Is the bible a fairy tale?

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#1484 May 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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All causality occurs in time. Coincidental causality (which isn't a coherent concept) still requires time to happen, so is still part of the universe. The universe itself cannot be caused.
You make 3 more false statements:

1. "All causality occurs in time"

You have absolutely no way of knowing that, unless you are omniscient. I do not believe you are omniscient. As it is easily demonstrated that causality can be simultaneous, it follows that there is no valid objection to it occurring in timeless state, or absent strictly universe time.

2. Coincidental causality IS a coherent concept. Your objections, which I refuted previously one by one, are incoherent.

3. "The universe itself cannot be caused"

This lie ratchets up your previous lie, that the universe does not "require" a cause.

You are an extremely religious person.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#1485 May 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Wrong. There is no 'going from A to not-A' happening here. And, in any case, why would that require a cause?
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No, your understanding is just deficient.
Then you and I do not exist.

You are a liar and a religious zealot.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#1486 May 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Wrong. There is no 'going from A to not-A' happening here.
I didn't know that.

It doesn't seem all that crowded, living here in the singularity.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1487 May 17, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Grand cannon?
Is this the same cannon that shoots lies around the world in the form of holy books?
Yes we do laugh at theists because they are so delusional, Gullible and childish.
One only needs to read your replies to determine this!
I'm sorry KJV we just can't make this stuff up
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.-"-Revelation 12:7
Godzilla's first appearance perhaps?
Lmao
There will never be war in heaven. That is an erroneous Christian myth and delusion. God himself is going to punish and conquer the dragon who is Satan and his father. Michael has been reincarnated along with Elijah, Gabrielle, David and Deborah. They are the adopted children of the Lord God.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1488 May 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Already wrong.
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A complete misunderstanding. Once again, the Big Bang does NOT describe the universe as expanding into already existing space. It describes space itself as expanding.
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Wrong. This, again, is not at all a prediction of the theory. In fact, it is quite opposite to the whole idea of the theory.
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Wrong yet again. In the Big Bang theory, there *is* no 'edge to the universe'.
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No, it is not the Big Bang theory in a nutshell. In fact, it gets every particular wrong.
If you are going to quote from a source, at least be sure that source knows what it is talking about.
The universe (space) is an astral projection of the mind and imagination of God. It is limitless and ever expanding. The Big Bang was the revelation, I think therefore I AM. Everything including God materialized at that time and time itself began but God was a spirit who would eventually take on human flesh in the latter days.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1489 May 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Since you have now stated the flood was a local event (and if it was based on a real event, I agree) it failed in its task. Humans had already populated much of the rest of the world a long time before that.
How do you know that? I don't believe that. I'm going to believe and trust in God and his word.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1490 May 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Words alone are insufficient. They require the addition of Godmagic to make it work.
The pen is mightier than the sword. God ended the cold war with his words. Zechariah 6:8. And has also killed with words, "...and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked". Isaiah 11:4. I wouldn't underestimate the power of Gods spoken word.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1491 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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I didn't know that.
It doesn't seem all that crowded, living here in the singularity.
Yet another statement showing you don't understand what you are talking about.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1492 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's a weasel point.
It makes no difference if matter is moving through space or space is expanding.
At any time, there space was expanding. There was no 'going from A to not-A' because there was no time in which 'A' was the case.
A cannot be both A and non-A. Going from A to non-A requires cause.
False. And irrelevant.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1493 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You make 3 more false statements:
1. "All causality occurs in time"
You have absolutely no way of knowing that, unless you are omniscient. I do not believe you are omniscient. As it is easily demonstrated that causality can be simultaneous, it follows that there is no valid objection to it occurring in timeless state, or absent strictly universe time.
And yet ALL the evidence supports it. Every cause we have ever seen happens in time.
2. Coincidental causality IS a coherent concept. Your objections, which I refuted previously one by one, are incoherent.
No, proof by assertion isn't an actual refutation.
3. "The universe itself cannot be caused"
This lie ratchets up your previous lie, that the universe does not "require" a cause.
Given the nature of causality, the universe *cannot* have a cause because causes are always *in* the universe.
You are an extremely religious person.
Showing you don't know what it means to be religious either.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1494 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Then you and I do not exist.
You are a liar and a religious zealot.
Hey,*your* lack of understanding doesn't mean I am a liar. We clearly exist. And the best description for why we exist is the Big Bang scenario.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1495 May 17, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The universe (space) is an astral projection of the mind and imagination of God. It is limitless and ever expanding. The Big Bang was the revelation, I think therefore I AM. Everything including God materialized at that time and time itself began but God was a spirit who would eventually take on human flesh in the latter days.
Have you ever attempted to *really* understand something? Your babble is just tiring.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#1496 May 17, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>There will never be war in heaven. That is an erroneous Christian myth and delusion. God himself is going to punish and conquer the dragon who is Satan and his father. Michael has been reincarnated along with Elijah, Gabrielle, David and Deborah. They are the adopted children of the Lord God.
"Everyone knows the best bands are affiliated with Satan."
~Bart Simpson

I think any religious building with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence.

Since: Jun 07

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#1497 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That is another false statement. Actually three false statements in one.
1. Cause is not required to be temporally "before". There is nothing known to prevent coincidental causality.
2. The "before" you are eliminating is "before" in universe time, which has a definite "beginning" under the theory. You do not know whether that "beginning" is "All", unless your are omniscient, and I do not believe you are.
3. You are using a requirement of a result of the explosion - universe time - as a prerequisite for any causality of the explosion itself. That is logically incoherent.
In order for an explosion of something to occur, the "something has to exhibit "non-explosion" and "explosion".
Otherwise, there is no explosion.
Atheist: Explain the chemical basis for your belief that water can turn in to wine:
Buck Crick:*shuts the f*ck up*

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#1498 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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If the "Big Bang" is an event, the substance of the event has to exhibit both "explosion" and "non-explosion".
If it does not, there is no event.
You are incoherent.
The backbone of critical thinking is LOGIC.
The Law of NonContradiction: "A cannot be both A and not-A at once and in the same sense. In other words, something (a statement) cannot be both true and false at the same time and in the same way."
Evolution denier attempting a *serious* debate

Since: Jun 07

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#1499 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Then you and I do not exist.
You are a liar and a religious zealot.
Immoral permanently deluded oaf who lies about a god he has no proof of.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1500 May 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Have you ever attempted to *really* understand something? Your babble is just tiring.
"Fools despise wisdom and instruction"
Imhotep

Windermere, FL

#1501 May 17, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>There will never be war in heaven. That is an erroneous Christian myth and delusion. God himself is going to punish and conquer the dragon who is Satan and his father. Michael has been reincarnated along with Elijah, Gabrielle, David and Deborah. They are the adopted children of the Lord God.
What wonderful mythology!
You certainly have a vivid imagination.

I remain unconvinced.

Speaking of dragons though...

Bertrand Russell
"Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic of scientific cooperation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment.

It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion."
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1502 May 17, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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What wonderful mythology!
You certainly have a vivid imagination.
I remain unconvinced.
Speaking of dragons though...
Bertrand Russell
"Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic of scientific cooperation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment.
It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion."
Have you ever heard the song Imagine by John Lennon? No religion and REM, I'm losing my religion. "The Lord is my Rock, my strength and my song". "Behold their sitting down and their rising up, I am their music" Lamentations 3:63. There will be a golden age but it will be ushered in by a God the world does not know.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1503 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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If the "Big Bang" is an event, the substance of the event has to exhibit both "explosion" and "non-explosion".
If it does not, there is no event.
You are incoherent.
The backbone of critical thinking is LOGIC.
The Law of NonContradiction: "A cannot be both A and not-A at once and in the same sense. In other words, something (a statement) cannot be both true and false at the same time and in the same way."
Oh boy. Now Buck is channelling INFINITE FORCE!!!

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