Is the bible a fairy tale?

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#143 Apr 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Your post comes down to three things:
1) There are prophecies in the Bible.
2) The Bible mentions historical figures which are referenced elsewhere
3) The Bible refers to real places and real events.
Prophecies:
Biblical prophecies can be divided into the follow categories:
- Written about after the fact
- Acted out by people with knowledge of the prophecy
- Non-specific enough to mean anything
You can't have a book that contains both the prophecy and the fulfillment of the prophecy within it's history and expect us to take it seriously. The Harry Potter series contains a lot of prophecies that are fulfilled within the series. Greek Mythology is filled with prophecies which are fulfilled within the mythology. That doesn't mean that the stories as described are real.
People with fore knowledge of a prophecy can act out a prophecy without it being prophetic. If I made a prophecy that someone would climb to the top of the great pyramid and scream "Blue penguin!", it would not be prophetic if someone READ that and then went and did it. Most of the prophecies which get fulfilled in the New Testament but were laid down in the Old Testament fit this category.
Prophecies must be extremely specific to be considered valid. "A man will come carrying a burden. He will labor and people will be aware of him." That's NOT a good prophecy. That could apply to HALF the world population. Flowery language, or "when the prophecy says this it means that" are disqualifiers.
Historical:
Yes the Bible mentions people and places IN THE LOCATION AND TIME PERIOD in which the Bible was written. Harry Potter mentions London. The Iliad mentions Troy.
If the Bible mentioned the civilizations of N and S America despite the fact that the authors could not possibly have known about them, THEN you would have something.
People writing about people they know and places where they live is not evidence that they are divinely inspired. It's evidence that they live in that place and witnessed events that took place.
In fact, the Iliad is a BETTER example than the Bible. For centuries people believed the Iliad was pure fiction and that Troy never existed. There was never a time in which people didn't believe the Middle East existed.
Since the Iliad references a city which was unknown to modern people until we went out and found it, does that mean that the Iliad is 100% true? If so, then the Greek Gods are real.
If not, then your argument about the Bible is invalidated.
WRONG! Satan is filling your head with lies & delusion.
Until you ask God for 'Wisdom and Insight' you are never going to know the truth... The road to hell is wide, the road to 'heaven' is narrow. You absolutely have no idea of what you speak.

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#144 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I am far more educated than you-- for I recognize fiction when I read it-- and your bible is pure fiction.
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Oh, but I do understand your filth-- your posts represent extreme bigotry and religious ugliness.
No doubt oozing forth from your ugly beliefs.
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No-- it shows I am all too aware of how much hate you have for anyone NOT in your ugly club.
Bigotry is bigotry--even if you clothe it in "god".
For one to point out they far superior, clearly means there not!
You would most definitely loose $$$ on matched education's. All I have done is school and travel abroad...

I do not call you filth, as you are one of God's children, but I can see the filth in your words, and in your heart...

I don't hate anyone. One half of my close friends behind the scenes on here are non-believers.
I would have accepted you and your beliefs, or lack there of... even if you believed in toothpicks... You just wanted to attack me loving God!!!
ps I don't belong to a God club, that's just another delusion and lie! I belong to God and God alone... I also do not care what 'anyone' thinks, as God is my final judge...

1 Corinthians 4: 3-4
I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. It is the Lord who judges me.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#145 Apr 27, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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How petty...
Actually, it's not.

It's called pointing out irony and hypocrisy.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#146 Apr 27, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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WRONG! Satan is filling your head with lies & delusion.
Until you ask God for 'Wisdom and Insight' you are never going to know the truth... The road to hell is wide, the road to 'heaven' is narrow. You absolutely have no idea of what you speak.
Let me ask you a simple question: Are you the same religion as your mother?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#147 Apr 27, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
One half of my close friends behind the scenes on here are non-believers.
"Non-believers" implies something that it should not.

If you have friends on here that accept that reality is real, they are not "non-believers". They are realists. You, on the other hand, are someone is a "non-realist".

The difference is, you continue to use the things that we provide with our knowledge of reality. Yet, you never provide anything from your non-reality based bedtime stories.

How about you show us a computer that runs on prayer juice and then you can talk about whether or not we are "non-believers".

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#148 Apr 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Actually, it's not.
It's called pointing out irony and hypocrisy.
It's neither, it's typing to fast... Nice choice of words though...

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#149 Apr 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Let me ask you a simple question: Are you the same religion as your mother?
We did not have the same beliefs

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#150 Apr 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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No. you are the one who is infecting other's with your lies! The Bible has 'historical' facts and you know it. Just because you don't want to take the time to read the Bible, and ask for his God's 'Wisdom and Insight' is your problem...
God gives special 'Insight and Wisdom' to those who diligently seek him. THAT WOULD BE ME!
*SINCE I DO BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. THESE WORDS I STAND BY!!!
LUKE 21:15
For I will give you 'Words and Wisdom' that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
*THAT WOULD BE YOU... GOD WILL ALLOW YOU TO BECOME SO TONGUE TIED YOU WONT BE ABLE TO SPEAK. DON'T BELIEVE ME, JUST WAIT AND SEE...GODS WORDS FOREVER RING TRUE...
.....
we speak... That you know nothing of, or about... So you just stay with your delusion, and lies... see where that get you...
Your life and world as you know it can come crashing down overnight... Go ahead and laugh, call me names... It just makes me 'stronger' through God's word to continue... Sleep well tonight...:)
I see like ALL godbots you ignore anything that conridics you even your own bibull:-

We all know how accurate the bibull is:-
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?

Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)

26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)

27. Jesus descended from which son of David?

Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)

28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?

Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)

29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

30. Who was the father of Uzziah?

Joram (Matthew 1:8)
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?

Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

33. Who was the father of Shelah?

Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)

35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?

Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.

37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?

Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.

40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

Yes (Mark 6:8)
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

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#151 Apr 28, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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"Non-believers" implies something that it should not.
If you have friends on here that accept that reality is real, they are not "non-believers". They are realists. You, on the other hand, are someone is a "non-realist".
The difference is, you continue to use the things that we provide with our knowledge of reality. Yet, you never provide anything from your non-reality based bedtime stories.
How about you show us a computer that runs on prayer juice and then you can talk about whether or not we are "non-believers".
I know very well what a non-believer is. Please don't act like you know my friends. I am not combative with them, nor are they with me... My friends do comment on my faith at times, but in a nice, funny way... It works... Have a nice evening...:)

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#152 Apr 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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No. you are the one who is infecting other's with your lies! The Bible has 'historical' facts and you know it. Just because you don't want to take the time to read the Bible, and ask for his God's 'Wisdom and Insight' is your problem...
God gives special 'Insight and Wisdom' to those who diligently seek
We ll know how accurate the bibull is:-
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?

Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)

26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)

27. Jesus descended from which son of David?

Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)

28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?

Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)

29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

30. Who was the father of Uzziah?

Joram (Matthew 1:8)
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?

Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

33. Who was the father of Shelah?

Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)

35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?

Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.

37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?

Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.

40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

Yes (Mark 6:8)
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

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#153 Apr 28, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
I see like ALL godbots you ignore anything that conridics you even your own bibull:-
We all know how accurate the bibull is:-
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)
26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)
27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)
28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)
29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
Joram (Matthew 1:8)
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
33. Who was the father of Shelah?
Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)
35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.
37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
Yes (Mark 6:8)
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
...and your point is for all the questions?
I can answer them, but you need to do your own home-wwork!

Let us discuss them one at a time... Remembering I do have a life outside of this make-believe world in here...

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#154 Apr 28, 2013
As you can see I have typed two w's in my post above because I am sleepy, and I must go to bed... gn.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#155 Apr 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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WRONG! Satan is filling your head with lies & delusion.
Until you ask God for 'Wisdom and Insight' you are never going to know the truth... The road to hell is wide, the road to 'heaven' is narrow. You absolutely have no idea of what you speak.
Satan is another of your fairy tales from your buybull

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#156 Apr 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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I will make this as simple as possible..
*The Bible is literally filled with hundreds of specific, detailed prophecies that were written hundreds of years before their fulfillment. In fact 27% of the Bible contains what was predictive prophecy at the time that it was written. And the authors of the Bible did not just predict some vague things like Nostradamus or Jeanne Dixon (who have proven to have been false prophets over and over again), they were very specific.
Consider a few of the Old Testament prophecies made regarding the Messiah (the Savior that God promised He would send into the world) hundreds of years before they were fulfilled.
1)Moses (in the Bible) will be found in the Egyptian records
2)Scientists have in fact found not just traces but massive evidence that the Children of Israel were there but that even the route they took matches exactly the Biblical account. They just dated it wrongly.
3)Fact, every single event mentioned in the book of Joshua can be found in the archaeology of the land exactly. When the book states that a city was burned, the burnt layer is found; when destroyed by conquest, the destruction is there. The evidence is there and totally accurate.
ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE
Archaeological discoveries could never prove that the Bible is divinely inspired, but they do help build a compelling case for the HISTORICAL RELIABILITY of the Bible. Of course many people today think that the Bible is a book of mythology, that the persons, places and events mentioned in the Bible were inventions by the authors. Well, the advance of archaeology has Proven them Wrong.
I have plenty more, but IMHO 'none of you' want to see the truth.. If you have legitimate questions, I will answer them as I am 'very' familiar with 'History, the OT/NT as well.. if not...scroll by, do not waste my time... I will continue posting as I see fit... Have a nice day!
"Despite the mass of contemporary records that have been unearthed in Egypt, not one historical reference to the presence of the Israelites has yet been found there. Not a single mention of Joseph, the Pharaoh's 'Grand Vizier'. Not a word about Moses, or the spectacular flight from Egypt and the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army."

– Magnus Magnusson, The Archaeology of the Bible Lands - BC, p43.

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Since: Jan 10

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#157 Apr 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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A REAL prophecy would be: "in 2008, the first black man will be elected to president in the largest country in a continent that is not yet discovered"
Robert Kennedy came close
Imhotep

Wimauma, FL

#158 Apr 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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WRONG! Satan is filling your head with lies & delusion.
Until you ask God for 'Wisdom and Insight' you are never going to know the truth... The road to hell is wide, the road to 'heaven' is narrow. You absolutely have no idea of what you speak.
Satan is a wimp - a wuss

When my feet hit the floor in the morning Satan trembles in fear and says "OH For Christ's sake... he's awake!"

Thank you for sharing your mythology with us
;)

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#159 Apr 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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We did not have the same beliefs
So, you are a Christian and your mother was Hindu?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#160 Apr 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
A REAL prophecy would be: "in 2008, the first black man will be elected to president in the largest country in a continent that is not yet discovered"
Canada has a black president?!?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#161 Apr 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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WRONG! Satan is filling your head with lies & delusion.
Until you ask God for 'Wisdom and Insight' you are never going to know the truth... The road to hell is wide, the road to 'heaven' is narrow. You absolutely have no idea of what you speak.
"I have seen an end of all perfection, but your commandment is exceedingly broad"
Imhotep

Wimauma, FL

#162 Apr 28, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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So, you are a Christian and your mother was Hindu?
That her moniker is backwards
Heavens angel
She forgot dog backwards is god

WOOF!

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