The Myth of the Big Bang

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#1 Jan 13, 2012
The Myth of the Big Bang

Before you jump into the conclusion that I am about to bash the believers of this myth, I need to bring to your attention that the title of this thread, I have borrowed it from the great Astrophysicist Carl Sagan in his book "Cosmos," page 258.

After going through some quotations about the myths of creation, Carl Sagan refers to them as tributes to human audacity, being the chief difference between them and "our modern scientific myth of the big bang, that science is self-questioning through the performance of experiments and observations to test our ideas." Never mind how a myth can be tested or experimented upon.

The bottom line is that it was rather magnanimous of Carl Sagan to admit the big bang as no more, no less, a myth, just like any other mythological account of creation, which, nevertheless, is "equally worthy our deep respect." Here, Carl Sagan implies, IMHO, that the concept of probability is as good as gold in both cases: Creation and the big bang.

There are two modalities of beliefs: To believe by faith, when we don't know much about what we believe in, and to believe on the basis of probability, when even imaginable things move from zero to some possibility. To believe by faith, which leads to a claim or denial of anything as a fact, Carl Sagan calls it audacity, while king David calls it foolishness.(Psalm 14:1)

No wonder some theists charge atheists with equal need of faith to believe or to deny as both do each other. So, the only solution to this predicament is to believe on the basis of the concept of probability. Thus, audacity and foolishness are replaced by wisdom.

Ben

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#2 Jan 14, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
nothing worth quoting
Another day, another religitard spammer. Don't you have animals to sexually molest, or some people to justify murdering for your "god"?

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#3 Jan 14, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Myth of the Big Bang
Before you jump into the conclusion that I am about to bash the believers of this myth, I need to bring to your attention that the title of this thread, I have borrowed it from the great Astrophysicist Carl Sagan in his book "Cosmos," page 258.
After going through some quotations about the myths of creation, Carl Sagan refers to them as tributes to human audacity, being the chief difference between them and "our modern scientific myth of the big bang, that science is self-questioning through the performance of experiments and observations to test our ideas." Never mind how a myth can be tested or experimented upon.
The bottom line is that it was rather magnanimous of Carl Sagan to admit the big bang as no more, no less, a myth, just like any other mythological account of creation, which, nevertheless, is "equally worthy our deep respect." Here, Carl Sagan implies, IMHO, that the concept of probability is as good as gold in both cases: Creation and the big bang.
There are two modalities of beliefs: To believe by faith, when we don't know much about what we believe in, and to believe on the basis of probability, when even imaginable things move from zero to some possibility. To believe by faith, which leads to a claim or denial of anything as a fact, Carl Sagan calls it audacity, while king David calls it foolishness.(Psalm 14:1)
No wonder some theists charge atheists with equal need of faith to believe or to deny as both do each other. So, the only solution to this predicament is to believe on the basis of the concept of probability. Thus, audacity and foolishness are replaced by wisdom.
Ben
So Ben what is your myth?

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#4 Jan 14, 2012
Spam from a troll.
Nothing new. As soon as I saw who the originator of the thread was, I stopped reading.

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#5 Jan 14, 2012
The religitards just keep attacking science thinking that it will somehow disprove or negate atheism. Just another sad attempt of the usual God Of The Gaps Fallacy.

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#6 Jan 14, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
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Another day, another religitard spammer. Don't you have animals to sexually molest, or some people to justify murdering for your "god"?
And another expert in adhominems. That's what should be considered a spammer: Your post above. You should consult a head shrink. Your suggestion must be related to have been sexually abused as an infant. And now, just like Christians, you have learned to accuse us of having murdered Jesus. Have a grip at yourself, for heaven's sake!
Ben

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#7 Jan 14, 2012
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>So Ben what is your myth?
Today it is about your myth, according to Carl Sagan. Perhaps you don't like him for having referred himself to the big bang as a myth. Don't you have anything to say against his statement?
Ben

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

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#8 Jan 14, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Today it is about your myth, according to Carl Sagan. Perhaps you don't like him for having referred himself to the big bang as a myth. Don't you have anything to say against his statement?
Ben
Nope! Could give a sh1t less about his thoughts.

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#9 Jan 14, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
Spam from a troll.
Nothing new. As soon as I saw who the originator of the thread was, I stopped reading.
If now I am a troll because I had taken some time off, I think I enjoy the right to go abroad from time to time. It was abroad that I read the "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan, and now I am sharing with you guys, the pronouncement of a famous Astrophysicist. I am sure you didn't like it. You can check page 285 of "Cosmos" if you wanna add anything to it.
Ben

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#10 Jan 14, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Today it is about your myth,
Ben
By the way what is my myth?

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#11 Jan 14, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
The religitards just keep attacking science thinking that it will somehow disprove or negate atheism. Just another sad attempt of the usual God Of The Gaps Fallacy.
And I didn't even say anything about God or what and how theists believe. My whole thread is about the magnanimous attitude of Carl
Sagan about the big bang as a myth, which places it within the concept of probability to have happened and not as an item of faith as fundamentalistic theists believe. So far, the atheistic reaction to it only proves I am right.
Ben

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#12 Jan 14, 2012
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>Nope! Could give a sh1t less about his thoughts.
Why, because you can't conceive the thought that such a famous Astrophysicist could put in doubt the feasibility of the big bang?
Come on! Let us act mature for once in a lifetime. You still can believe in the big bang. Don't Christians believe that Jesus is god without understanding how? That's a matter of faith. No harm done.
Ben

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#13 Jan 14, 2012
Ben is a well known troll. He goes out of his way to come into the Atheism Forum on occasion and create a new thread with whatever his latest misunderstanding obsesses on.

He's now taken an old book by Sagan (a well known atheist) and thinks it somehow matters to today's astrophysicists.

Best not to feed the troll and just let another of Ben's displays of stupidity fade away.

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#14 Jan 14, 2012
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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By the way what is my myth?
Isn't the same as Carl Sagan's? Aren't you an atheist? The difference is that Carl Sagan did not believe in anything by faith
but on the basis of the concept of probability.
Ben

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#15 Jan 14, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
Ben is a well known troll. He goes out of his way to come into the Atheism Forum on occasion and create a new thread with whatever his latest misunderstanding obsesses on.
He's now taken an old book by Sagan (a well known atheist) and thinks it somehow matters to today's astrophysicists.
Best not to feed the troll and just let another of Ben's displays of stupidity fade away.
There are two things atheists profess to be experts at: The first is to show no bounderies in ad hominems. And the second is an aversion to the idea that probably God could exist. That's what I call, to believe by faith: When some one is sure about something he does not know. That's common among theists and atheists.
Ben

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#16 Jan 14, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Myth of the Big Bang
Oh... please.

Not this sh1t again.

Did you not get enough ~sskicking >>last<< time you dared to show your ignorant head around these parts?

You must be a glutton for punishment....!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#17 Jan 14, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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There are two things atheists profess to be experts at: The first is to show no bounderies in ad hominems. And the second is an aversion to the idea that probably God could exist. That's what I call, to believe by faith: When some one is sure about something he does not know. That's common among theists and atheists.
Ben
God may exist.

But.

It is highly unlikely that this "god" does exist.

Let me repeat that: It may exist, but so far? There is no reason to think It does exist.

Why?

Because of the complete and total lack of all objective evidence for this "god" of yours.

Just for starters.

As soon as you present >>evidence<< for this god?

You >>might<< have a case.

Might.

Begin:
wat

Downingtown, PA

#18 Jan 14, 2012
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
It is highly unlikely that this "god" does exist.
And if this "god" does exist there is no prove it would even care about humanity. We are just one planet out of trillions among trillions in this universe.
Justin

Mound, MN

#19 Jan 15, 2012
I think Carl Sagan would became a dedicated atheist with the tons of knowledge gained over the years.Why we are always debating God?What God are you referring to?What are you calling God?Often times the name God is misplace with Earths nature and the Universe.Its about time to realise God is a metaphor or a fantasy.Its not a word to be taken literally.Faith is not a word to be taken literally.These terms were used by an unintelligible age of man where questions were bigger than answers.Faith is not needed in the 21st century.
wat

Downingtown, PA

#20 Jan 15, 2012
Justin wrote:
I think Carl Sagan would became a dedicated atheist with the tons of knowledge gained over the years.Why we are always debating God?What God are you referring to?What are you calling God?Often times the name God is misplace with Earths nature and the Universe.Its about time to realise God is a metaphor or a fantasy.Its not a word to be taken literally.Faith is not a word to be taken literally.These terms were used by an unintelligible age of man where questions were bigger than answers.Faith is not needed in the 21st century.
god is simply a human explanation to questions that they didn't know about or understand at the time. Example "god did it" People used to think back in the ancient times when volcanoes went off it was caused by the gods wrath. Some people today believe that god causes earthquakes and tsunamis. Yet all reasonable people know that there is no higher forces to these things and it's all part of nature. As humans understand the universe more and more the less likely there are no of god/gods.

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