Is the bible a fairy tale?

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#897 May 8, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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No, it's taught in many schools in my country.
That was "The Dud".

He gets everything wrong.

Even if he agreed with the right answer, he would disagree with himself and get it wrong.

He's kinda a reverse savant.
Lincoln

United States

#898 May 8, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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No, it's taught in many schools in my country.
Last year, the Georgia legislature passed a bill that allows the state's public high
schools to offer elective courses on the history and literature of the Bible.

Studying about the Bible in public high school English and social studies classes is both academically valuable and legally grounded. In 1999, The Bible in Public Schools: A First Amendment Guide was compiled and endorsed by a diverse coalition of 21 prominent educational, religious, and civil liberty organizations, including the National School Boards Association. This document provides guidelines for teaching a legal, academic course about the Bible in public schools. Such courses offer great academic value because the Bible has had a timeless influence on literature, culture, and public discourse. Furthermore, non-devotional teaching about the Bible has a firm legal foundation, and classroom materials to ensure that these courses are taught effectively and appropriately are now in use nationwide.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#899 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, it isn't.
That is true. Of course when it is taught the instructors still normally do it in an illegal fashion.
Lincoln

United States

#900 May 8, 2013
1. Consensus on the Academic Value of Teaching a Course on the Bible: In four major studies, educators at the secondary and post-secondary levels reported that the Bible is key to a good education.

1. College English department chairs were asked what they wished incoming freshmen had read. The most frequently named work was the Bible.(Juhasz and Wilson,“Should students be well read or should they read well?” NASSP Bulletin 70(488):78-83.)

2. In a 1997 study, 81 percent of high school English teachers surveyed reported it was important to teach some Bible literature.(Wachlin,“The Place of Bible Literature in Public High School English Classes,” Research in the Teaching of English 31(1): 7-49.)

3. In 2005, 98 percent of high school English teachers surveyed agreed Bible literacy was academically advantageous.(Bible Literacy Report, 2005)

4. In a 2006 study, English professors from America’s top-rated schools -- Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Texas A&M, UC-Berkeley and others -- were interviewed on the need for basic literacy in the Bible. No professor disagreed that “Regardless of a person’s faith, an educated person needs to know the Bible.” The professors said the Bible is “indispensable,” provides “great advantage,” and is “absolutely crucial.”(Bible Literacy Report II, 2006)

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#901 May 8, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
1. Consensus on the Academic Value of Teaching a Course on the Bible: In four major studies, educators at the secondary and post-secondary levels reported that the Bible is key to a good education.
1. College English department chairs were asked what they wished incoming freshmen had read. The most frequently named work was the Bible.(Juhasz and Wilson,“Should students be well read or should they read well?” NASSP Bulletin 70(488):78-83.)
2. In a 1997 study, 81 percent of high school English teachers surveyed reported it was important to teach some Bible literature.(Wachlin,“The Place of Bible Literature in Public High School English Classes,” Research in the Teaching of English 31(1): 7-49.)
3. In 2005, 98 percent of high school English teachers surveyed agreed Bible literacy was academically advantageous.(Bible Literacy Report, 2005)
4. In a 2006 study, English professors from America’s top-rated schools -- Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Texas A&M, UC-Berkeley and others -- were interviewed on the need for basic literacy in the Bible. No professor disagreed that “Regardless of a person’s faith, an educated person needs to know the Bible.” The professors said the Bible is “indispensable,” provides “great advantage,” and is “absolutely crucial.”(Bible Literacy Report II, 2006)
Surprise, surprise, surprise a godbot web site saying the bibull is good for you.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#902 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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And it's Thor's day tomorrow.
Yeah, as my dyslexic friends like to say, every god has his day...

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#903 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That arrogant and snotty reply is received with the same lack of respect with which it is offered.
If you had an ability to spot logical flaws, and you do not, you would be falling on my side of these arguments against things like the possibility of real infinite quantities, a beginningless universe, and the self-serving dilution of terms of debate like "atheism".
If you run across someone "more knowledgeable" than me on this thread of misfits, goofballs, and narcissists, point him out to me. Please.
I'm afraid that would be far too long a list... let's just say almost everyone with whom you contend. I don't feel compelled to point out every flaw that I see, either. That would keep me far too busy. Assessing the possibility of infinitude outside of theory is both beyond my ken and incredibly boring. I don't come here to be bored.

Did you ever look into the principles of lexicography as I suggested some months ago, by the way? I think you'd be fascinated by the processes by which professionals come up with the definitions that we look up from time to time. I like the idea that language is always changing and that words are as fluid as the ideas that we use them to describe. Makes life so much more interesting.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#904 May 8, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
1. Consensus on the Academic Value of Teaching a Course on the Bible: In four major studies, educators at the secondary and post-secondary levels reported that the Bible is key to a good education.
1. College English department chairs were asked what they wished incoming freshmen had read. The most frequently named work was the Bible.(Juhasz and Wilson,“Should students be well read or should they read well?” NASSP Bulletin 70(488):78-83.)
2. In a 1997 study, 81 percent of high school English teachers surveyed reported it was important to teach some Bible literature.(Wachlin,“The Place of Bible Literature in Public High School English Classes,” Research in the Teaching of English 31(1): 7-49.)
3. In 2005, 98 percent of high school English teachers surveyed agreed Bible literacy was academically advantageous.(Bible Literacy Report, 2005)
4. In a 2006 study, English professors from America’s top-rated schools -- Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Texas A&M, UC-Berkeley and others -- were interviewed on the need for basic literacy in the Bible. No professor disagreed that “Regardless of a person’s faith, an educated person needs to know the Bible.” The professors said the Bible is “indispensable,” provides “great advantage,” and is “absolutely crucial.”(Bible Literacy Report II, 2006)
Lincoln wrote:
1. Consensus on the Academic Value of Teaching a Course on the Bible: In four major studies, educators at the secondary and post-secondary levels reported that the Bible is key to a good education.
1. College English department chairs were asked what they wished incoming freshmen had read. The most frequently named work was the Bible.(Juhasz and Wilson,“Should students be well read or should they read well?” NASSP Bulletin 70(488):78-83.)
2. In a 1997 study, 81 percent of high school English teachers surveyed reported it was important to teach some Bible literature.(Wachlin,“The Place of Bible Literature in Public High School English Classes,” Research in the Teaching of English 31(1): 7-49.)
2. I was 4 in 1997
1. You had two 1's in your post.
1. You had two 1's in your post.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#905 May 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
1. Consensus on the Academic Value of Teaching a Course on the Bible: In four major studies, educators at the secondary and post-secondary levels reported that the Bible is key to a good education.
1. College English department chairs were asked what they wished incoming freshmen had read. The most frequently named work was the Bible.(Juhasz and Wilson,“Should students be well read or should they read well?” NASSP Bulletin 70(488):78-83.)
2. In a 1997 study, 81 percent of high school English teachers surveyed reported it was important to teach some Bible literature.(Wachlin,“The Place of Bible Literature in Public High School English Classes,” Research in the Teaching of English 31(1): 7-49.)
3. In 2005, 98 percent of high school English teachers surveyed agreed Bible literacy was academically advantageous.(Bible Literacy Report, 2005)
4. In a 2006 study, English professors from America’s top-rated schools -- Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Texas A&M, UC-Berkeley and others -- were interviewed on the need for basic literacy in the Bible. No professor disagreed that “Regardless of a person’s faith, an educated person needs to know the Bible.” The professors said the Bible is “indispensable,” provides “great advantage,” and is “absolutely crucial.”(Bible Literacy Report II, 2006)
Personally, I think Shakespeare's plays and sonnets make for a much better understanding of the language and culture of the Elizabethan era, and I think that the comedies are actually even better than the histories and tragedies for that purpose. He practically invented the situation comedy, and even today, many of the best ones follow the forms that he originated. Yeah, I'd take Shakespeare over the Bible any day.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#906 May 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The God of Israel is also called "Prince of Peace" but this does not refer to Jesus. Jesus admits he's brought war and division. If there was no Jesus, Islamic doctrine wouldn't have even materialized in the same form it is now. The Quran is based at least in part on the supposed validity of the new testament. I also do not believe the serpent spoke, it was Adam. Balaams' donkey also didn't literally speak, but it did communicate. "The simple believe every word..."
Yes I'm sure your baseless religious opinions are all very fascinating to you but you're not telling me anything other than which bits you like to pick and choose from the Abrahamic religions nor solving the problem of your contradictory belief system.

This is why no-one takes you seriously.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#907 May 9, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
Not entirely. It's still an important part of world literature, and the KJV is an important work of English Lit., and comparative religion classes need to look at scriptures from all of the major faiths
Understand that; I was referring to basic school education where comparative religious classes are quire rare because fundies can't be trusted to teach it properly.
NightSerf wrote:
I have to disagree. All of the theists I know personally are quite honest and, as long as religion is avoided, quite normal and easy to deal with. Theism isn't a disease. It's just an incorrect belief, albeit a pervasive one, but one that doesn't affect daily life all that much. Most people aren't as religious as all that. They believe in a half-hearted way (unless one foolishly challenges them on it), but it doesn't affect they way they navigate life.
You're talking to Skippy the 'Skeptic' here, he's a fundie - just on the opposite side of the coin. I swear him and Buck were separated at birth.
susanblange wrote:
There is no basis for morality without God and he does not need to lie, the truth is strange enough.
God has plenty of fundies to lie for him. Such as your claim here. There is no basis for morality WITH God (who is invariably portrayed as an absolute ahole) as you would merely be doing whatever he said without question. That's not morality. If there's any decision-making process there it's about desire for eternal paradise or avoiding eternal punishment.
Buck Crick wrote:
What you describe is not a paradox of "theism".

It might be a paradox of certain religious views, to those who do not understand that foreknowledge and free will are not mutually exclusive.

And no, you won't get that, either.
Yes I understand you will not allow your beliefs to be threatened. But simple fact is in light of foreknowledge our "free will" becomes completely redundant. But then God can't help it because God has no free will due to already knowing everything he's gonna do before he did it. Therefore he's as screwed as us, hence not all powerful and not God. It consequently disappears in a puff of logic.
Buck Crick wrote:
You realize that's 3rd grade level mockery?

Perhaps you don't.
Considering your response to Bob (and many of your posts in general btw) your post is particularly ironic.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#908 May 9, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That arrogant and snotty reply is received with the same lack of respect with which it is offered.
If you had an ability to spot logical flaws, and you do not, you would be falling on my side of these arguments against things like the possibility of real infinite quantities, a beginningless universe, and the self-serving dilution of terms of debate like "atheism".
If you run across someone "more knowledgeable" than me on this thread of misfits, goofballs, and narcissists, point him out to me. Please.
Okay, ya got him.

You're probably smarter than the average YEC we get around here.

Time for you to go out and buy some more purple pants again, Banner?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#909 May 9, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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I'm afraid that would be far too long a list... let's just say almost everyone with whom you contend. I don't feel compelled to point out every flaw that I see, either. That would keep me far too busy. Assessing the possibility of infinitude outside of theory is both beyond my ken and incredibly boring. I don't come here to be bored.
Did you ever look into the principles of lexicography as I suggested some months ago, by the way? I think you'd be fascinated by the processes by which professionals come up with the definitions that we look up from time to time. I like the idea that language is always changing and that words are as fluid as the ideas that we use them to describe. Makes life so much more interesting.
Have I ever looked into "the process of lexicography"?

Have you ever looked into the process of bullshit?

The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#910 May 9, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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No, it's taught in many schools in my country.
My error, I didn't clarify enough. It would only be allowed to be taught in public schools in an objectively taught comparative religions class. It may be taught lots in fundie schools but then they aren't necessarily providing "education".

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#911 May 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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My error, I didn't clarify enough. It would only be allowed to be taught in public schools in an objectively taught comparative religions class. It may be taught lots in fundie schools but then they aren't necessarily providing "education".
But it is providing hope, even if Christians to believe superstition, at least we help the world and are much kinder people than what an atheist will never be.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#912 May 9, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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So, why will god wait until it's too late to really let us know he exists?
Only the wicked go to hell. The Lord will plead with all flesh up until the end and then they will kill him. Then it will be too late. The book of life will be written for those that fear the Lord and think upon his name, and all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. To do this, you have to know who God is and at the end it will come down to belief.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#913 May 9, 2013
Fairy Tail... I guess we'll see...

The mark of the beast - 666

The beast will arrive on the earth in the very near future. When he comes the whole world will be aware of his coming. It will not be a secret. The beast has many names. Among others he is called the anti-christ, the Devil, Satan, 666man, 666devil and the dragon. He will be supremely evil. But there is a catch. He won’t appear to be evil. He will be very deceptive. He will have a supernatural and glorious arrival on earth. He will look like God and will appear to be good. People on earth will react by worshiping him and believing that he is their God.

The beast – the antichrist, the 666man – is not a person. He is the devil himself. But he will come disguised as God.

“And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.” Revelation 13:1.

Notice that the beast has seven heads and each head has a blasphemous name on it. Blasphemy is claiming to be God when you aren’t God. He will claim to be God even though he is not God. He will give himself seven names that are variations of God’s name.

*Some better hope it is a 'Fairy Tail'

Have a nice day!

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#914 May 9, 2013
correct - tale... I get too excited... lol
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#915 May 9, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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But it is providing hope, even if Christians to believe superstition, at least we help the world and are much kinder people than what an atheist will never be.
Providing hope while teaching and worshiping ignorance? I'm sure Galileo thought the Christian establishment was very kind when he DARED to contradict the Bible by suggesting the Earth wasn't the center of the universe.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#916 May 9, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
correct - tale... I get too excited... lol
Yeah, we've noticed you fundies get giddy when threatening non-believers with eternal torture. By the way if you don't convert to Wicca then the wicked witch of the west will turn you into a frog and throw you in a stew.

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