Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1763 Mar 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Many feel the same way about the holocaust.
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Only anti-Semites because we still have eyewitnesses who underwent the terror of the Holocaust. What kind of witness do you have for the big bang event?

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1764 Mar 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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The Hubble diagram
The Red Shift of distant stars and galaxies
The CMB.
All these indicate one scenario, our universe was once smaller than it is now. However the scientific theory does not say that at some time in the past "all things were concentrated in a point”. That’s what you think it says, so you are not arguing against the real theory but your belief of what that theory says.
And of course nucleosynthesis indicates a colossal and violent event.
This is of course typical Ben, living under the mistaken impression that everyone sees things on his particular terms. For your edification (not that it will do any good)– if there is no actual proof of the event but there is evidence to indicate a situation, the plausibility and probability of that situation is considered and weighed against other evidence. The BB “was” considered to be the most likely scenario and is currently among the general population the most popular. That does not mean it is the only scenario, see the ekpyrotic scenario and as far as I know there are around 30 other valid possibilities.
The evidence shows that the universe is expanding, meaning that yesterday it was smaller than it is now and a week ago it was smaller still and 13.7 billion years ago it was (probably) tiny.
The expansion can be shown using any of the methods/evidences listed above, unlike god who can’t be shown by any method, scientific or otherwise.
Note that you are the one claiming to believe in probability, but I suppose only when that probability suites your sensibilities.
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No, I do not believe in probability only when it suits my sensibilities. I believe in the probability of the big bang and it does not suit my sensibilities. I strongly believe in the Creator of the universe not because it suits my sensibilities but because it sounds logic if not for any other reason, by default it does.

Now, with regards to the expansion of the universe, before using Einstein and Jesus to confirm what suits my sensibilities, I already thought that it made a lot of sense that the universe continuously expands. Now, just a word about what I said of Einstein and Jesus. While Einstein in answer given to a question if he believed in God, he said that all his life was trying to catch God at His work of creation which he implied expansion. And for Jesus, he did declare that God has never ceased working as he also implied the expansion of the universe.(John 5:17)
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#1765 Mar 12, 2013
More reliable ones.
Shibolet wrote:
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Only anti-Semites because we still have eyewitnesses who underwent the terror of the Holocaust. What kind of witness do you have for the big bang event?

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#1766 Mar 12, 2013

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1767 Mar 13, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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No, I do not believe in probability only when it suits my sensibilities. I believe in the probability of the big bang and it does not suit my sensibilities. I strongly believe in the Creator of the universe not because it suits my sensibilities but because it sounds logic if not for any other reason, by default it does.
Now, with regards to the expansion of the universe, before using Einstein and Jesus to confirm what suits my sensibilities, I already thought that it made a lot of sense that the universe continuously expands. Now, just a word about what I said of Einstein and Jesus. While Einstein in answer given to a question if he believed in God, he said that all his life was trying to catch God at His work of creation which he implied expansion. And for Jesus, he did declare that God has never ceased working as he also implied the expansion of the universe.(John 5:17)
Thank you for confirming this weeks views, that it was not quite as you explained yourself previously
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Last sentence –
“I don't believe in anything by faith but all on the basis of the concept of probability.”

So you are saying you don’t really know what you are saying, fair enough

You also said
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
“The big bang is no less a bullshit if you cannot prove it.“

And I proved the futility of your statement made from ignorance of the “big bang” theory.

Einstein said a lot of things, he was fond of quoting the word "God" as a poetic metaphor, his most recent posthumous success was a letter sold for over 3 million dollars in which he stated.:-
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish”

He also said at a different time.:-

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it”

These statements are documented, however jesus did not declare any such thing, there is no documented evidence that jesus actually existed. In fact there is considerable documented evidence that he did not, certainly in the guise he is portrayed in the babble. I believe we have discussed this before when you wore your incredulous Ben sock.

As for implying anything, see previous paragraph (you cannot imply if you don’t exist) and follow it up with the world view of the universe in the bronze and early iron age, the time the babble was written. The bible also claims a talking snake, it cannot make up it’s mind on the creation of humans, humans living hundreds of years, a flood that never happened and a magic trick that required a super nova at the gates of Sodom and Gomorrah to turn carbon into sodium chloride. If that particular magic trick took place not only would the earth be atoms, so would this part of our galaxy

You are claiming logic – sheesh,

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1768 Mar 13, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
Master of the complete bleeding obvious

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#1769 Mar 13, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Master of the complete bleeding obvious
It is true. Brits have no sense of humor.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#1770 Mar 13, 2013
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#1771 Mar 13, 2013
Lil ticked is merely an objectionable cu*t.
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Master of the complete bleeding obvious

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#1772 Mar 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Lil ticked is merely an objectionable cu*t.
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1773 Mar 13, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>It is true. Brits have no sense of humor.
Sure some have no sense of humour however I think you will find that most Brits are not impressed by the obvious or childish stupidity in adults

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

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#1774 Mar 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Lil ticked is merely an objectionable cu*t.
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Yup, common knowledge

Watched the Charlie Brooker skit this morning. The two speakers reminded me so much of the goddidt brigate you see in topix,“I can’t understand it so what’s wrong with him”
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#1775 Mar 13, 2013
"Mark Owen from Take That"

They're part of his production team and seem to be developing a cult following. In this context, I mean cult in a good way.

They also review Attenborough's Africa and the Harlem Shake in a similarly ignorant manner. Many posters here wouldn't see it as a parody.
ChristineM wrote:
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Yup, common knowledge
Watched the Charlie Brooker skit this morning. The two speakers reminded me so much of the goddidt brigate you see in topix,“I can’t understand it so what’s wrong with him”

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1776 Mar 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
"Mark Owen from Take That"
They're part of his production team and seem to be developing a cult following. In this context, I mean cult in a good way.
They also review Attenborough's Africa and the Harlem Shake in a similarly ignorant manner. Many posters here wouldn't see it as a parody.
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I don’t watch it, not really the type of humour that will distract me from whatever else I’m doing but I must admit that Brian sketch was pretty ironic
Siro

Brisbane, Australia

#1777 Mar 13, 2013
The big bang started when ChristineM went naked to Brixton, the proof is available via a cuckoldpaul DVD. It goes for 50 pounds (just like her double chin)

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1778 Mar 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
More reliable ones.<quoted text>
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Yes, more reliable ones according to preconceived notions.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1779 Mar 13, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
That's inevitable.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1780 Mar 13, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for confirming this weeks views, that it was not quite as you explained yourself previously
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Last sentence –
“I don't believe in anything by faith but all on the basis of the concept of probability.”
So you are saying you don’t really know what you are saying, fair enough
You also said
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
“The big bang is no less a bullshit if you cannot prove it.“
And I proved the futility of your statement made from ignorance of the “big bang” theory.
Einstein said a lot of things, he was fond of quoting the word "God" as a poetic metaphor, his most recent posthumous success was a letter sold for over 3 million dollars in which he stated.:-
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish”
He also said at a different time.:-
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it”
These statements are documented, however jesus did not declare any such thing, there is no documented evidence that jesus actually existed. In fact there is considerable documented evidence that he did not, certainly in the guise he is portrayed in the babble. I believe we have discussed this before when you wore your incredulous Ben sock.
As for implying anything, see previous paragraph (you cannot imply if you don’t exist) and follow it up with the world view of the universe in the bronze and early iron age, the time the babble was written. The bible also claims a talking snake, it cannot make up it’s mind on the creation of humans, humans living hundreds of years, a flood that never happened and a magic trick that required a super nova at the gates of Sodom and Gomorrah to turn carbon into sodium chloride. If that particular magic trick took place not only would the earth be atoms, so would this part of our galaxy
You are claiming logic – sheesh,
The problem with you all and I means atheists is that you either do not understand what metaphorical language is or you would rather
have the Bible being literally interpreted by the common theist in order to keep them inferior to you vanities. Guess what? I am of the same opinion of Einstein that most of the Bible must be interepreted metaphorically so that God be not taken anthropomorphically.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#1781 Mar 13, 2013
I prefer the truth. Atheists and other minorities were also killed in the holocaust.
Shibolet wrote:
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Yes, more reliable ones according to preconceived notions.
Thinkers

United States

#1782 Mar 13, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Only anti-Semites because we still have eyewitnesses who underwent the terror of the Holocaust. What kind of witness do you have for the big bang event?
Carl Sagan was there.

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