Is the bible a fairy tale?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1207 May 12, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Flew did not appeal to authority nor incredulity.
Not the former, but the latter. You on the other hand appealed to both.
Buck Crick wrote:
Learn to read, dumbass.
I did. That's why you're having problems.
Buck Crick wrote:
You are also wrong about evidence and DNA.
Hot darn, that was convincing.
Buck Crick wrote:
But you're the "Dude". So:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Be7Og9Gc_KYXX
Then you are Mr Lebowski.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1208 May 12, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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But the exercise assumes the universe existing exactly as it is with no god, which assumes the conclusion in the premise.
It's a stupid, ill-conceived exercise, DooDoo.
Except it doesn't. As BOTH conclusions are available. Otherwise he would have just said "Universe B".

He didn't.
Buck Crick wrote:
If you couldn't figure out simultaneous causality, you won't get this one either.
I'm wasting my time trying to teach you.
Yes you are. That's because you have yet to attain the level of student. Although it doesn't help that the teacher probably kept throwing you out of class for being a d ck.(shrug)

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#1209 May 12, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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And a + theISM (which is more accurate) is denying BELIEF in (a) God(s). Pointed out to you a while back.
You are neglecting the etymology of the word.

Not coincidentally, ignoring the etymology of the word allows it to conform to your desired meaning.

Wow! How 'bout that?

Incidentally, the "a" was not added to "theism".

The "a" was added to "theos" (greek).

It rendered a word meaning "no god".



If you skip several hundred years, come up with a word "theism", then add "a" to it, you get your meaning, but skipping several centuries of etymology is a no-no, if you are interested in truth.

You are not interested in truth, DooDoo.

"Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not" (Academic American Encyclopedia).

"Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty" (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).

That's you, DooDoo, an atheist - believing the non-existence of God.

You are missing a golden opportunity to learn from me.

So sad.

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#1210 May 12, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Then God is impossible.
Hey, my assertion is just as good as yours.(shrug)
No, that does not follow.

For any causal force of the universe, the infinite time regression does not apply, as it would be atemporal (in regards to universe time).

Try to pay attention.

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#1211 May 12, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Except it doesn't. As BOTH conclusions are available. Otherwise he would have just said "Universe B".
He didn't.
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Yes you are. That's because you have yet to attain the level of student. Although it doesn't help that the teacher probably kept throwing you out of class for being a d ck.(shrug)
That's the error - the same universe without god is available.

The conclusion is contained in the premise.

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#1212 May 12, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Hot darn, that was convincing.
As convincing as you stating the opposite.

The difference is I know something about the subject.

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#1213 May 12, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I've already gone down in history. I ended the cold war, restored pride to the military, and got the Jews out of Russia.
Yes, but did you write the songs that made the whole world sing?

Poe.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1214 May 12, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Yes, but did you write the songs that made the whole world sing?
Poe.
"The Lord is my Rock, my strength and my song" "Behold their sitting down and their rising up, I am their music" "I will publish the name of the Lord" "Sing, O barren, you who did not bear; break forth into singing and cry aloud, you who did not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, says the Lord.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1215 May 12, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Well, at least you aren't an atheist anymore, welcome to religion.
Yew dun't REED vurry gud, DEW YEW?

LOL!

Read what I wrote... AGAIN:

I'm liking Thor.

I mean-- if you are going to have a god? Why not pick one you can RESPECT!

Thor! Now THERE is a god you can RESPECT, he carries a hammer, he slings lightning, he wears chainmail.

Unlike your pansy-ass dead-jew-on-a-stick, who was such a wimp, he let plain old Romans drag his candy-ass to a torture-death.

And that was the end of that sad, sorry story too.

But Thor! There's a god you can RESPECT.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1216 May 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
You are neglecting the etymology of the word.
Not coincidentally, ignoring the etymology of the word allows it to conform to your desired meaning.
Wow! How 'bout that?
Incidentally, the "a" was not added to "theism".
The "a" was added to "theos" (greek).
It rendered a word meaning "no god".
If you skip several hundred years, come up with a word "theism", then add "a" to it, you get your meaning, but skipping several centuries of etymology is a no-no, if you are interested in truth.
You are not interested in truth, DooDoo.
"Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not" (Academic American Encyclopedia).
"Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty" (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).
So what you're saying is that 'a'='without', and 'theos'='God', and 'theism'='belief in God'.

And we are talking about the word atheISM, not atheOS. Good. Glad we agree and that you are finally learning English.
Buck Crick wrote:
That's you, DooDoo, an atheist - believing the non-existence of God.
Wrong. Don't believe me, ask Skippy. Your atheist alter-ego.
Buck Crick wrote:
You are missing a golden opportunity to learn from me.
So sad.
By "golden" you mean shower, don't you? Sorry Buck, not interested.

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#1217 May 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are neglecting the etymology of the word.
Not coincidentally, ignoring the etymology of the word allows it to conform to your desired meaning.
Wow! How 'bout that?
Incidentally, the "a" was not added to "theism".
The "a" was added to "theos" (greek).
It rendered a word meaning "no god".
If you skip several hundred years, come up with a word "theism", then add "a" to it, you get your meaning, but skipping several centuries of etymology is a no-no, if you are interested in truth.
You are not interested in truth, DooDoo.
"Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not" (Academic American Encyclopedia).
"Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty" (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).
That's you, DooDoo, an atheist - believing the non-existence of God.
You are missing a golden opportunity to learn from me.
So sad.
Mentally ill creationist who can't accept that the definition of atheism is lack of belief and not denial.

You believe that jesus rode on the backs of dinosaurs - mature conversation over.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1218 May 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, that does not follow.
For any causal force of the universe, the infinite time regression does not apply, as it would be atemporal (in regards to universe time).
Try to pay attention.
I did. EVERYTHING "must" have a cause EXCEPT your position - because you're a monumentally massive hypocrite.
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's the error - the same universe without god is available.

The conclusion is contained in the premise.
And as most other people who can read basic English could see, so was YOURS. Prior to investigation both premises are valid, and both were presented.
Buck Crick wrote:
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As convincing as you stating the opposite.

The difference is I know something about the subject.
It's just you suck at expressing yourself then.(shrug)

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#1219 May 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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As convincing as you stating the opposite.
The difference is I know something about the subject.
"jack sh*t" doesn't count as "something".

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#1220 May 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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So what you're saying is that 'a'='without', and 'theos'='God', and 'theism'='belief in God'.
And we are talking about the word atheISM, not atheOS. Good. Glad we agree and that you are finally learning English.
<quoted text>
Wrong. Don't believe me, ask Skippy. Your atheist alter-ego.
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By "golden" you mean shower, don't you? Sorry Buck, not interested.
No, little one.

(A) "theos" - god; (B) "atheos" - no god.

Eventually, embracing (A) means "theism"

Eventually, embracing (B) means "atheism".

Theism is the belief there is a god. Atheism is the belief that there is no god.

It's very simple. You don't have to rely on me saying it, and, thank god (pun), I don't have to rely on you saying the other, since you are a proven imbecile.

"Atheism - system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason" (Random House Encyclopedia).

Forgive me, but I like to pepper you with academic sources proving you wrong and me right.

Of course, you will never admit you are wrong, for example, on the thrashing I gave you on simultaneous causality.

“Think&Care”

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#1221 May 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's the error - the same universe without god is available.
The conclusion is contained in the premise.
And the assumption that it is contained in the premise is assuming your conclusion.

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#1222 May 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I did. EVERYTHING "must" have a cause EXCEPT your position - because you're a monumentally massive hypocrite.
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And as most other people who can read basic English could see, so was YOURS. Prior to investigation both premises are valid, and both were presented.
No investigation is useful because the god-free universe like ours is provided in the question.

I would not investigate a universe for evidence of god if it is already stipulated to be absent in the identical universe.

Idiot.

The exercise is incoherent.

“Think&Care”

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#1223 May 13, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
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Just "wrong"
Please elaborate.[/QUOTE]

Why? His only claim was that an uncaused niverse is impossible. He didn't support hs idea. I simply pointed out that the idea is wrong. When/if he attempts to support his idea, I will show how his justifications fail.

“Think&Care”

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#1224 May 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Then show us how the "known laws of physics and chemistry" produced self-replicating life.
Look around you. All 'self-replicating life' that you see around you follows the laws of physics and chemistry.
I say it doesn't work so well with "known laws".
Sure it does. See above. Which specific law do you think is broken?

“Think&Care”

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#1225 May 13, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Also notice that a universe cannot create itself and it could only be god to create it.
Wrong.

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#1226 May 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I did. EVERYTHING "must" have a cause EXCEPT your position - because you're a monumentally massive hypocrite.
Pay attention. And sit up straight.

I didn't say "everything" must have a cause.

I said everything that begins to exist must have a cause.

An atemporal causal agent, whatever it is, would be timeless and spaceless. Timeless and spaceless verities do not require a cause, and, arguably, could not be caused, as there logically would be no "non-existence" associated with it.

No causality is necessary, and the infinite regression argument does not apply.

I can explain the logic for you; I cannot understand it for you.

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