Is the bible a fairy tale?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1329 May 15, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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I suppose you now realize that you have validated the 'Wizard of Oz' exactly as your savior.
As you've said: "Just because there's no record of him doesn't mean he didn't exist"
Cheers
You obviously live in a fantasy world. My God is alive and real. I suppose you believe in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny as well? The God of Israel is coming to judge the world and will destroy the sinners thereof out of it. I don't think you want to get on the bad side of the one that can save your life.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1330 May 15, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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The tribal God of the old testament is a revolting Deity. I would not want anything to do with religious people who identify themselves with such nonsense.
However the majority of Jews are secular and humanist and have no interest in religion. From what I have read, there are no Jewish population near here.
I cannot defend a lot of the statutes and judgments in the OT. It was written for a different time and times have changed. A Jew who is not religious is no different than a gentile. Judaism is both a race and a religion. We are to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation and to study and meditate in the Torah. The Messiah will "...seek to change times and laws..." Daniel 7:25. These include both manmade and God given laws.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1331 May 15, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop lying about heaven and god, none of it is real.
Atheists are not motivated by the hallucinations of mentally ill creationists.
Belief in God is insanity by itself. God cannot be proven or disproven, right now it's a matter of faith. "We're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy" Seal. I had a vision of my own death, so I know heaven is real. I am totally fearless when it comes to death, I am "made without fear" and that's how I can be so brazen. Whether you like it or not, there is a God and there is life after death.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#1332 May 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>You obviously live in a fantasy world. My God is alive and real. I suppose you believe in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny as well? The God of Israel is coming to judge the world and will destroy the sinners thereof out of it. I don't think you want to get on the bad side of the one that can save your life.
In your 'real' world of "fantasy" e.g. dogma, there are Unicorns, Angels, Demons, Witches, Wizards, Talking snake and ass... and your think this is real?

How bizarre!

"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?"
--Robert G. Ingersoll

"I believe there is something out there watching over us. Unfortunately, it's the government."
--Woody Allen
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#1333 May 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Belief in God is insanity by itself. God cannot be proven or disproven, right now it's a matter of faith. "We're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy" Seal. I had a vision of my own death, so I know heaven is real. I am totally fearless when it comes to death, I am "made without fear" and that's how I can be so brazen. Whether you like it or not, there is a God and there is life after death.
Was this heaven vision black or white?

Was Moses and Jesus there to greet you?

Were any of your family there? If not, then... OOPS!

Err... you should have noticed those 9/11 martyrs for Allah and their attending 72 virgins each.(not virgins when you were there?)

"They came with a Bible and their religion, stole our land, crushed our spirit, and now tell us we should be thankful to the Lord for being saved."
~Chief Pontiac
Lincoln

United States

#1334 May 15, 2013
Atheists are positive that there is no afterlife
yet they spend that only life on threads trolling.
LOL
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1335 May 15, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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And if, after blended, his brain begins reorganizing and self-replicating, then the materialist viewpoint will be vindicated.
After all, you did say all that is required for life is physics and chemistry. These are available in your local bookstore.
Let us know how it pans out.
Ah, I see you're referring to the view of *philosophical* naturalism. A subject which I myself couldn't give a crud about.(shrug)

See Buck what science ACTUALLY deals with is METHODOLOGICAL naturalism. So no, your brains won't actually regenerate (as if anyone really expected that) and what would actually happen would likely be that your cranium would become a repository for germs, viruses, worms and insects. For even if abio HAD a chance to start in a modern Earth environment you may have noticed that the planet already has a pretty full biosphere already. Anything produced would be absorbed by the local environment, eaten up by millions of gigantic ameoba or something.

You're just bitter because no fundie has been able to come up with a workable concept of methodological "supernaturalism" yet.(shrug)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1336 May 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>We were created in the image and likeness of God and it's always been Gods intent to live on earth. God is a Spirit and would take on a soul (body) in the last days. God needs to experience life the way his creation has, God will return to spirit form and live forever.
Vodka, hopefully.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1337 May 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Pharoah said to Moses he would erase him from the history of Egypt. Just because there's no record of him doesn't mean he didn't exist. Egypt was also sorely defeated at the Red sea, I wouldn't want to remember and recount that either, it would just give validity to belief in the God of Israel.
Just because there's no record of the Cosmic Sheep doesn't mean it/they don't exist.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1338 May 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>How do you explain near death experience or the energy that is in our bodies. God is energy and it cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change form. The electrical impulses have to go somewhere. When we die, we lose weight and heat, that is caused by the spirit leaving our body. Heat is a form of energy and also has mass. E=mc2
There is no observation of loss of weight after death. That is merely another fundamentalist lie.

Near death experiences have been reproduced. It is a natural result of a loss of oxygen to the brain.

You should be able to do better than this.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#1339 May 15, 2013
WHY do theists post to atheist threads?

To proselytize? This is a fools errand.

There is a common perception that there must be something more to atheism than simply disbelief in gods because of the fact that atheists are so often engaged in debates with theists.

We try to focus simply on their religious beliefs(dogma) and what has ultimately brought them to that belief, and then helping them to adopt a methodology which relies more upon skepticism, reason, common sense, logic and truth.

Simply tearing down religious dogma usually fails because theists feel threatened. The key is to get them to think reasonably, rationally, logically, and critically about beliefs in general.

With that, religious dogma will eventually crumble of its own accord.

I have found that most atheists have already done extensive research on theism, which of course, led them to atheism. Most have read the entire bible and know much more about it than the theists posting on atheist threads.

What most atheists base their lack of belief in is the overwhelming torrent of confused religions.

None of them make any logical sense toward morality or something called god.

If “God” wanted anything to do with how mankind goes about it’s existence, she would need no assistance from organized religions in sending the correct message.

Jus Sayin...

An invisible creator deity, creates a vast universe, in order to have a personal relationship with one species of primate?

If you can believe this deity on bad evidence you win an eternity of happiness after death?

This is precisely the sort of nonsense you must believe in order to go anywhere in USA politics.

An atheist could be an unprecedented genius, have the looks of (select favorite celeb), a generous billionaire with Oprah’s social skills, and not a chance of being considered for public office!
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1340 May 15, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
In your 'real' world of "fantasy" e.g. dogma, there are Unicorns, Angels, Demons, Witches, Wizards, Talking snake and ass... and your think this is real?
How bizarre!
"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?"
--Robert G. Ingersoll
"I believe there is something out there watching over us. Unfortunately, it's the government."
--Woody Allen
"The simple believe every word, but the prudent looks well to his going". I do not believe everything in the bible but I know for the most part it is true and valid. The things that do not make sense can be explained. It is because of attitudes like yours that will cause the Messiah to be imprisoned, tried, and executed. But the Messiah will come back on the Mount of Olives and live and reign forever. That is the glory of God.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1341 May 15, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Was this heaven vision black or white?
Was Moses and Jesus there to greet you?
Were any of your family there? If not, then... OOPS!
Err... you should have noticed those 9/11 martyrs for Allah and their attending 72 virgins each.(not virgins when you were there?)
"They came with a Bible and their religion, stole our land, crushed our spirit, and now tell us we should be thankful to the Lord for being saved."
~Chief Pontiac
Heaven is illuminated and hell is darkness, if that's what you mean. Jesus has been reincarnated so he wasn't there but two family friends were. I don't even believe that my family is going to heaven, my mother is dead and I don't believe she made it. There's no sex in heaven, that was an earthly creation so being a virgin is irrelevant.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1342 May 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because there's no record of the Cosmic Sheep doesn't mean it/they don't exist.
You blaspheme and mock God. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near you on VWD Day, I'd get singed. Isaiah 24:6 "Therefore has the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left". I hope there will be more than 3 survivors, probably 3%.
Lincoln

United States

#1343 May 15, 2013
In a damp Spanish cave, Alistair Pike applies a small grinder to the world's oldest known paintings. Every few minutes, the dentist-drill sound stops and Pike, an archaeologist from the University of Southampton, UK, stands aside so that a party of tourists can admire the simple artwork — hazy red disks, stencilled handprints, the outlines of bison — daubed on the cave wall tens of thousands of years ago. He hopes that the visitors won't notice the small scuff marks he has left.

In fact, Pike's grinder — and the scalpel that he wields to scrape off tiny samples — is doing no harm to the actual paintings, and he is working with the full approval of the Spanish authorities. Pike is after the crust of calcite that has built up over the millennia from groundwater dripping down the wall. The white flecks that he dislodges hold a smattering of uranium atoms, whose decay acts as a radioactive clock. A clock that has been ticking ever since the calcite formed on top of the art.
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The results of an earlier round of sampling in El Castillo cave, published last June1, showed that the oldest of the paintings, a simple red spot, dates to at least 40,800 years ago, roughly when the first modern humans reached western Europe. Pike and his colleagues think that when they analyse the latest samples, the paintings may turn out to be older still, perhaps by thousands of years — too old to have been made by modern humans. If so, the artists must have been Neanderthals, the brawny, archaic people who were already living in Europe.

The answer won't be known for at least a year, but if it favours the Neanderthals, it could tip — if not resolve — a debate that has rumbled for decades: did the Neanderthals, once caricatured as brute cavemen, have minds like our own, capable of abstract thinking, symbolism and even art? It is one of the most haunting questions about the people who once shared a continent with us, then mysteriously vanished.

An early date for the paintings would also be a vindication for the slight, dark-haired man watching as Pike works: João Zilhão, who has emerged as the leading advocate for Neanderthals, relentlessly pressing the case that these ice-age Europeans were our cognitive equals. Zilhão, an archaeologist at the Catalan Institution for Research and Advanced Studies at the University of Barcelona in Spain, believes that other signs of sophisticated Neanderthal culture have already proved his point. But he is willing to debate on his opponents' terms.“To my mind, we don't need that evidence,” he says of the paintings.“But I guess for many of my colleagues this would be the smoking gun.”

The front line in the Neanderthal wars runs through another cave: Grotte du Renne, 1,000 kilometres away in central France. As early as the 1950s, excavations there unearthed a collection of puzzling artefacts. Among them were bone awls, distinctive stone blades and palaeolithic baubles — the teeth of animals such as foxes or marmots, grooved or pierced so that they could be worn on a string. They were buried beneath artefacts typical of the first modern humans in Europe, suggesting that these objects were older. A startling possibility loomed: that artefacts of this style, collectively known as the Châtelperronian industry, were made by Neanderthals.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1344 May 15, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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There is no observation of loss of weight after death. That is merely another fundamentalist lie.
Near death experiences have been reproduced. It is a natural result of a loss of oxygen to the brain.
You should be able to do better than this.
Oxygen is the part of the spirit that gives us life. I don't doubt that it has been reproduced but the spirit has to leave the body and I haven't ever heard of anybody trying to replicate what happens to us when we die. We will all die, so we'll all find out. Aren't you afraid of the unknown? What if you're wrong?
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#1345 May 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>You blaspheme and mock God. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near you on VWD Day, I'd get singed. Isaiah 24:6 "Therefore has the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left". I hope there will be more than 3 survivors, probably 3%.
You should be aware that Blasphemy is actually a victimless crime.
VWD = Vividly, Wildly, Delusional

I will still be here, and you be making the usual excuses for yet another NO-SHOW in the Rapture category!

You're self-stated extensive knowledge of heaven leads me to believe you should be able to provide this very important date for us!

No Sex?
What good is heaven then? Do the toilets work?
Do they serve Pork to Muslims and Jews?
Can everyone create their own personal miracle?

What is the principal advantage of heaven as you see it?

I have many questions...
So... let's have that rapture date please...

Jesus has cast his eye upon you, his messenger, therefore you had best not make a mistake or ye shall be cast upon the olde Lake O Fireballs.

Your God has a terrible temper and is very, very jealous.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1346 May 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>You blaspheme and mock God.
No I don't.

In fact I NEVER have.

Ever.

What I HAVE done is mocked the fundie's ideas of what they think God is, however that is ENTIRELY different.

I cannot mock what cannot be demonstrated and possibly might not even exist at all. But I CAN mock the childish fantasies and baseless opinions of uneducated ignorant fundies who maintain ancient superstitions in their desperate desire to presume themselves cosmically significant.
susanblange wrote:
I wouldn't want to be anywhere near you on VWD Day, I'd get singed.
Don't worry, I can't sing. But boy, I can laugh.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1347 May 15, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
You should be aware that Blasphemy is actually a victimless crime.
VWD = Vividly, Wildly, Delusional
I will still be here, and you be making the usual excuses for yet another NO-SHOW in the Rapture category!
You're self-stated extensive knowledge of heaven leads me to believe you should be able to provide this very important date for us!
No Sex?
What good is heaven then? Do the toilets work?
Do they serve Pork to Muslims and Jews?
Can everyone create their own personal miracle?
What is the principal advantage of heaven as you see it?
I have many questions...
So... let's have that rapture date please...
Jesus has cast his eye upon you, his messenger, therefore you had best not make a mistake or ye shall be cast upon the olde Lake O Fireballs.
Your God has a terrible temper and is very, very jealous.
Blasphemy is a sin against Gods person and is the deadliest sin you can commit. I am also not a Christian and do not believe in the Rapture, that is a christian myth, along with the tribulation and millennium. VWD stands for Vengeance, Wrath, and Destruction and is the first Day of the Lord. There are three. If God revels to me when exactly this will happen, I might post it and I might not. I will do whatever God tells me to do. It could come as early as September or October 2013.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1348 May 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Oxygen is the part of the spirit that gives us life. I don't doubt that it has been reproduced but the spirit has to leave the body and I haven't ever heard of anybody trying to replicate what happens to us when we die. We will all die, so we'll all find out. Aren't you afraid of the unknown? What if you're wrong?
What if you're wrong? After all you've only got around a 1 in 10,003 chance of being right. And 10,002 chances of being wrong.

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