The Myth of the Big Bang
leon_the_14

Auburn, Australia

#21 Jan 15, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
The religitards just keep attacking science thinking that it will somehow disprove or negate atheism. Just another sad attempt of the usual God Of The Gaps Fallacy.
Same could be said for the theory of evolution with the Missing Link Of The Gaps Fallacy.
wat wrote:
And if this "god" does exist there is no prove it would even care about humanity. We are just one planet out of trillions among trillions in this universe.
But how many of them are inhabited?
wat wrote:
god is simply a human explanation to questions that they didn't know about or understand at the time.
What does atheism offer if thats the case?
"Yet to be scientifically explained phenomena"?
wat wrote:
Example "god did it" People used to think back in the ancient times when volcanoes went off it was caused by the gods wrath. Some people today believe that god causes earthquakes and tsunamis.
Todays fashionable and politically correct explanation is "global warming"
wat wrote:
Yet all reasonable people know that there is no higher forces to these things and it's all part of nature. As humans understand the universe more and more the less likely there are no of god/gods.
Even nature had to have a point of origin.

For the supposed 'big bang' to occur there had to be fuel, oxygen and heat. If you were to say that all there is, is the physical then there would have to be physical components. But if there was nothing? Then how could this be?
There had to be one point of origin for the physical world as we know it, one that could bring forth the physical world with its nature and laws. This could only be done from design, to bring creation from the void.
Whether you like it or not, that point of origin is GOD.

http://www.authonomy.com/books/39750/creed-of...
Richard

Merrylands, Australia

#22 Jan 15, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Myth of the Big Bang
Before you jump into the conclusion that I am about to bash the believers of this myth, I need to bring to your attention that the title of this thread, I have borrowed it from the great Astrophysicist Carl Sagan in his book "Cosmos," page 258.
After going through some quotations about the myths of creation, Carl Sagan refers to them as tributes to human audacity, being the chief difference between them and "our modern scientific myth of the big bang, that science is self-questioning through the performance of experiments and observations to test our ideas." Never mind how a myth can be tested or experimented upon.
The bottom line is that it was rather magnanimous of Carl Sagan to admit the big bang as no more, no less, a myth, just like any other mythological account of creation, which, nevertheless, is "equally worthy our deep respect." Here, Carl Sagan implies, IMHO, that the concept of probability is as good as gold in both cases: Creation and the big bang.
There are two modalities of beliefs: To believe by faith, when we don't know much about what we believe in, and to believe on the basis of probability, when even imaginable things move from zero to some possibility. To believe by faith, which leads to a claim or denial of anything as a fact, Carl Sagan calls it audacity, while king David calls it foolishness.(Psalm 14:1)
No wonder some theists charge atheists with equal need of faith to believe or to deny as both do each other. So, the only solution to this predicament is to believe on the basis of the concept of probability. Thus, audacity and foolishness are replaced by wisdom.
Ben
LMAO
Cosmos: Carl Sagan Publication date 1980
Carl Sagan died December 20, 1996.
He was WRONG

Wrinkles in Time:George Smoot
ISBN-10: 0380720442 | ISBN-13: 978-0380720446 | Publication Date: October 1, 1994
That is 14 years after "COSMOS", proved beyond ALL doubt that the Big Bang was and is REAL.

So before you go making any more stupid comments check your facts.
Richard

Merrylands, Australia

#23 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
<quoted text>
Same could be said for the theory of evolution with the Missing Link Of The Gaps Fallacy.
<quoted text>
But how many of them are inhabited?
<quoted text>
What does atheism offer if thats the case?
"Yet to be scientifically explained phenomena"?
<quoted text>
Todays fashionable and politically correct explanation is "global warming"
<quoted text>
Even nature had to have a point of origin.
For the supposed 'big bang' to occur there had to be fuel, oxygen and heat. If you were to say that all there is, is the physical then there would have to be physical components. But if there was nothing? Then how could this be?
There had to be one point of origin for the physical world as we know it, one that could bring forth the physical world with its nature and laws. This could only be done from design, to bring creation from the void.
Whether you like it or not, that point of origin is GOD.
http://www.authonomy.com/books/39750/creed-of...
Thank you for showing the world you complete and utter ignorance of science. What are you six?
leon_the_14

Auburn, Australia

#24 Jan 15, 2012
Is that all you can say or do?
I made valid points, but that wouldn't matter to you would it?
You brain dead labor party sack of sh1t, go down to centrelink for your payment.
Maybe your infidel princess Gillard might pay you the big bucks before the refugees?
Nah..she won't, she knows you're of a baser character than them
Richard

Merrylands, Australia

#25 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
Is that all you can say or do?
I made valid points, but that wouldn't matter to you would it?
You brain dead labor party sack of sh1t, go down to centrelink for your payment.
Maybe your infidel princess Gillard might pay you the big bucks before the refugees?
Nah..she won't, she knows you're of a baser character than them
You made NO valid points as EVERYTHING you wrote is WRONG.
Even your above comments are totally WRONG.
leon_the_14

Auburn, Australia

#26 Jan 15, 2012
I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS TOO AND I DON'T NEED A MARXIST HANDOUT TO DO IT THOUGH YOU PROBABLY ENJOY THAT AUSTRALIANS ARE BEING INCREASINGLY TAXED FOR THE MYTH OF GLOBAL WARMING AND THAT ALL THAT MONEY IS EITHER SENT OFFSHORE OR IS BEING USED TO HOUSE SO CALLED REFUGEES IN 4 STAR HOTELS WHILE ELDERLY AND INCREASINGLY UNEMPLOYED AND BROKE MIDDLE CLASS AUSTRALIANS HAVE TO GO WITHOUT ELECTRICITY AND LOSE THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY CANNOT PAY THEIR MORTGAGE AND YOU WOULD ENJOY THIS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU GODLESS CRIMINALS ROLL WHILE YOU SING "THE INTERNATIONALE" AND PAT YOURSELVES ON THE BACK AND GLOAT WHAT TRAITORS YOU ARE TO YOUR NATION, RACE AND FAMILIES AND AS WELL AS TO THE CREATOR AND ONLY GOD.
Any money says you're a cuckold
Richard

Merrylands, Australia

#27 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS TOO AND I DON'T NEED A MARXIST HANDOUT TO DO IT THOUGH YOU PROBABLY ENJOY THAT AUSTRALIANS ARE BEING INCREASINGLY TAXED FOR THE MYTH OF GLOBAL WARMING AND THAT ALL THAT MONEY IS EITHER SENT OFFSHORE OR IS BEING USED TO HOUSE SO CALLED REFUGEES IN 4 STAR HOTELS WHILE ELDERLY AND INCREASINGLY UNEMPLOYED AND BROKE MIDDLE CLASS AUSTRALIANS HAVE TO GO WITHOUT ELECTRICITY AND LOSE THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY CANNOT PAY THEIR MORTGAGE AND YOU WOULD ENJOY THIS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU GODLESS CRIMINALS ROLL WHILE YOU SING "THE INTERNATIONALE" AND PAT YOURSELVES ON THE BACK AND GLOAT WHAT TRAITORS YOU ARE TO YOUR NATION, RACE AND FAMILIES AND AS WELL AS TO THE CREATOR AND ONLY GOD.
Any money says you're a cuckold
It is time for your meds.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#28 Jan 15, 2012
wat wrote:
<quoted text>
And if this "god" does exist there is no prove it would even care about humanity. We are just one planet out of trillions among trillions in this universe.
Exactly!

To presume that the Ultimate Creator of Everything is even aware of the infestation of life on Earth requires an ego of Jupiterian proportions.

And to presume that the Ultimate Creator cares what a mere mortal human has had for breakfast?

Requires an ego the size of the Sun...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#29 Jan 15, 2012
Justin wrote:
I think Carl Sagan would became a dedicated atheist with the tons of knowledge gained over the years.Why we are always debating God?What God are you referring to?What are you calling God?Often times the name God is misplace with Earths nature and the Universe.Its about time to realise God is a metaphor or a fantasy.Its not a word to be taken literally.Faith is not a word to be taken literally.These terms were used by an unintelligible age of man where questions were bigger than answers.Faith is not needed in the 21st century.
Agreed. We are long past the age where we need "goddidit" to "explain" things that go bump in the night.

We are more than capable of turning on the light, and >>seeing<< what things, and how they can bump.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#30 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
<quoted text>
Same could be said for the theory of evolution with the Missing Link Of The Gaps Fallacy.
WHAT "missing link"?

Where?

Do you have evidence, or are you just a parrot?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#31 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
But how many of them are inhabited?
Who can say?

It is certain, if people such as YOU are in charge?

WE WILL NEVER FIND OUT.

Because idiot-parrots such as YOU, simply say "goddidit" as a non-answer to EVERY question.

<meh>

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#32 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
Todays fashionable and politically correct explanation is "global
Only among the ignorant and foolish.

Scientists use the term "global climate change".

You really need to get out more.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#33 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
For the supposed 'big bang' to occur there had to be fuel, oxygen and heat.
Oh. My. Stars-and-Garters!

That is the FUNNIEST THING I HAVE EVER READ IN ... FOREVER!

You actually think.... you >>seriously<< think...

... the "big bang" was... like some sort of firecracker?

Oh... my!

That is... hilarious... ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ohmycatchmybreath ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh ho ho he he ha ha heh heh... that is too funny.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#34 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
Is that all you can say or do?
I made valid points, but that wouldn't matter to you would it?
You brain dead labor party sack of sh1t, go down to centrelink for your payment.
Maybe your infidel princess Gillard might pay you the big bucks before the refugees?
Nah..she won't, she knows you're of a baser character than them
Thank you for demonstrating how much hate and vileness you have within your head.

Such a FINE witness to your religion you are.

You help to prove that christianity is just an IGNORANT hate-cult after all.

Thanks!

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#35 Jan 15, 2012
Richard wrote:
<quoted text>
It is time for your meds.
I'd say past time-- more like time for the little people in white coats to bring him a lovely jacket with extra-long sleeves...
leon_the_14

Downer, Australia

#36 Jan 15, 2012
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
WHAT "missing link"?
Where?
Do you have evidence, or are you just a parrot?
So you're saying that humans came from chimps?
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Who can say?
It is certain, if people such as YOU are in charge?
WE WILL NEVER FIND OUT.
Because idiot-parrots such as YOU, simply say "goddidit" as a non-answer to EVERY question.
<meh>
I simply asked how many of them are inhabited and all you do is go on a rant. I would say that we would never find out if people like you are in charge because you are more interested in global governance and politics. As seen around the world as your brutha socialists and one worlders take money out of the economies of the people to line your pockets.
Where would anyone state "goddidit" to a question about whether there was life on other planets?
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Only among the ignorant and foolish.
Scientists use the term "global climate change".
You really need to get out more.
Whether it is called "global climate change" or "global warming" it is the same thing. The same "remedies" apply to it (like 'progressive' taxation a la karl marx as well as depopulation with a stone age economy...but not for the likes of you)
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
You actually think.... you >>seriously<< think...

... the "big bang" was... like some sort of firecracker?

An explosion would be a reasonable scenario to try and explain dispersal of matter as well as formation of new matter in this myth.
OK, so tell me why it is called the 'big bang'and how did it occur?
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Thank you for demonstrating how much hate and vileness you have within your head.

Such a FINE witness to your religion you are.

You help to prove that christianity is just an IGNORANT hate-cult after all.

Thanks!

Did I say I was a Christian?
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd say past time-- more like time for the little people in white coats to bring him a lovely jacket with extra-long sleeves...

And this is your true nature, bring back the worst days of the Soviet Union where those who don't agree with your 'philosophy' are arrested, taken to mental hospitals cum re-education camps where they are injected with kerosene until they conform

http://www.authonomy.com/books/39750/creed-of...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#37 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're saying that humans came from chimps?
Nope. That would be quite silly, wouldn't it?

A chimp is not a human, is it? They are separate species.

However.

If you go back >>millions<< of years into the past? At some point, there are NO chimps and NO humans at all!

What you have instead? Is the common ancestor to each.

This is basic biology, dude-- you REALLY need to get at least an 8th grade education.

Seriously.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#38 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
I simply asked how many of them are inhabited and all you do is go on a rant.
Of course! Your nonsensical question is deliberately designed to misinform.

That is what your sort does: you lie, you manipulate, you cheat.

All in the name of your monster-god.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#39 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
I would say that we would never find out if people like you are in charge because you are more interested in global governance and politics.
Oh, how nice!

You are now telepathic too!

You PRESUME to KNOW what I think with regards to politics....!

Wow.

Your ego is literally monstrous!

Why don't you ask your god what my political views actually are?

Hmmm?

After all: You think "goddidit" is an ... answer.

<laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#40 Jan 15, 2012
leon_the_14 wrote:
Where would anyone state "goddidit" to a question about whether there was life on other planets?
That would be... you.

You think "goddidit" is an actual answer to questions.

As if.

I have some bad news for you: your myth-god is not really real.

Silly boy.

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