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Chess Jurist wrote:
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No you're not, Ben.
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See?
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That is entirely up to you
However may I suggest college or university if you really want to benefit from education.
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Do they teach Atheism in college or university?

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Listen Bob, do you believe that your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grand mother existed? Yes,
you do. Would you tell me about her? No, you won't. But you do believe she existed. Yes, you do. What's the evidence that she did exist? Yourself alive today. If I went billions of great grand mothers back in time, would you still believe she existed? Yes. But evidence that God exists, you can't accept. No, you cannot. Even in spite of your existence today? Well... Well, did you swallow your tongue?
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Sorry to butt in but I have to say that as a guy who holds such store in the OT this seems to be something you have not actually thought through.

According to the babble there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to. According to evolution there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to. Hell, even according to the history of the universe there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to.

We have approximately 100 (Hundred) generations between Jesus of the NT and the present time assuming the average generation is 20 years.

According to Mathew (you claim to be knowledgeable of the babble) there are either 41 or 42 generations between Jesus and Abraham, he does seem to get confused here.

And Genesis gives 14 generations between Adam and Abraham

Work it out 14 + 41 + 100 Ė thatís approximately 155 generations to the beginning of mankind. So are you saying that mankind existed before Adam or that the babble account is total phooey?

Well, did you swallow your pride?

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Do they teach Atheism in college or university?
Some do (I just googled it). Can you imagine a course in atheism:-

Tutor : Do you believe in god?

Student : No

Tutor : Course over, you pass with a first

All the rest, the lies, contradictions and horrors of the babble, the way fundy religions try and debunk learning and freedom of speech, the way christians hate anyone not in there particular sect of christianity etc are just down to learning from personal experience.

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Sorry to butt in but I have to say that as a guy who holds such store in the OT this seems to be something you have not actually thought through.
According to the babble there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to. According to evolution there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to. Hell, even according to the history of the universe there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to.
We have approximately 100 (Hundred) generations between Jesus of the NT and the present time assuming the average generation is 20 years.
According to Mathew (you claim to be knowledgeable of the babble) there are either 41 or 42 generations between Jesus and Abraham, he does seem to get confused here.
And Genesis gives 14 generations between Adam and Abraham
Work it out 14 + 41 + 100 Ė thatís approximately 155 generations to the beginning of mankind. So are you saying that mankind existed before Adam or that the babble account is total phooey?
Well, did you swallow your pride?
Land of Nod. Man existed before Adam in the Bible.

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, In the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:28 - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: And have dominion...

Genesis 2:7 - And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:18 - And the Lord God said, It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a help mate for him.

Genesis 2:21 - And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2: 22 - And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

After Cain Kills Abel, he cries: "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me." (Gen-4:14) Where "every one" came from?

Then Cain run away, to Land of Nod, finds his wife, lived happily ever after."And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he built a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.(Gen 4-16, 17)

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Listen Bob, do you believe that your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grand mother existed? Yes,
you do. Would you tell me about her? No, you won't. But you do believe she existed. Yes, you do. What's the evidence that she did exist? Yourself alive today. If I went billions of great grand mothers back in time, would you still believe she existed? Yes. But evidence that God exists, you can't accept. No, you cannot. Even in spite of your existence today? Well... Well, did you swallow your tongue?
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You do know what a non sequitur is, right?

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<quoted text>Land of Nod. Man existed before Adam in the Bible.
Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, In the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:28 - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: And have dominion...
Genesis 2:7 - And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:18 - And the Lord God said, It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a help mate for him.
Genesis 2:21 - And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2: 22 - And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
After Cain Kills Abel, he cries: "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me." (Gen-4:14) Where "every one" came from?
Then Cain run away, to Land of Nod, finds his wife, lived happily ever after."And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he built a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.(Gen 4-16, 17)
Interpret it anyway you want, babble or evolution there were not EVER billions of generations as Ben suggests.

There is considerable confusion and various interpretations about the verses you cite

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, In the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Many christians interpret Gen 1:27 as the creation of the human race starting with Adam and Eve.(Genetic garbage but thatís the story so far)

Then in chapter 2 he does it again twice. The naturally misogynous and selective babble thumpers would rather think that god made a mistake (WHAT??? Steps back in amazement) first time and Adam was created in 2:7 and Eve in 2:22.

From either claim of Adam to now there have been around 155 generations, 55 recorded (RECORDED) and named in the babble and medically around 100 since year 1

As for your other two passages, irrelevant.

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Oct 17, 2012
 
ChristineM wrote:
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Interpret it anyway you want, babble or evolution there were not EVER billions of generations as Ben suggests.
There is considerable confusion and various interpretations about the verses you cite
Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, In the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Many christians interpret Gen 1:27 as the creation of the human race starting with Adam and Eve.(Genetic garbage but thatís the story so far)
Then in chapter 2 he does it again twice. The naturally misogynous and selective babble thumpers would rather think that god made a mistake (WHAT??? Steps back in amazement) first time and Adam was created in 2:7 and Eve in 2:22.
From either claim of Adam to now there have been around 155 generations, 55 recorded (RECORDED) and named in the babble and medically around 100 since year 1
As for your other two passages, irrelevant.
How are they irrelevant? How would Caine be able to go to the Land of Nod, get a wife, and have a kid if there was not other people outside of his parents?

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Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>How are they irrelevant? How would Caine be able to go to the Land of Nod, get a wife, and have a kid if there was not other people outside of his parents?
Because we were talking about great great grandmothers and generations and not biblical cockups

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ChristineM wrote:
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Because we were talking about great great grandmothers and generations and not biblical cockups
What ever

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As you say. In a different discussion your point would have been relevant but it was not a different discussion

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ChristineM wrote:
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Sorry to butt in but I have to say that as a guy who holds such store in the OT this seems to be something you have not actually thought through.
According to the babble there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to. According to evolution there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to. Hell, even according to the history of the universe there are not billions of great grand mothers to go back to.
We have approximately 100 (Hundred) generations between Jesus of the NT and the present time assuming the average generation is 20 years.
According to Mathew (you claim to be knowledgeable of the babble) there are either 41 or 42 generations between Jesus and Abraham, he does seem to get confused here.
And Genesis gives 14 generations between Adam and Abraham
Work it out 14 + 41 + 100 Ė thatís approximately 155 generations to the beginning of mankind. So are you saying that mankind existed before Adam or that the babble account is total phooey?
Well, did you swallow your pride?
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Christine, tell me, do you have any idea what the word hyperbolism stands for? I am asking because, after this post of yours above, I believe this word does not figure in your dictionary. Learnt people are allowed to speak in a hyperbolic manner. The good book brings a lot of hyperbolism. Oh! BTW, I have never said here that I am knowledgeable of the babble. Unless babble is also missing in your dictionary.

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ChristineM wrote:
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Some do (I just googled it). Can you imagine a course in atheism:-
Tutor : Do you believe in god?
Student : No
Tutor : Course over, you pass with a first
All the rest, the lies, contradictions and horrors of the babble, the way fundy religions try and debunk learning and freedom of speech, the way christians hate anyone not in there particular sect of christianity etc are just down to learning from personal experience.
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Tutor: Do you know about the age of the universe?
Student: No, the universe has always been in existence.
Tutor: Define the big bang.
Student: An explosion that gave origin to the universe.
Tutor: End of the course for you. You must go back to elementary school to learn what contrdiction stands for.

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You do know what a non sequitur is, right?
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Yes, non sequitur is to ask a question that has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. For example, when one asks what non sequitur is in the middle of a study about the probability for the existence of God.

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Christine, tell me, do you have any idea what the word hyperbolism stands for? I am asking because, after this post of yours above, I believe this word does not figure in your dictionary. Learnt people are allowed to speak in a hyperbolic manner. The good book brings a lot of hyperbolism. Oh! BTW, I have never said here that I am knowledgeable of the babble. Unless babble is also missing in your dictionary.
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Ahh yes hyperbolism

Sorry, did you say billions of great great grand mothers?

So we are assume it means self confessed learnt people are entitled to lie

Honey you cannot argue with facts so just give up

Babble : to talk idly, irrationally, excessively, or foolishly; chatter or prattle. No itís in my dictionary. It fact and truth in yours?

If I had time I would go back and check up on when you stated you had written about the babble. So you are saying that you wrote about it with no knowledge.

That of course explains you posts

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Ben_Masada wrote:
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Tutor: Do you know about the age of the universe?
Student: No, the universe has always been in existence.
Tutor: Define the big bang.
Student: An explosion that gave origin to the universe.
Tutor: End of the course for you. You must go back to elementary school to learn what contrdiction stands for.
Ben
Yes I guess thatís the sort of BS you could come up with, totally contradictory and irrelevant. Well done

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Oct 18, 2012
 
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Ben. Just an FYI
This from another thread
"- Skeptic - also known as
Bob of Quantum-Faith
Reason Personified
and many others who have come and gone.
He uses a technology called onion routing to make it appear that he is many people from different parts of the world.(also so he can evade bans and not get tracked down)
Stinking troll lives in his parent's basement and harasses people on Topix all day."
Creationist who fails at lying about science.

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Doctor Who Two wrote:
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From Nova:
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See http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... for full text
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What nova? I see no link or a date. You call that a reference?
This is a reference using a current link to just 30 scientist that prove you wrong in the area of cosmology and gravitation
http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/en/Scientifi...

And here are 12 scientists that prove you wrong in the field of Particle Physics
http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/en/Scientifi...

And here are 20 scientists who prove you wrong in the field of quantum gravity
http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/en/Scientifi...

And here is a link that you can search for current published works on any of the subject your post encroached on
http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/en/Scientifi...

And here is on that you may find useful when talking about particle physics
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/

And here is one you can consult when talking about the universe
http://www.nasa.gov/

Science has not yet found a unifying equation for gravity, they are working on it. As I have mentioned before and you seem to have ignored without even checking on the validity of what I said, the mathematics of Dr Param Singh has brought them closer to a solution.

Was the outdated article you copied published pre 2011? Because S. JAMES GATES, JR has been superseded by time or Mr Gates is admitting to a fundamental scientific error in implying that everywhere includes outside this universe or before this universe or in a different domain or different dimension. Einsteinís equations are valid in the atomic domain of this universe, not the quantum domain. The equations of quantum mechanics were never designed to be valid in the atomic domain. Everywhere is only everywhere in the domain in which they are valid.

However Dr Params Singhís recent breakthrough equation unify the quantum and the atomic domains. This means that the previously insurmountable infinities encountered as bot the atomic and quantum domains approach zero are cancelled out Ė effectively nulled, there is now a way to work with both the atomic and the quantum together. Not my fault that you are behind the times.

Re RIGHT/LEFT SIDE Ö

Because the theory of general relativity is not valid in the quantum domain and vixce versa, You could not use either quantum or atomic equations in the opposing domain up until recently, the infinities as both types of equation reached 0 were insurmountable. That did not mean black holes didnít happen, just that we DID NOT understand the infinities. Dr Param Singh has overcome that problem

BRIAN GREENE, yes, his thoughts of the quantum and atomic are now superseded by the work of Dr Param Singh. See his 2011 book The Hidden Reality: Parallel Universes and the Deep Laws of the Cosmos

According to a recent interview with Dr Niel Turok (Director of the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Research) the majority of scientists working in the field of cosmology now consider the Hubble idea to be impossible.

So what has all this to do with your claim that gravity would have prevented the universe form expanding? Gravity is by far the weakest of the universal forces with the next weakest force being a factor or 10^25 stronger than gravity

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Doctor Who Two wrote:
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Ben. Just an FYI
This from another thread
"- Skeptic - also known as
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Reason Personified
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He uses a technology called onion routing to make it appear that he is many people from different parts of the world.(also so he can evade bans and not get tracked down)
Stinking troll lives in his parent's basement and harasses people on Topix all day."
Ahh rather like you appear to be

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On this thread alone using the same outdated scientific arguments, same grammatical style, same person

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ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh yes hyperbolism
Sorry, did you say billions of great great grand mothers?
So we are assume it means self confessed learnt people are entitled to lie
Honey you cannot argue with facts so just give up
Babble : to talk idly, irrationally, excessively, or foolishly; chatter or prattle. No itís in my dictionary. It fact and truth in yours?
If I had time I would go back and check up on when you stated you had written about the babble. So you are saying that you wrote about it with no knowledge.
That of course explains you posts
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What explains my posts is that I can't get any answers. You have nothing to share which could be a contribution to learning. Sorry but so far, that's what the truth is.

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