Is the bible a fairy tale?

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#2993 Jun 24, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Continued..........
(38) Supposed evolutionary fossil sequences often parallel the ecological zonation that occurs today (Morris p:686). If a global flood mixed organisms from different areas, it would create the illusion of a fossil sequence over time.
Wrong. A global flood would have organized fossils by density. This is not what is actually seen.
(39) Dinosaurs and many other prehistoric creatures died out suddenly. A catastrophe such as a global flood could have produced this result.
And how do you account for that Iridium layer? And the impact crater off the coast of the Yucatan?
(40) Polystrate fossils (viz. vertical fossil tree trunks) that are found worldwide indicate turbulent or rapid deposition. A global flood would be required to do this worldwide.
Wrong. These are common in swamp deposits and the process can be seen happening today.
(41) Polystrate fossils also form when water-logged timber sinks in a large body of water. A year long global flood could produce worldwide polystrate fossils formed in this way.
or a swamp.
(42) Animal tracks and other ephemeral markings (ripple-marks and raindrop imprints) have been preserved throughout the geological column. Rapid covering of these markings is required for this preservation worldwide - ie. by a global flood.
A falsehood.
(43) Meteorites are basically absent from the geologic column. With the large number of meteorites hitting the earth each year, they should be very plentiful throughout the sedimentary rocks - unless much of the world's sedimentary rocks were laid down in one year.
A dramatic falsehood. We have records of many different meteor impacts, including the one associated with the death of the dinosaurs. The 'large number' hitting each year are mostly very small. And yes, we can pick up their isotopic signatures.
(46) There is evidence of a recent drastic rise in sea level. A global flood could easily have created this feature.
(47) Raised shorelines are found worldwide indicating a time when the world had a different sea level. A consistent interpretation of this is that a global flood altered the levels of the oceans and seas.
This is caused by rebound from the ice sheets (ice is heavy and tends to push the continental plates down).
(50) There is a universal occurrence of rivers in valleys too large for the present stream. Slow erosion over millions of years could not have created these valleys as the mountains would have eroded, keeping pace with the valley erosion. The drainage of global floodwaters from the land surface could easily create such wide valleys in a short period of time.
Runoff from glaciers is a better explanation, especially given the distribution of glacial erratics (rocks carried by the glaciers) and drumlins.

Hint: Henry Morris is a liar.

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#2994 Jun 24, 2013
Just Think wrote:
Wow...that was a LOT of spam.
Meanwhile, there is still no proof that any of the thousands of gods ever worshipped by man ever existed.
Next?
Not a proof of God. Not a proof of a global flood. Just a lot of claims to 'evidence' where no real evidence is given.

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#2995 Jun 24, 2013
Highway to stupidity said.

"(55) There is a worldwide occurrence of deep alluvial deposits and sedimentary rocks consistent with a huge global flood."

In fact this is evidence that the Earth was once a shallow ocean, but this was long before any man set foot upon it.

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#2996 Jun 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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From the research article announcing this discovery:
"CONCLUSIONS
Anoxia or extensive diatom mats don’t seem to be adequate ex-
planations for the unusual whale preservation or the lack of inverte-
brate scavengers and lack of bioturbation. The evidence for shallow
water and high energy do not favor anoxia, and the sediment contains
evidence of broken-up mats, but not intact series of mats. Several lines
of evidence seem to allow the possibility that the Pisco Formation
diatomaceous sediment accumulated more rapidly than commonly oc-
curs today. For example, Pisco Formation diatom frustules do not show
evidence of dissolution, perhaps because, in the relatively shallow wa-
ter, they accumulated too rapidly to dissolve. Sedimentary structures
also indicate tidal current action and storms, which could have acted
to concentrate diatoms in the shallow bays along the Peruvian coast.
The well-preserved whale carcasses seem to require rapid burial, within
weeks to months for any given whale, to account for their preservation
and articulation, including fossilization of some nonbony tissues. This
necessity of rapid burial indicates that, at times in the past, diatom
accumulation rates were much higher than those typical in modern
oceans. This rapid accumulation was most likely predominantly the
result of lateral advection of phytoplankton by currents and/or storms
into shallow bays. The volume of phytoplankton available for advec-
tion was enhanced by abundant blooms offshore, as most diatom spe-
cies represent environments with deeper water than the bays in which
they accumulated (B. Winsborough, 2003, personal commun.)."
In other words, there was a fungal bloom that dramatically increased the rate of diatom deposition.
Again, this is NOT evidence for a *global* flood, let alone one in the last few thousand years (the whales in the article are millions of years old: Miocene-Pliocene).
Sorry, I should have given a link to the article:

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/23167... (2)_Fossil_Whales_and_diatom_a ccumulation_rates/file/79e4150 6f26576a352.pdf

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#2997 Jun 24, 2013
One more time (sorry):
www.researchgate.net/publication/231674882_Br... (2)_Fossil_Whales_and_diatom_a ccumulation_rates/file/79e4150 6f26576a352.pdf

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#2998 Jun 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Cult and paste.
He said there was no evidence for the flood.

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#2999 Jun 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>From the research article announcing this discovery:

"CONCLUSIONS
Anoxia or extensive diatom mats don’t seem to be adequate ex-
planations for the unusual whale preservation or the lack of inverte-
brate scavengers and lack of bioturbation. The evidence for shallow
water and high energy do not favor anoxia, and the sediment contains
evidence of broken-up mats, but not intact series of mats. Several lines
of evidence seem to allow the possibility that the Pisco Formation
diatomaceous sediment accumulated more rapidly than commonly oc-
curs today. For example, Pisco Formation diatom frustules do not show
evidence of dissolution, perhaps because, in the relatively shallow wa-
ter, they accumulated too rapidly to dissolve. Sedimentary structures
also indicate tidal current action and storms, which could have acted
to concentrate diatoms in the shallow bays along the Peruvian coast.
The well-preserved whale carcasses seem to require rapid burial, within
weeks to months for any given whale, to account for their preservation
and articulation, including fossilization of some nonbony tissues. This
necessity of rapid burial indicates that, at times in the past, diatom
accumulation rates were much higher than those typical in modern
oceans. This rapid accumulation was most likely predominantly the
result of lateral advection of phytoplankton by currents and/or storms
into shallow bays. The volume of phytoplankton available for advec-
tion was enhanced by abundant blooms offshore, as most diatom spe-
cies represent environments with deeper water than the bays in which
they accumulated (B. Winsborough, 2003, personal commun.)."

In other words, there was a fungal bloom that dramatically increased the rate of diatom deposition.

Again, this is NOT evidence for a *global* flood, let alone one in the last few thousand years (the whales in the article are millions of years old: Miocene-Pliocene).
Wrong. Are you kidding me?

Really?

Grasping here.

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#3000 Jun 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, a lot of places have floods and make legends. That is NOT evidence of a global flood, just that people think along the same lines in many places.
Wrong, it is evidence maybe not proof but it for sure is evidence.

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#3001 Jun 24, 2013
Keep saying no evidence so everyone can see how well the blinders fit.

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#3002 Jun 24, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Wrong, it is evidence maybe not proof but it for sure is evidence.
Unless you have a unifying characteristic you only have evidence of separate events. Which is what we find with floods , lots of little one here and there at different times. Besides the fact the tale is impossible, because there isn't enough water on Earth to cause a flood of that magnitude.
Thinking

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#3003 Jun 24, 2013
Why did you feel obliged to post a load of old bollocks?
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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He said there was no evidence for the flood.

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#3004 Jun 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Wrong. Are you kidding me?
Really?
Grasping here.
Lol, look at the failed troll's face turning red in the face of hard facts that crush his mental illness.

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#3005 Jun 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Wrong, it is evidence maybe not proof but it for sure is evidence.
Given that there is a simpler explanation based on known human characteristics, it is incredibly poor evidence. Floods happen all over the earth. Flash floods even happen in deserts. It is common in floods to have people floating by of rafts they find. Go from that to a very large flood and someone bringing along a few animals and you have the beginning of the story of Noah.

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#3006 Jun 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Wrong. Are you kidding me?
Really?
Grasping here.
I quote directly from the original article. That article directly contradicts your claims in several different ways. This is not evidence of a flood at all, let alone a global flood within the last few thousand years.

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#3007 Jun 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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He said there was no evidence for the flood.
And that is still true. There is no scientific evidence for a global flood within the last several thousand years. What you posted was a collection of irrelevancies, blatant falsehoods, and choices of the least possible explanation.

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#3008 Jun 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Keep saying no evidence so everyone can see how well the blinders fit.
Your evidence doesn't rise to even to a fraction of what we have as evidence for supersymmetry, which is mighty thin. The difference is that in your case, there are simpler explanations based on known phenomena that explain everything.

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#3009 Jun 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Why did you feel obliged to post a load of old bollocks?
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Tzar only knows how to copy and paste when it comes to science. There is absolutely no understanding of what science is, how it works, and what its goals are. And yet, there is a desperate attempt to show that science supports a myth about a global flood.

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#3010 Jun 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Unless you have a unifying characteristic you only have evidence of separate events. Which is what we find with floods , lots of little one here and there at different times. Besides the fact the tale is impossible, because there isn't enough water on Earth to cause a flood of that magnitude.
Oh yes there is enough water.

"The whole earth was covered with the Flood waters, and the world that then existed was destroyed by the very waters out of which the earth had originally emerged at God's command (Genesis 1:9; 2 Peter 3:5,6). But where did those waters go after the flood?

There are a number of Scripture passages that identify the flood waters with the present-day seas (Amos 9:6 and Job 38:8-11 note “waves”). If the waters are still here, why are the highest mountains not still covered with water, as they were in Noah's day? Psalm 104 suggests an answer. After the waters covered the mountains (verse 6), God rebuked them and they fled (verse 7); the mountains rose, the valleys sank down (verse 8) and God set a boundary so that they will never again cover the earth (verse 9)[1]. They are the same waters!

Isaiah gives this same statement that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth (Isaiah 54:9). Clearly, what the Bible is telling us is that God acted to alter the earth's topography. New continental landmasses bearing new mountain chains of folded rock strata were uplifted from below the globe-encircling waters that had eroded and leveled the pre-Flood topography, while large deep ocean basin were formed to receive and accommodate the Flood waters that then drained off the emerging continents.

That is why the oceans are so deep, and why there are folded mountain ranges. Indeed, if the entire earth's surface were leveled by smoothing out the topography of not only the land surface but also the rock surface on the ocean floor, the waters of the ocean would cover the earth's surface to a depth of 1.7 miles (2.7 kilometers). We need to remember that nearly 70 percent of the earth's surface is still covered by water. Quite clearly, then, the waters of Noah's Flood are in today's ocean basins."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-flo...

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#3011 Jun 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Why did you feel obliged to post a load of old bollocks?
It was suggested that there was no evidence of Noah's flood. So I posted less the .00001% of the evidence.

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#3012 Jun 25, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Given that there is a simpler explanation based on known human characteristics, it is incredibly poor evidence. Floods happen all over the earth. Flash floods even happen in deserts. It is common in floods to have people floating by of rafts they find. Go from that to a very large flood and someone bringing along a few animals and you have the beginning of the story of Noah.
You confuse folk lore story's with Gods word.

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