valid. A recent Australian study said 1 in 20, about 5%. Multiple reports from the US and Europe said 1 in 25, or 4%. Averaging out all the claims, that's the number I'd consider right 4%, which is waayyyyyyy higher than the general population, and far higher than the catholic cult's propaganda.
This link doesn't site a source, but claims about 3% of all people are pedophiles. Even if catholic priests are 4%, that's still higher than average and a sign that religion is the problem.
What constantly gets ignored is who gets entrusted to pedophiles. How many times have you heard people say they wouldn't want a man in charge of young girls (i.e. girl scouts), yet had no problem with a male "father figure" (i.e. boy scouts)? The only reason pedophiles go for boys in boys-only situation is because that's all they can get their filthy hands on. They would get into the girl scouts if they could.
Pedophiles are overwhelmingly straight, not gay. Most victim selection is about availability, not preference. Prepubescent boys are feminine in appearance, so a pedophile who goes after kids under 12 is probably thinking female, regardless of the victim's gender.
Reputable studies (see the link) show that among victims, 25.3% of girls are molested, or about 1 in 4. It also says that 7.9% of boys are molested, or about 1 in 13. If "gays are pedophiles", why would they prefer girls? The only way that 7.9% could indicate a preference for boys is if boys make up 80% of children, but they don't. Genders are a 50%/50% split (except in countries with selective abortion, like India, South Korea or China). Unless someone is complete idiot or making up excuses to promote hate against gays, they have to admit the numbers don't add up.
The profile of pedophiles by REPUTABLE (i.e. scientific groups, NOT religious groups) says that a typical pedophile will be socially conservative, heterosexual, and incapable of holding functional adult relationships (e.g. multiple marriages).
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