Is the bible a fairy tale?

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#1606 May 19, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Atheism isn't a believe. Nice fail there.
You believe the universe came from nothing, are you stupid.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#1607 May 19, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>Firstly, Christianity is not equal to the actions of all "Christians". Secondly, Christians are the followers of Christ and his teachings. Now when you thus measure Christianity as a belief system, you have to measure it against the standard - the commandments of Jesus Christ. If you use good/bad Christian behaviour as standard, you are using the wrong standard.
Now would you be so kind as to indicate which of the teachings of Jesus Christ you disagree with ( just one or two so we can evaluate it in some depth)
Hey, you're also from South Africa, kan jy praat Afrikaanse?

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#1608 May 19, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Hey, you're also from South Africa, kan jy praat Afrikaanse?
Hello, No but, Jag kan talar Svenska'

I recognized 'praat' and put it together. So you should be able to figure out mine? Good Afternoon...:)
Imhotep

Orlando, FL

#1609 May 19, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>Firstly, Christianity is not equal to the actions of all "Christians". Secondly, Christians are the followers of Christ and his teachings. Now when you thus measure Christianity as a belief system, you have to measure it against the standard - the commandments of Jesus Christ. If you use good/bad Christian behaviour as standard, you are using the wrong standard.
Now would you be so kind as to indicate which of the teachings of Jesus Christ you disagree with ( just one or two so we can evaluate it in some depth)
Perhaps we should investigate this first before we discuss these 'teachings'. Ok? ;)

You see I have this problem... with both Moses & Jesus.

WHY?

The quest for Biblical accounts of ancient Egypt at least into the 19th Dynasty of Egypt's New Kingdom, take on an interesting approach by most investigators.

Essentially, since there is no evidence to clearly support the existence of Joseph, or Moses, or the Israeli Exodus, most of the investigation examines what was possible, what cannot be ruled out, or what fits into and Egyptian context.

In other words, is it possible that such events or people could have existed from what we know of ancient Egypt.

Some specifics are very possible, such as Joseph's rise to importance in the Egyptian court.

Other events, such as the Exodus, as specifically told in the Bible, are much more difficult.

Though the Egyptians may not have liked to record defeats, it would seem very probable that, were the disasters inflicted upon them as detailed in the Bible, there would have survived some textual evidence.

For example, the Egyptians certainly recorded events such as eclipses of the sun and the levels of the Nile Flood. Were the Nile to have turned to blood and every firstborn child suddenly have died, not to mention all of the other plagues mentioned in Exodus, there would have doubtless been some record left, particularly during the New Kingdom.

Tomb records frequently provide us with the most meager of details, and we have, from that period, many thousands of documents recording civil actions and even commercial contracts.

"Despite the mass of contemporary records that have been unearthed in Egypt, not one historical reference to the presence of the Israelites has yet been found there. Not a single mention of Joseph, the Pharaoh's 'Grand Vizier'. Not a word about Moses, or the spectacular flight from Egypt and the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army."
Magnus Magnusson (The Archaeology of the Bible Lands - BC, p43)

Also, for many centuries the Egyptians were present in Palestine, controlling the trade routes and importing the timber, olive oil and minerals not found in Egypt.

Archaeology has uncovered dramatic evidence of this pervasive Egyptian presence in 'Canaan'– yet nowhere does the Bible refer to Egyptians outside of Egypt.

It would spoil the story!!

How could Hebrews escape into the promised land if the Bible admitted Egyptians were running the show there too?

'Neither Moses, nor an enslaved Israel nor the event of this Exodus are recorded in any known ancient records outside the Bible ...
Although its climate has preserved the tiniest traces of ancient bedouin encampments and the sparse 5000-year-old villages of mine workers there is not a single trace of Moses or the Israelites.'
– John Romer, Testament

And to your original question... for you!

Can you provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot do?

Can you provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs?

Since: May 10

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#1610 May 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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We would say that t=0 is the 'boundary' even though only t>0 exists. That is the case in the basic BB theory.
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No, the fact that there simply *is* no t<0, but only t>0 shows that it is impossible to have a 'cause' for the beginning of time.
Come on, you can do better than this. You are just starting to get a grasp on what the theory actually says. Only t>0 exists because as t gets smaller, the curvature increases without limit, so it is impossible to extend t to t=0, let alone t<0. Causality only happens in time, so for t>0. We are currently at t~13.7 billion years.
Fallacies of Definition

Circularity [edit]

"If one concept is defined by another, and the other is defined by the first, this is known as circular definition, somewhat similar to a circular reasoning: neither offers us any enlightenment about what we wanted to know"

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1611 May 19, 2013
[QUOTE who="Mary Magdalena
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Your ballon analogy has an edge and or a boundary just like the universe.[/QUOTE]

So you *don't* understand the analogy. Think a bit more...you may get it eventually.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#1612 May 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Moron. Polymath is NOT ME.
Polymath is a literal math-genius.
I'm not even in the same ball-park as Polymath is.
But you?
You demonstrate you have serious brain-damage.
You are correct, Polymath seems to appear very knowledgeable and well spoken... You, on the other hand are a babbling baffoon that hides behind her skirt tale... I'm surprised she even acknowledges your existance after that rant about Thor. All you do is spew hatred and with repetitive ignorance...

Just to shut you up, I would welcome a solveable math equations from her. If I can't answer it, I will tell her. As for you, I am well aware of your boundaries and limitations, knowing that you can't.

I'm off to harvest my garden... I will be back to see if I have a question...

ps. Not everyone on here will announce their degree/degrees. It's none of their business. I could out smart you any day, and already have...:)

Have a nice day!:)
Imhotep

Orlando, FL

#1613 May 19, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Hello, No but, Jag kan talar Svenska'
I recognized 'praat' and put it together. So you should be able to figure out mine? Good Afternoon...:)
Zuid-Afrika werd gekoloniseerd door het Nederlands en Engels in de 17e eeuw.

Het Nederlands is de enige juiste taal!

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1614 May 19, 2013
Misa wrote:
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Nor do they need to for what I said to make sense.
But then, thinking in abstract terms requires a certain level of cognitive skill that not everyone has.
And effective communication, including effective writing, is essential for reasonable discourse.

A skill that not everyone has...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1615 May 19, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>Firstly, Christianity is not equal to the actions of all "Christians". Secondly, Christians are the followers of Christ and his teachings. Now when you thus measure Christianity as a belief system, you have to measure it against the standard - the commandments of Jesus Christ. If you use good/bad Christian behaviour as standard, you are using the wrong standard.
Now would you be so kind as to indicate which of the teachings of Jesus Christ you disagree with ( just one or two so we can evaluate it in some depth)
Jesus directly commanded his followers to sell everything, and own nothing, and live in the temple as a commune (little-C commune).

I see you own a computer-- so right off the bat, you are guilty of failing to follow your own beliefs!

Typical.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1616 May 19, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
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Your ballon analogy has an edge and or a boundary just like the universe.
Really?

Here's an experiment: Blow up a toy balloon. Take a marker, and find *on* the *surface* of that balloon, the EDGE.

Can you do it?

No?

Why not?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1617 May 19, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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You believe the universe came from nothing, are you stupid.
Genuine Christhole™, lying once again.

What else is new?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1618 May 19, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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You are correct, Polymath seems to appear very knowledgeable and well spoken... You, on the other hand are a babbling baffoon that hides behind her skirt tale... I'm surprised she even acknowledges your existance after that rant about Thor. All you do is spew hatred and with repetitive ignorance...
Polymath isn't a her.

Again, you display your brain-damage.

I also see that my sarcasm about Thor has obviously HIT A NERVE.

Good.

That was it's intention--

--- as soon as YOU can PROVE THOR WAS NEVER REAL?

Then, you MIGHT have a point.

Until that day?

You are still just another bigoted hate-cultist.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1619 May 19, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
ps. Not everyone on here will announce their degree/degrees. It's none of their business. I could out smart you any day, and already have...
I doubt that very much.

You cannot even tell the difference between sarcastic parody and normal conversation.

Clearly, you are quite uneducated and a moron too.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1620 May 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Jesus directly commanded his followers to sell everything, and own nothing, and live in the temple as a commune (little-C commune).
I see you own a computer-- so right off the bat, you are guilty of failing to follow your own beliefs!
Typical.
They're called hypocrites Bob. Their own god condemns them. Christian leaders are only in it for the money anyway. I can't believe they could be so ignorant as to believe it.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#1621 May 19, 2013
[QUOTE who="Mary Magdalena
"]<quoted text>
Your ballon analogy has an edge and or a boundary just like the universe.[/QUOTE]
We have been looking for thousands of years, lately with highly sophisticated and enormous magnification capabilities, some using mirrors cooled to nearly absolute zero to gather even the faintest of light from hundreds of light years away. We stared into nothing for 10+ days gathering all the light possible. We still have not found an edge or hint of a boundary, and if there even is one .
It is so far away we will never see it, the balloon analogy is only a way to imagine it, but the image it tell us something different.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#1622 May 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Zuid-Afrika werd gekoloniseerd door het Nederlands en Engels in de 17e eeuw.
Het Nederlands is de enige juiste taal!
;)
The colonization was a good thing... So you speak Dutch, and are from South Africa?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1623 May 19, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>They're called hypocrites Bob. Their own god condemns them. Christian leaders are only in it for the money anyway. I can't believe they could be so ignorant as to believe it.
I find that is true of all people who's worldview is faith-based.

Hypocrisy appears to be a requirement for faith to flourish.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1624 May 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I find that is true of all people who's worldview is faith-based.
Hypocrisy appears to be a requirement for faith to flourish.
Please don't lump me with them, I practice what I preach.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#1625 May 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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bigoted hate-cultist.
Yes you are! Lol

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