Is the bible a fairy tale?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1436 May 16, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The odds are more like, if you fill up the state of Texas 3 miles high with white poker chips and plant a single blue one in the mix somewhere, there is a better chance you will pick out that blue chip on the first try and blindfolded than being (right about) God.
Well, when one takes into account all the alien life in the universe and all their gods, then I guess so.

Which is why no-one takes your claim that you found the blue chip seriously.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1437 May 16, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 6 19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
Elephants are animals.
BTW it is your book of myths.
Elephants are native to Africa and it was a localized flood. There were no elephants in the middle east.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1438 May 16, 2013
Misa wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought every kind of animal was represented, according to the myth? Why would that exclude elephants and insects?
See response to Richard, Misa.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1439 May 16, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
The Ark story is irrelevant. If we are to be generous and allow you to have Noah, his seven family members and a bunch of animals on a boat (despite the complete and total utter lack of historical evidence) then the scenario is moot because it was just a local event. Large floods have happened a lot during Earth's history.
But if you're invoking a global flood then it's too bad, as none of us were even born to be able to talk about it.
Again, the purpose of the flood was to kill mankind and this flood accomplished that purpose. God promised that there would never be another judgment like this on mankind by a flood.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1440 May 16, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, when one takes into account all the alien life in the universe and all their gods, then I guess so.
Which is why no-one takes your claim that you found the blue chip seriously.
But somebody on earth today will find it. You can exclude half the earth because they are not female. Then you can exclude everyone who is not descended from Joseph/Ephraim. And you can exclude people who are too young or too old. That narrows it down and you can look at each person critically on an individual basis.
Misa

Radstock, UK

#1441 May 16, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>See response to Richard, Misa.
OK, I assumed incorrectly that you were advocating for a literal reading of the Noah myth. My apologies.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#1442 May 16, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Elephants are native to Africa and it was a localized flood. There were no elephants in the middle east.
Not according to your bibull:-
Genesis 7:19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Please show me where is says 'local'?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1443 May 16, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Not according to your bibull:-
Genesis 7:19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Please show me where is says 'local'?
It doesn't literally say local. It was a very vast flood, but it wasn't worldwide. You have to give Moses and God a little bit of poetic license.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#1444 May 16, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't literally say local. It was a very vast flood, but it wasn't worldwide. You have to give Moses and God a little bit of poetic license.
Now you are just making stuff up to suit yourself. The fact of the matter is the whole flood story is just that... a story, a myth nothing more.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1445 May 16, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are just making stuff up to suit yourself. The fact of the matter is the whole flood story is just that... a story, a myth nothing more.
The problem with that theory, Richard is that this "myth" is a legend in every culture on earth. And they are virtually identical. All of humankind can trace their roots back to Noah and his three sons. These legends exist because it happened.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#1453 May 16, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The problem with that theory, Richard is that this "myth" is a legend in every culture on earth. And they are virtually identical. All of humankind can trace their roots back to Noah and his three sons. These legends exist because it happened.
1. Wrong not all cultures have a flood myth
2. If all cultures had a flood myth then it was a global flood which proves your local flood story wrong.
3. It rains and it sometimes floods so there is little wounder there lots of flood stories but nothing to say they all happened at the same time.

Then you are faced with the incest problem.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#1454 May 16, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
All you guys and gals.
I laugh my ass off at your claims.
Go ahead give me another proven fact like evolution. I alway like that one. Or how the mighty Colorado river flowed up hill to make the grand cannon that's a good one too.[/QUOTE]

I see you still refuse read any real textbooks.

Why do you choose to be ignorant?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#1455 May 16, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
No magic
He merely spoke everything into existence. So God did it with words.
[/QUOTE]

Yep that's magic.
Lincoln

United States

#1456 May 16, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, the concept of free will is incompatible with that of a God. You've been told why before.
<quoted text>
I make a habit of not taking advice off people who see things that are not there but tell us they will be maybe next year.
You may have limited life experiences?
:-)

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1458 May 17, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
All you guys and gals.
I laugh my ass off at your claims.
Go ahead give me another proven fact like evolution. I alway like that one. Or how the mighty Colorado river flowed up hill to make the grand cannon that's a good one too.[/QUOTE]

Atheists make no claims. Theists are the ones who lie about god and deny the fact of evolution.

You demonstrate your "higher morals" to us with every lie you tell.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1459 May 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
You may have limited life experiences?
:-)
This is coming from the snivelling coward who can't prove the god he's lying about.
Imhotep

Windermere, FL

#1460 May 17, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
All you guys and gals.
I laugh my ass off at your claims.
Go ahead give me another proven fact like evolution. I alway like that one. Or how the mighty Colorado river flowed up hill to make the grand cannon that's a good one too.[/QUOTE]

Grand cannon?

Is this the same cannon that shoots lies around the world in the form of holy books?

Yes we do laugh at theists because they are so delusional, Gullible and childish.

One only needs to read your replies to determine this!

I'm sorry KJV we just can't make this stuff up

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.-"-Revelation 12:7

Godzilla's first appearance perhaps?

Lmao

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1461 May 17, 2013
KJV wrote:
I am not assuming that this universe needed a God to create it. The fact is "nothing" cannot spontaneous create everything.
Which is not what any scientific theory says.
God did it.
Prove it.
Because God created them. With out God they would not exist. As in what was there when there was not the Big Bang or its after math.
Nonsense.
Why do you believe that the Big Bang just happened when there was nothing (nothing as in the absences of everything) to feed it?
Weird!
You keep misunderstanding this point. The Big Bang theory does NOT say there was a time when there was nothing and that the nothing exploded to produce the universe. You keep harping on this point, but that isn't what is claimed. The problem, as far as I can see, is that you can't seem to grasp the concept of a time when there was no 'before'. I can understand it is tricky, but that is where your understanding seems to be failing. If there was no 'before', there was no cause.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1462 May 17, 2013
KJV wrote:

The overall Big Bang theory states that the universe started from an incredibly dense singularity that exploded.
Already wrong.
All matter, light and energy came from that explosion. The size of the universe increases as everything expands from this explosion. The theory is that of an expanding universe, meaning that the universe as a whole is expanding, instead of a static universe meaning that matter is expanding into a statically sized space.
A complete misunderstanding. Once again, the Big Bang does NOT describe the universe as expanding into already existing space. It describes space itself as expanding.
The theory states that the size of the universe is equal to the speed of light (the item furthest away from the explosion as possible) times the age of the explosion.
Wrong. This, again, is not at all a prediction of the theory. In fact, it is quite opposite to the whole idea of the theory.
In simpler terms, the light created from the explosion is expanding in equal directions and they represent the edge of the universe.
Wrong yet again. In the Big Bang theory, there *is* no 'edge to the universe'.
That's it in a nutshell. Now let's look at the problems with this theory.
No, it is not the Big Bang theory in a nutshell. In fact, it gets every particular wrong.

If you are going to quote from a source, at least be sure that source knows what it is talking about.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1463 May 17, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]
http://www.rubak.com/article.cfm...
Part 2
Issue #1: Problem of Size
First we must remember the definition of the term "universe". Basic definitions state: "Everything that exists anywhere", "The whole collection of existing things", "Everything stated or assumed in a given discussion", etc. That means all substance, energy and the space in between.
Regardless of the size of the universe, let's pretend that we are at the edge where the "universe defining light" is speeding its way out. Here's a simple question: Is the area 1/2 inch ahead of the light wave part of the universe? Of course it is. It's just as much a part of this universe as the space between the Sun and Earth is. Empty space is also a part of "everything that exists anywhere". No one would deny that.
OK, so if the area 1/2 inch ahead of the light wave is part of the universe, what about a foot ahead? What about a mile? What about a million miles? It's all empty space according to the theory.
Or is it? Remember, the current Big Bang theory is an expanding theory, not a static theory.
[/QUOTE]

Once again, this shows a basic misunderstanding about what the Big Bang theory actually says. It does NOT say that the universe is expanding out from some central point and that there is an 'edge' to the expansion. In fact, the basic Big Bang theory postulates a *uniform, isotropic* universe: it looks the same everywhere and in every direction. Once again, it is space itself that is expanding, NOT matter being thrown through space.

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