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How Does A Person Go From Believer To Atheist?

There are 73 comments on the WGBH story from Nov 22, 2013, titled How Does A Person Go From Believer To Atheist?. In it, WGBH reports that:

When two young Mormon missionaries knock on performer Julia Sweeney's door one day, it touches off a quest to completely rethink her own beliefs.

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susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#69 Nov 27, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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What do you base this on? Most historians reject the OT narratives overall (though they have some nuggets of history). Genesis and Exodus, for example, are fictions. The stories of the Israelites are also largely exaggerated.
I accept the Torah as true until it is proven otherwise. Whenever there is a new archaeological discovery, it confirms the accuracy of the bible. If it wasn't reliable, how would we justify the covenant that God gave to Moses, the children of Israel, and all future generations? It also may have been corrupted because some of the laws aren't justifiable according to modern standards. I think the ten commandments are absolutely true and are the word of the living God.

Since: Dec 11

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#71 Nov 27, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I accept the Torah as true until it is proven otherwise. Whenever there is a new archaeological discovery, it confirms the accuracy of the bible.
This is completely false, Susan.

Numerous lines of evidence (archaeology, biology, physics, geology) all prove Noah's flood to be false. Archaeology has proven definitively that the Exodus never occurred - The Hebrews were not enslaved in Egypt, they didn't win their freedom, and they didn't cross the desert over the course of 40 years. They were simply a Canaanite offshoot.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#72 Nov 27, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Do you speak a second language?
Modern languages lose meaning when translated?
The OT has been translated ...thus losing some meaning"
"The OT is incredibly accurate and is reliable as a historical document." --- I would think more about this?
Peace
I speak a little bit of Hebrew and Spanish. English is a good language to translate into because there are so many words. Translating from English is something else. In the NWO, we will all speak the same language. Zephaniah 3:9 "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent". I think this will be English because it is the most widely spoken second language in the world. It is also the language God will give her dissertation in, the equivalent of the sermon on the mount. Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people"
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#73 Nov 27, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Theres no such thing as god, until religious liars can prove this crap once and for all.
They know they can't so they insult, threaten and misdirect - its part of the mental illness of faith.
And you don't think you insult, threaten, and misdirect? I am not a Christian and I do not believe in myths. When God comes she will be able to throw a lightning bolt from her right hand. Will you believe in God then? This should happen by the end of next year. Of course Christians will explain it away and have been taught and conditioned not to believe their own eyes. The final battle will be between Christians and Jews. The victor is whose Messiah comes back on the Mount of Olives.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#74 Nov 27, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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This is completely false, Susan.
Numerous lines of evidence (archaeology, biology, physics, geology) all prove Noah's flood to be false. Archaeology has proven definitively that the Exodus never occurred - The Hebrews were not enslaved in Egypt, they didn't win their freedom, and they didn't cross the desert over the course of 40 years. They were simply a Canaanite offshoot.
I trust the bible TB, until it is proven otherwise. I'm not saying it's perfect but I believe in its integrity and veracity. The flood did happen, but I believe it was local and it covered the entire known world. Most if not all civilizations have a flood legend. Why would God or Moses make this up? The term "semitic" comes from a descendant of Shem, Noahs youngest son. He was chosen by God and had the blessing. Japheth was the eldest, had the birthright, and is the most populous. We all have a common ancestor. I also believe the Exodus happened, Passover is observed to this day.
LCNLin

United States

#75 Nov 27, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>And you don't think you insult, threaten, and misdirect?

I am not a Christian and I do not believe in myths.

When God comes she will be able to throw a lightning bolt from her right hand. Will you believe in God then? This should happen by the end of next year. Of course Christians will explain it away and have been taught and conditioned not to believe their own eyes. The final battle will be between Christians and Jews. The victor is whose Messiah comes back on the Mount of Olives.
Not to worry
S^eptic attacks anything he does not understand...
which covers a bit of territory
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#76 Nov 27, 2013
Then why trust it?
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I trust the bible TB, until it is proven otherwise. I'm not saying it's perfect...
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#77 Nov 27, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Then why trust it?
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The OT is my holy book because I have seen multitudes of scripture in it fulfilled. This has been going on for 52 years. As far as I can tell, everything that is supposed to happen up until VWD Day has happened. But I also believe there is at least one prophecy that has been broken but the breaking of scripture is the fulfillment of scripture. The bible will prove the Messiah is who she says she is. At the Messiahs trial, she will give the equivalent of the sermon on the mount, her dissertation, which has been 30 years in the making. She will be tried for the killing of her enemies. The entire world will watch this as it happens.

Since: Aug 12

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#78 Nov 27, 2013
dinosaurs died of cancer
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The OT is my holy book because I have seen multitudes of scripture in it fulfilled. This has been going on for 52 years. As far as I can tell, everything that is supposed to happen up until VWD Day has happened. But I also believe there is at least one prophecy that has been broken but the breaking of scripture is the fulfillment of scripture. The bible will prove the Messiah is who she says she is. At the Messiahs trial, she will give the equivalent of the sermon on the mount, her dissertation, which has been 30 years in the making. She will be tried for the killing of her enemies. The entire world will watch this as it happens.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#79 Nov 28, 2013
Keep a look out for those four legged birds and four legged insects. They're in the OT too.
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The OT is my holy book because I have seen multitudes of scripture in it fulfilled. This has been going on for 52 years. As far as I can tell, everything that is supposed to happen up until VWD Day has happened. But I also believe there is at least one prophecy that has been broken but the breaking of scripture is the fulfillment of scripture. The bible will prove the Messiah is who she says she is. At the Messiahs trial, she will give the equivalent of the sermon on the mount, her dissertation, which has been 30 years in the making. She will be tried for the killing of her enemies. The entire world will watch this as it happens.

Since: Dec 11

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#80 Nov 28, 2013
susanblange wrote:
The flood did happen, but I believe it was local and it covered the entire known world.
The story in the Bible is not of a local flood. It's a global flood that wipes out everyone but Noah and his family.

If you have to change the story to make it fit the facts, that should indicate to you that the original story is false.
susanblange wrote:
Most if not all civilizations have a flood legend.
Some don't, some differ significantly, and none are surprising given that early civilizations lived near rivers and coasts that flooded.
susanblange wrote:
Why would God or Moses make this up?
It's a religious narrative about God's wrath when people become evil. Don't mess around or God might wipe you out. It's a common theme.
susanblange wrote:
I also believe the Exodus happened, Passover is observed to this day.
But, it didn't. There would be evidence of Hebrew slaves in Egypt. There's not. The Exodus would have caused a very clear collapse in Egyptian civilization that simply didn't occur at that time. There would be evidence of Hebrew populations in the desert. There's not.
Cujo

Leask, Canada

#81 Nov 28, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I accept scriptures as true when I see them literally fulfilled. The OT is incredibly accurate and is reliable as a historical document. It has been remarkably well preserved, but it's not perfect. The breaking of scripture is the fulfillment of scripture. The flying roll said, "I broke my heel, they wanted to put it in a cast but I wouldn't let them". I've actually never broken a bone and I bruised my heel. But this means something. Just because something is broken doesn't mean everything in the future is all broken together. Most of the bible has already been fulfilled, the next thing is VWD Day, the first day of the Lord.
The OT is not reliable as a historical document, what so ever. Almost all of it has been completely dismissed as factual. The great flood, not scientifically possible. The whole story of creation is known to be false, as described in the OT. We know this a mountain of scientific evidence proves otherwise, such as the age of the earth, our sun being the center of our solar system, etc.

Not one shred of geological evidence of Moses, Sodom and Gomorrah, nothing! Just because a couple places in the OT exist, doesn't make the OT true.

The only way you could ever validate prophecy, is if there were places, names, dates, what the event actually is, etc. There is NONE of this in the Bible.

You can believe it all you want, but you are basing your belief on claims which have been shown false. Until you can provide actual evidence, other than a non historical piece of litterature, the logical response again is, I have no reason to believe any of it. Especially when the known factual evidence is not on your side.
John In the Wilderness

Newark, CA

#82 Nov 28, 2013
Anyone questioning the veracity of the bible should proceed with caution and utmost respect lest the fiery serpents come down from the heavens and bite you!

Numbers 21:6 :

"6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died."

And remember, if you get bit by a fire breathing dragon there is no antidote.

If you don't believe me call your local hospital and ask.

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