spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#1900 May 29, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>He healed her daughter (but that you would not accept, I suppose).
You are correct I do not accept the existence of faith healing. Miracles do not happen today amongst educated and civilised people. Claims of miracles are common amongst the superstitious and ignorant people of antiquity. I think it likely that a single miracle has never happended in the whole of history. This is a reasonable conclusion on the basis that the laws of nature do not appear to change, and claims of miracles are of a highly dubious nature.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1901 May 29, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]
So your dark matter is what causing the universe to expand by attraction?[/QUOTE]
No. Dark matter tends to slow the expansion just like ordinary matter does.
This would mean your dark matter is outside of the universe so it can attract matter to cause the expansion of the universe.
In other words dark matter does not exist in our universe.
If dark matter was in the universe and its attraction was stronger then gravity, the universe expansion would be slowing down or at least accelerating towards it.
Do you like being wrong so often?
98% of the universe is unknown.
So science is only sure about 2% of the universe. And yet you claim no God exist. 2%!!!!
Maybe that's why there is only 2% of the worlds population that are atheist?
YOU are the one that claims that 'God' is outside of the universe. And that is part of the problem. if the universe is everything that exists, then God is part of the universe. But then, God cannot make the universe, could he?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1902 May 29, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
"except for the fact that it doesn't interact with light (more specifically electromagnetic forces)"
EMF is not light. Not even close.
(By the way It's Electromotive Force)
"Electromotive force, also called emf[1](denoted and measured in volts), refers to voltage generated by a battery or by the magnetic force according to Faraday's Law, which states that a time varying magnetic field will induce an electric current.[2]
Electromotive "force" is not considered a force, as force is measured in newtons, but a potential, or energy per unit of charge, measured in volts.
In electromagnetic induction, emf can be defined around a closed loop as the electromagnetic work that would be transferred to a unit of charge if it travels once around that loop.[3](While the charge travels around the loop, it can simultaneously lose the energy via resistance into thermal energy.) For a time-varying magnetic flux impinging a loop, the electric potential scalar field is not defined due to circulating electric vector field, but nevertheless an emf does work that can be measured as a virtual electric potential around that loop.[4]"[/QUOTE]

OMG. You are incredibly stupid. You really should not post about things you don't know anything about because you make these basic mistakes.

Yes, light is an electromagnetic wave. And, for physicists, light includes radio, microwave, infrared, ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays in addition to visual light. Furthermore, photons (the particles associated with light) are the carriers of the electromagnetic force.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1903 May 29, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
"It always comes in as a repulsive term gravitationally and is the reason the expansion of the universe is accelerating"
You just posted that it is not a repulsive but attractions energy. Weird!
[/QUOTE]

Keep things straight, please. Dark *matter* is gravitationally attractive. Its density decreases with increasing volume just like ordinary matter.

Dark *energy* is what makes the expansion of the universe accelerate.

Very different things.

Since: May 13

Hightstown, NJ

#1904 May 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep things straight, please. Dark *matter* is gravitationally attractive. Its density decreases with increasing volume just like ordinary matter.
Dark *energy* is what makes the expansion of the universe accelerate.
Very different things.
poly, youre probably more up to date on this than me, but is your position that the universe is caused, or subcaused?

Since: May 10

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#1905 May 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are describing vision. Observation, as in scientific observation, is not nearly so restrictive.
You don't like the restrictive aspect of words.

That is convenient.

Free from that, you can say anything you damn well please.

Nobody has observed dark matter.

Of course, I am voluntarily restricting myself to the meaning of words.

See, the way it works is, if the meaning of the words you use do not fit the facts, then choose different words.

Example: An "atheist" is one who believes there are no gods.

If one has no belief on the matter, he should choose a different word which fits the facts.

Topix atheists recoil from such principle.

Since: Jun 07

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#1906 May 29, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't like the restrictive aspect of words.
That is convenient.
Free from that, you can say anything you damn well please.
Nobody has observed dark matter.
Of course, I am voluntarily restricting myself to the meaning of words.
See, the way it works is, if the meaning of the words you use do not fit the facts, then choose different words.
Example: An "atheist" is one who believes there are no gods.
If one has no belief on the matter, he should choose a different word which fits the facts.
Topix atheists recoil from such principle.
Will you ever stop lying about god being real, failed creationist troll?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1907 May 29, 2013
Ray puelerico wrote:
<quoted text>
poly, youre probably more up to date on this than me, but is your position that the universe is caused, or subcaused?
Uncaused.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#1908 May 29, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct I do not accept the existence of faith healing. Miracles do not happen today amongst educated and civilised people. Claims of miracles are common amongst the superstitious and ignorant people of antiquity. I think it likely that a single miracle has never happended in the whole of history. This is a reasonable conclusion on the basis that the laws of nature do not appear to change, and claims of miracles are of a highly dubious nature.
The nature of a miracle is by definition that the laws of nature are "bypassed". I do not dispute that there are many "fake" miracles claimed. These are often used in "advertising", and I would think mostly by "evangelists" that wish to attract people to their "services". For this very reason, I am very skeptical of anybody claiming a "miracle". Firstly check out whether his message is consistent with the Bible. Secondly check on his integrity as a person and thirdly see whether he stand to gain (usually financially) from this. Reminds me of Simon
Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,..
I think he saw that the opportunity to make a quick buck presented itself.
In the western society, we are mostly into physical stuff, whereas the Eastern religions are more into the spiritual world. There is a move afoot (even in certain Christian circles)to involve mysticism. The problem here is not only that it is a false religion, but also that people tend to rely on feelings and experiences rather than clear-headed thinking. The Bible encourages us to believe with mind as well.

I have personally only had one experience that was supernatural in a physical sense. It happened like this. I was lying in bed, reading a book (I think it was one of Oscar Wilde's collections) when I felt something on my arm. I looked and there was what seemed like a drop of blood on my arm. I looked up at the ceiling to see if maybe a kamakazi mosquito was to blame . Nothing. I turned to my wife and asked her to verify that what was on my arm was seemingly blood. She agreed. Then I wiped it from arm to see whether there was any cuts or something that could explain this. Nothing.
There is a condition called hermatidrosis (where people under extreme conditions "sweat" blood). I can assure you this was not the case as I was relaxing in bed with a book and as such normally half asleep as well.
The day my sins were forgiven was more on a spiritual level - but in that case it was definitely emotional - being convicted of my sin and asking God for forgiveness - and receiving it.
Then I was told by my father (a real down-to-earth guy) of his experience with an African male that caused woman to start dancing (they were some distance away) after casting his "dolosse" (bones from animals)
So, the supernatural exists, but it seems that it does not happen that often in our society at present. But if you are interested, I will contact a friend,,that has regular contact with the persecuted church to comment on this.
You may watch this on youtube
I do not know the person, but from his comments it seems that information mentioned in the video ties up with Scripture, but it also seems that he is a "new" Christian, not using the cliches that an indoctrinated/orchestrated is most likely to use.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1909 May 29, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't like the restrictive aspect of words.
That is convenient.
Free from that, you can say anything you damn well please.
Nobody has observed dark matter.
Of course, I am voluntarily restricting myself to the meaning of words.
Except, of course, that words have different meanings in different contexts. In the context of *science*, observation is much more general than 'seeing'.
See, the way it works is, if the meaning of the words you use do not fit the facts, then choose different words.
Example: An "atheist" is one who believes there are no gods.
Then what word would you suggest for someone who has no belief in the matter? Agnostics are those who don't think knowledge about the matter is possible, apatheists are those who just don't care, ignosticism is the idea that the concept of 'God' needs to be better defined before the question is meaningful.

The definition of 'atheist' has a wide range of meanings from simple lack of belief to actual belief that there is no God.

A brief introduction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
If one has no belief on the matter, he should choose a different word which fits the facts.
Topix atheists recoil from such principle.
On the contrary, language is dynamic and changes over time, so it is appropriate and reasonable to refine past definitions to better show the issues. Language also allows for different meanings in different contexts and modifications using adjectives or adverbs. So, it is possible to talk about weak atheism (simple lack of belief in deities) to strong atheism (an actual belief in the non-existence of deities) as well as having a range of belief between.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#1910 May 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
"wisdom"?
Can you name.... ONE such thing? In the bible, I mean, that is ..."wise"?
No?
Interesting...
You are welcome to study Proverbs.
Then I would suggest that the Creator of the world is wise. In our "advanced, scientific age" we still have to look at nature for inspiration. You will know that scientists study nature to imitate stuff from it. Example is for instance spider silk. So sorry, the scientists have not been able to get the artificial silk up to the standard of the real thing. Which, if you are an atheist, and believing in evolution, should make you somewhat dismal. I mean, all the technology available to us, experiments that are specifically directed at a predetermined outcome are outclassed by random, non-directional mutations. So much for our flock of scientists. Shame on them!
Air conditioning experts may even learn a couple of things from termites that are able to keep the temperature in a "building" relatively equal to the Empire State Building to within 1 degree of 31deg Celcius. Using the expertise learnt from the little critters, a building in Zimbabwe was constructed that amazingly use only 10% of the energy that a comparable building would use for heating/cooling purposes.
Amazing! Little ants teaches us a thing or two!
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1911 May 29, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Why call 6000 years a day?
[/QUOTE]A "day" can also be an age. You've also probably heard of the day for a year principle in scripture?
KJV

United States

#1912 May 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
An attempt to try and save face for science.
They found out that the universe expansion made no sense so they came up with the "DARK SIDE"
Wow are we ever impressed. Not. "

I'm not sure about impressions , but I'm pretty sure you are gargantuan stupid.
Dark matter has nothing to do with expansion, rather with how and why gravity works on a large scale.
Then you're dumb.
KJV

United States

#1913 May 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
"except for the fact that it doesn't interact with light (more specifically electromagnetic forces)"
EMF is not light. Not even close.
(By the way It's Electromotive Force)
"Electromotive force, also called emf[1](denoted and measured in volts), refers to voltage generated by a battery or by the magnetic force according to Faraday's Law, which states that a time varying magnetic field will induce an electric current.[2]
Electromotive "force" is not considered a force, as force is measured in newtons, but a potential, or energy per unit of charge, measured in volts.
In electromagnetic induction, emf can be defined around a closed loop as the electromagnetic work that would be transferred to a unit of charge if it travels once around that loop.[3](While the charge travels around the loop, it can simultaneously lose the energy via resistance into thermal energy.) For a time-varying magnetic flux impinging a loop, the electric potential scalar field is not defined due to circulating electric vector field, but nevertheless an emf does work that can be measured as a virtual electric potential around that loop.[4]""

You should try to be acquainted with basics, before engaging masters. At personal
risk of looking stupid , but wth? Why would you care if people think it? The visible is only a part of a greater thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_...
Your point?

You post the Electromagnetic spectrum when I was correcting Doc on using Electromagnetic force which is wrong because of the use of Electro and force not spectrum. The correct term is EMF

"Electromotive Force" Dolt.
KJV

United States

#1914 May 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Ummmm. Nope. "

Um Yes! and exactly.
Not at all. Nothing more then A-Myth.
KJV

United States

#1915 May 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]
So your dark matter is what causing the universe to expand by attraction?"

No. Dark matter tends to slow the expansion just like ordinary matter does.

[QUOTE] This would mean your dark matter is outside of the universe so it can attract matter to cause the expansion of the universe.
In other words dark matter does not exist in our universe.
If dark matter was in the universe and its attraction was stronger then gravity, the universe expansion would be slowing down or at least accelerating towards it."

Do you like being wrong so often?

[QUOTE]98% of the universe is unknown.
So science is only sure about 2% of the universe. And yet you claim no God exist. 2%!!!!
Maybe that's why there is only 2% of the worlds population that are atheist? "

YOU are the one that claims that 'God' is outside of the universe. And that is part of the problem. if the universe is everything that exists, then God is part of the universe. But then, God cannot make the universe, could he?
LOL

Next time don't bother responding we all know you level of ignorance.

What a joke!
KJV

United States

#1916 May 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
"except for the fact that it doesn't interact with light (more specifically electromagnetic forces)"
EMF is not light. Not even close.
(By the way It's Electromotive Force)
"Electromotive force, also called emf[1](denoted and measured in volts), refers to voltage generated by a battery or by the magnetic force according to Faraday's Law, which states that a time varying magnetic field will induce an electric current.[2]
Electromotive "force" is not considered a force, as force is measured in newtons, but a potential, or energy per unit of charge, measured in volts.
In electromagnetic induction, emf can be defined around a closed loop as the electromagnetic work that would be transferred to a unit of charge if it travels once around that loop.[3](While the charge travels around the loop, it can simultaneously lose the energy via resistance into thermal energy.) For a time-varying magnetic flux impinging a loop, the electric potential scalar field is not defined due to circulating electric vector field, but nevertheless an emf does work that can be measured as a virtual electric potential around that loop.[4]""

OMG. You are incredibly stupid. You really should not post about things you don't know anything about because you make these basic mistakes.

Yes, light is an electromagnetic wave. And, for physicists, light includes radio, microwave, infrared, ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays in addition to visual light. Furthermore, photons (the particles associated with light) are the carriers of the electromagnetic force.
electromagnetic spectrum:

EMR is classified according to the frequency of its wave. The electromagnetic spectrum, in order of increasing frequency and decreasing wavelength, consists of radio waves, microwaves, infrared radiation, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and gamma rays. The eyes of various organisms sense a somewhat variable but relatively small range of frequencies of EMR called the visible spectrum or light.

Now what Doc said:

The electromagnetic force is one of the four fundamental interactions in nature, the other three being the strong interaction, the weak interaction, and gravitation. This force is described by electromagnetic fields, and has innumerable physical instances including the interaction of electrically charged particles and the interaction of uncharged magnetic force fields with electrical conductors.

EMF

Electromotive force, also called emf[1](denoted and measured in volts), refers to voltage generated by a battery or by the magnetic force according to Faraday's Law, which states that a time varying magnetic field will induce an electric current.[2]

Electromotive "force" is not considered a force, as force is measured in newtons, but a potential, or energy per unit of charge, measured in volts.

In electromagnetic induction, emf can be defined around a closed loop as the electromagnetic work that would be transferred to a unit of charge if it travels once around that loop.[3](While the charge travels around the loop, it can simultaneously lose the energy via resistance into thermal energy.) For a time-varying magnetic flux impinging a loop, the electric potential scalar field is not defined due to circulating electric vector field, but nevertheless an emf does work that can be measured as a virtual electric potential around that loop.[4]

In a two-terminal device (such as an electrochemical cell or electromagnetic generator), the emf can be measured as voltage across the two open-circuited terminals. The created electrical potential difference drives current flow if a circuit is attached to the source of emf. When current flows, however, the voltage across the terminals of the source of emf is no longer the open-circuit value, due to voltage drops inside the device due to its internal resistance.

Don't be confused now. LOL

Dolt

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1917 May 29, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Your point?
You post the Electromagnetic spectrum when I was correcting Doc on using Electromagnetic force which is wrong because of the use of Electro and force not spectrum. The correct term is EMF
"Electromotive Force" Dolt.[/QUOTE]

What I *said* was that dark matter does not interact strongly with light and that, in fact, it does not interact via the E&M force. The *electro-motive force* is a very different thing, essentially the voltage of a circuit. That you don't know the difference only points to your complete ignorance of the subject. Photons, the particles of light, carry the E&M force.
KJV

United States

#1918 May 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
"It always comes in as a repulsive term gravitationally and is the reason the expansion of the universe is accelerating"
You just posted that it is not a repulsive but attractions energy. Weird!
"

Keep things straight, please. Dark *matter* is gravitationally attractive. Its density decreases with increasing volume just like ordinary matter.

Dark *energy* is what makes the expansion of the universe accelerate.

Very different things.
Dark energy is expanding the universe?

Dark matter is slowing the expansion?

Darth Vader is trying to take over the universe.

It's the Dark Side!!
KJV

United States

#1919 May 29, 2013
susanblange wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Why call 6000 years a day?
"

A "day" can also be an age. You've also probably heard of the day for a year principle in scripture?
That would be an era. Not a day.

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