Is the bible a fairy tale?

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#796 May 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Before there was a sun, there was the light of God. "Circle" just means the earth is round.
Light of God? Come on, grow up and accept the fact the story in Genesis is a myth. The people who wrote it didn't know the earth is a sphere, that it rotates, and that's what causes night and day. They didn't know plants need light, and that it's the sun that is keeping the earth from being close to 0 Kelivn even during the night.

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#797 May 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When VWD Day comes we will all know there is a God. God gave us free will and dominion in the earth and we have misused that God given power. God is coming to judge the earth and the wicked will be cut off out of it. But then it will be too late for you. You've made yourself an enemy of God.
Why is god going to wait until it's too late for us to change our ways to let us know he is going to judge us?

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#798 May 7, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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his saying logical sense, atheism is a belief.
Is lack of belief in Zeus "a belief"? What about lack of belief in "Neptune."? The FSM?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#799 May 7, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Albeit the Cosmos (an orderly or harmonious system)are 'Awesome.' Hence the word harmonious, not Science. Sweetheart, what is left out of the Bible is not important for us to know...:)
That is just your hate speaking....
Snevaeh legna wrote:
ps....and remember Bob, I love Science... but it is not the end all...
Except when science proves beyond a doubt, your god cannot exist as described.

Such as omniscience: your god cannot BE omniscient-- that would collapse the universe.

So your god, as described, is impossible--

---therefore?

Doesn't exist.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#800 May 7, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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They want to cut spending on things like welfare, unemployment benefits, schools, while increasing spending for the things that really contribute to the deficit, like military spending and cut taxes for corporations.
Yep.

More of that deficit spending Reagan was so [in]famous for-- busy too..
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#801 May 7, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Why is god going to wait until it's too late for us to change our ways to let us know he is going to judge us?
The Lord right now is "a voice crying in the wilderness" and the Lord will "plead with all flesh" until the end which is the death and resurrection of the Messiah. VWD Day is just the beginning and only the enemies of God will be cut off at that time. Everybody else is going to get a second chance until the Messiahs' trial. Then all the wicked and all who will not repent will be cut off. Isaiah 24:6 "...therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left". I hope there will be more than 3, probably 3%.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#802 May 7, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Typical conservative behavior. Demand de-regulation and then blame the liberal for the consequence. The second step is to stand against your own conservative principles and to ask the government for money.
Conservative states are the biggest takers of welfare.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/opinion/kru...
Remember how good conservative Paul Ryan sought stimulus funds
https://www.google.com/webhp...
Yep and yep...

... the D9ck in Texas? The one who was totally AGAINST federal funds?

He had the stones to ask for federal money, when his UNREGULATED fertilizer factory blew up, due to owner's negligence...

... ugg.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#803 May 7, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Reagan and his British female counterpart were both crooked imperialists responsible for crimes against humanity.
No argument from me, here.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#804 May 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, agnosticism is a lack of knowledge. The etymology alone tells yo that much. An agnostic claims that they have not seen enough evidence to believe in a god or not.
Atheism has all sorts of variations. The best analogy I have seen is comparing it to a criminal trial. Just because someone is found "not guilty" does not mean they are innocent. Right now if the world went on trial as to whether there is a god or not the verdict would be not guilty of having a god. There may be a god out there somewhere, there is no credible evidence of a god existing.
No. There is credible evidence. It is not conclusive.

Agnosticism's "lack of knowledge" to make the determination is what gives agnosticism the absence of a belief, not believing one way or the other.

Atheism is NOT absence of a belief on the question.

"Atheism: a + theos, denying god" (Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology).

"Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not" (Academic American Encyclopedia).

"Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason" (Random House Encyclopedia).

"Atheism (from the Greek a-, not, and theos, god) is the view that there are no gods. A widely used sense denotes merely not believing in God and is consistent with agnosticism. A stricter sense denotes a belief that there is no God, the use has become the standard one" (Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy).

"Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God. Some atheists support this claim by arguments, but these arguments are usually directed against the Christian concept of God, and are largely irrelevant to other possible gods" (Oxford Companion to Philosophy).

"Atheism is disbelief in God" (Introduction to Philosophy, Perry and Bratman, Oxford University Press).

"Atheism from the Greek a (not) plus theos (god). The doctrine of disbelief in a supreme being" (Dictionary of Philosophy and Religion, William Reese, HumanitiesPress).

"Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God" (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).

"Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist" (The World Book Encyclopedia).

"Atheism, Greek atheos-Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of God" (Oxford English Dictionary)

"Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty" (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).

"According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no godÂ…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)" (The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).

"Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good" (Encyclopedia of Religion).

"Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power"(Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).

"Atheism denies the existence of deity" (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#805 May 7, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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It is hard to be nice to them when they tell you that you are going to hell for simply inheriting a legacy of an act that you did not commit(Adam and Eve) and that in order to save yourself you must prostrate yourself before their delusion.
They send their preachers to molest people who simply want to enjoy life, telling us how wicked we are because we are not them.
If you ask me, that is true impertinence and condescension.
No wonder the Romans did not like them.
Indeed.

It's also hard to be nice to someone who is constantly talking down to you--

-- have you noticed that? Godbots >>always<< speak from a self-superior position-- they pretend they are "magically special", and that we are ... not.

I really detest that attitude the most, I think.

One reason why I slam them so very hard, I suppose.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#806 May 7, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You cannot have free will in lew of an eternal all-powerful all-knowing creator.
An "all-powerful" creator could give you free will in any circumstance.

Or he would not be "all powerful".

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#807 May 7, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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I suspect charchar isn't up to the challenge of understanding basic arithmetic.
Indeed-- it is doubtful he could discover a valid total of his digits, even if he did have the advantage of no shoes...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#808 May 7, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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It's also funny to say that there was NOTHING!!! AND all of a sudden, there was earth. That's impossible and even scientists are starting to deny the Big bang.
It is funny-- but only idiots (like you) who believe in stone-age fairy tales (bible) make such silly and ignorant claims.

Yes... laughable; just like your silly beliefs.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#809 May 7, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Or a book of truth
Only if you are severely brain-damaged...

... which, based entirely on your posts? Is a distinct possibility.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#811 May 7, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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The buy bull's a book on how to buy a bull, why I wonder why atheists want to buy a bull so much?
We don't-- that is why we call ourselves atheists...

... we don't buy the bullsh7t that is the bible.

Sadly?

You do buy the bullsh7t... you buy it so much, that your eyes are brown from over-exposure to bullshyt....

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#812 May 7, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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Agreed. Archaeologists have proved that the israelites did not live in egpyt, did not wander the desert, did not conquer local tribes, and did not pass it on to 12 tribes of israel. The stories of Jesus are contradictory and filled with problems and errors. So yes not exactly history.
The entire bible is no older than 500BCE, with much of it no older than 300CE.

Claims to the contrary are not supported by any facts.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#813 May 7, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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An "all-powerful" creator could give you free will in any circumstance.
Or he would not be "all powerful".
That statement is contradictory-- internally contradicts itself.

If an all-powerful god DID give away some of his power, by allowing free will?

He would no longer be all-powerful-- for he would be unable to change the free will of a person having that.

If he could? They would no longer HAVE any free will.

So your statement is 100% false, due to logic fail.

But that's only to be expected: you and logic are not acquainted.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#814 May 7, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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That statement is contradictory-- internally contradicts itself.
If an all-powerful god DID give away some of his power, by allowing free will?
He would no longer be all-powerful-- for he would be unable to change the free will of a person having that.
If he could? They would no longer HAVE any free will.
So your statement is 100% false, due to logic fail.
But that's only to be expected: you and logic are not acquainted.
You are an idiot, Bob.

Creating a being with free will does not involve "giving away" power.

An "all powerful" being would have the power to do anything and still be all powerful, or it would not be all-powerful.

It's no crime to be stupid, but you could try harder to conceal it.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#815 May 7, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are an idiot, Bob.
Creating a being with free will does not involve "giving away" power.
False. To have free will? A person MUST be able to do something that the formerly "all powerful" being would not want to happen.

If that is not possible? Then there can be NO free will.

And the being CAN NOT be "all powerful" if people can do things it does not want.

You cannot have a square-circle.

And?

YOU ARE A LOW-GRADE MORON.

Just so you know...

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#816 May 7, 2013
Bob, yes, I believe there is no god. That is because there is no evidence for a god and there is quite a bit of evidence against various beliefs.

Most theists ignore the evidence out there. They believe there nonsense regardless of evidence. I am not slamming your own personal beliefs here. I am unaware of them. The ones I am slamming are the various fundamental sects.

I got off point. If actual evidence arose that there is a god I and most other atheists would change our mind. Regardless of the god there was evidence for most theist would ignore it and keep following their own personal god.

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