“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1906 Jun 25, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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As I can see, you must have been just too happy during the Jewish Holocaust under the Nazis probably because the Jews were under their natural position to be tramped by the Gentiles. Hey, wake up!
Not at all. The Jews would have been completely justified in defending themselves against the oppressing Germans. But in the same way, the Palestinians are justified in defending themselves against the oppressive Israelis. I see little difference.
Israel is composed of a different kind of Jews who know how to defend themselves.
If that was all they did, then there would be no problem. But they are oppressing those people who were there before them. In particular, they consciously and deliberately keep the Palestinian economy unfunctional.
This, the Gentiles don't like and call them "oppressors of others." You are probably frustrated that we don't give up our Land to be rather oppressed by them.
You took the lands from those who were already there. Your claims to a 2000 year inheritance are irrelevant.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1908 Jun 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Not at all. The Jews would have been completely justified in defending themselves against the oppressing Germans. But in the same way, the Palestinians are justified in defending themselves against the oppressive Israelis. I see little difference.
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If that was all they did, then there would be no problem. But they are oppressing those people who were there before them. In particular, they consciously and deliberately keep the Palestinian economy unfunctional.
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You took the lands from those who were already there. Your claims to a 2000 year inheritance are irrelevant.
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No offense meant Polymath, but this of yours is simply ignorance of History. Before 1948 which was the year when the Jewish State was proclaimed There were so many Jews in Israel as being the majority in some cities. Jerusalem for example. When the Romans forced the Jewish People into exile do you think they expelled every single Jew? Wrong again if you think so. More peasant Jews stayed in the Land than were exiled from the Land. And only 700 years later the Arabs came. So stop this nonsense that we took "their" land because you are only giving credit to historical lies. Besides, much of the land was paid for to "Palestinians" trying to make some easy money. And guess what? Sometimes the Jews had to pay twice the local settler and the absentee owner who was living abroad in another Arab country who showed up with a claim "proved" with papers.
If you like the truth there you have a piece of it.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1909 Jun 27, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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No offence meant Shibolet but refusing to respond to questions posed solely in direct response to your own bluster and lies is simple ignorance.

So can I assume that you display your ignorance so openly because you have no defence for the child murder and human rights violations do documented and performed by the Israeli army against the Palestinians.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1910 Jul 1, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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No offence meant Shibolet but refusing to respond to questions posed solely in direct response to your own bluster and lies is simple ignorance.
So can I assume that you display your ignorance so openly because you have no defence for the child murder and human rights violations do documented and performed by the Israeli army against the Palestinians.
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Prove your lies.
Thinking

York, UK

#1911 Jul 1, 2013
There is no defence.

israel needs to understand that its troubled past does not give it a free pass to kill civilians.
ChristineM wrote:
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No offence meant Shibolet but refusing to respond to questions posed solely in direct response to your own bluster and lies is simple ignorance.
So can I assume that you display your ignorance so openly because you have no defence for the child murder and human rights violations do documented and performed by the Israeli army against the Palestinians.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1912 Jul 1, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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No offense meant Polymath, but this of yours is simply ignorance of History. Before 1948 which was the year when the Jewish State was proclaimed There were so many Jews in Israel as being the majority in some cities. Jerusalem for example. When the Romans forced the Jewish People into exile do you think they expelled every single Jew? Wrong again if you think so. More peasant Jews stayed in the Land than were exiled from the Land. And only 700 years later the Arabs came.
*Only* 700 years? And then 1200 years later they come back to reclaim that land? And you call *that* a justifiable claim? Really?
So stop this nonsense that we took "their" land because you are only giving credit to historical lies. Besides, much of the land was paid for to "Palestinians" trying to make some easy money. And guess what? Sometimes the Jews had to pay twice the local settler and the absentee owner who was living abroad in another Arab country who showed up with a claim "proved" with papers.
If you like the truth there you have a piece of it.
Want to discuss the ethics of the Balfour declaration? How about the terrorism of Menachem Begin and the King David Hotel?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1913 Jul 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Prove your lies.
No lies, just proof and I provided links to that proof, several times, which I really must say, is considerably more than you have ever done.

You are completely free to IGNORE that evidence if that what your deliberate ignorance dictates, it is after all your own conscience you are deluding.

Personally I have no tolerance for deliberate ignorance

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1914 Jul 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
There is no defence.
israel needs to understand that its troubled past does not give it a free pass to kill civilians.
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This is true, as a state they are more or less out on their own, even the US is having second thoughts and the UN has produced so many resolutions against Israel’s inhumane actions that I really would have thought that even the most incredulous Zionist would have noticed

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Since: Nov 10

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#1915 Jul 2, 2013
Oops I double clicked

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1916 Jul 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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*Only* 700 years? And then 1200 years later they come back to reclaim that land? And you call *that* a justifiable claim? Really?
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Want to discuss the ethics of the Balfour declaration? How about the terrorism of Menachem Begin and the King David Hotel?
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Polymath, I think you can do better by sticking with Mathematics. Political History is not your forte. You sing your song of victory as if the we lost our right to the Land for having been away for 1200 years. The Jews never left Israel on their own free will. They were forced to live their own land after 3000 years. Give us some credit would you? The Arabs had never been there till the 7th Century and their own claim was based on conquest. Just like the Americans who took the Land of the native Indians and pushed them into reservation camps. And by the way, we did not take the Land from them but from the British who were at the time the occupation forces. I think we better leave the issue alone because I don't want to charge you with being a Jew-hater or anti-Semite. Your judgment of the Jews is too infected with disgusting preconceived notions. How about going back to Cosmology?

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#1917 Jul 5, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Polymath, I think you can do better by sticking with Mathematics. Political History is not your forte. You sing your song of victory as if the we lost our right to the Land for having been away for 1200 years. The Jews never left Israel on their own free will. They were forced to live their own land after 3000 years. Give us some credit would you? The Arabs had never been there till the 7th Century and their own claim was based on conquest. Just like the Americans who took the Land of the native Indians and pushed them into reservation camps. And by the way, we did not take the Land from them but from the British who were at the time the occupation forces. I think we better leave the issue alone because I don't want to charge you with being a Jew-hater or anti-Semite. Your judgment of the Jews is too infected with disgusting preconceived notions. How about going back to Cosmology?
You are the hater here

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1918 Jul 8, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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You are the hater here
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Prove it! Because as far as I am concerned, if you cannot prove it I'll take it that you meant to say that you too are one of the hate-mongers as a result of historical ignorance.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1919 Jul 8, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Polymath, I think you can do better by sticking with Mathematics. Political History is not your forte. You sing your song of victory as if the we lost our right to the Land for having been away for 1200 years. The Jews never left Israel on their own free will. They were forced to live their own land after 3000 years. Give us some credit would you? The Arabs had never been there till the 7th Century and their own claim was based on conquest. Just like the Americans who took the Land of the native Indians and pushed them into reservation camps. And by the way, we did not take the Land from them but from the British who were at the time the occupation forces. I think we better leave the issue alone because I don't want to charge you with being a Jew-hater or anti-Semite. Your judgment of the Jews is too infected with disgusting preconceived notions. How about going back to Cosmology?
On the contrary, I respect much about the Jewish culture. The emphasis on education, for example. The ability to survive against all odds is another. What I dislike is Zionism.

No, a 2000 year old claim to land is invalid and should be summarily dismissed. The Arabs were on the land when a *new* wave of Jewish immigration became a problem in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The British promised the land to both sides for their own reasons. Then, after WWII, the Jews took over the land without the consent of the owners. At this point, that is a fait acompli. But that does NOT excuse the rank oppression of those in the Palestinian territories. As I see it, Israel is doing *exactly* what the Nazis did: creating a ghetto for the purposes of oppression.

Sure, let's go back to cosmology.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#1920 Jul 8, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Prove it! Because as far as I am concerned, if you cannot prove it I'll take it that you meant to say that you too are one of the hate-mongers as a result of historical ignorance.
check your posts hater!
Thinking

York, UK

#1921 Jul 8, 2013
That's not how proof works.
Shibolet wrote:
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Prove it! Because as far as I am concerned, if you cannot prove it I'll take it that you meant to say that you too are one of the hate-mongers as a result of historical ignorance.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1922 Jul 9, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Prove it! Because as far as I am concerned, if you cannot prove it I'll take it that you meant to say that you too are one of the hate-mongers as a result of historical ignorance.
The evidence is in EVERY hateful post you make

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1923 Jul 9, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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On the contrary, I respect much about the Jewish culture. The emphasis on education, for example. The ability to survive against all odds is another. What I dislike is Zionism.
No, a 2000 year old claim to land is invalid and should be summarily dismissed. The Arabs were on the land when a *new* wave of Jewish immigration became a problem in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The British promised the land to both sides for their own reasons. Then, after WWII, the Jews took over the land without the consent of the owners. At this point, that is a fait acompli. But that does NOT excuse the rank oppression of those in the Palestinian territories. As I see it, Israel is doing *exactly* what the Nazis did: creating a ghetto for the purposes of oppression.
Sure, let's go back to cosmology.
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All right, you don't have to answer this one. I have come to the conclusion that to fight Anti-Semitism is the same as to fight faith. From now on no answer to this kind of subject.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1924 Jul 9, 2013
Thinking wrote:
That's not how proof works.
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I agree but then the hostile assertion becomes a slander.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#1925 Jul 9, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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I agree but then the hostile assertion becomes a slander.
Now you are a liar and hater
Thinking

York, UK

#1926 Jul 9, 2013
Then that's still not how proof works.

BTW You probably meant libel, not slander.
Shibolet wrote:
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I agree but then the hostile assertion becomes a slander.

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