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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#756 Apr 26, 2013
2centz wrote:
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I have found it's a waste of my time to have a discussion with a closed mind.
Yes. Your mind is quite closed off... I know, because I used to be a Genuine Christian™ too, back in the day.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#757 Apr 26, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I did-- it was very productive. Even got paid at the end of the day. Nice.(I'm self employed)
My customer was delighted-- they usually are.
It's nice to be he Boss!:)

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#758 Apr 26, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Does not matter-- the book was wrong.
And >>I<< was paraphrasing an excellent comedic artist, Tim Minchin.
Here: "http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=HhGuXCuDb1UXX"
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The Book was called, "The tale of Two Cities''

That was fabulous!... I suppose the the silly dark haired lass was supposed to be me? Lol Thank you. I would say she was a 'wee' bit out there... but, lovable...:)

It was very funny, Thank you.

Have you seen the Sneezing Atheist; by Dane Cook?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#759 Apr 26, 2013
2centz wrote:
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:) not at all. I hope the sun is shining where you are because here in Tennessee it's gorgeous!
...but about to rain for two days, if the weather reports are to be believed. Your ISP location had me fooled. What provider are you using?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#760 Apr 26, 2013
2centz wrote:
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I have found it's a waste of my time to have a discussion with a closed mind. You probably feel the same. I can't imagine why you would make such rude comments about my family except that most non-Believers feel a need to belittle what they choose not to understand. If it gives you some kind of sense of something to be rude...have at it!
Which is better? The closed mind that is protected from facts like evolution being real or the open mind that accepts, based on hearsay and conjecture, that a god is real? Your kind display both states of mind quite often.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#761 Apr 26, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yes it was-- it's just that now that you are a victim?
You can no longer be objective about the experience. Pity.
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Why? You don't have one now-- it's all delusions entirely within your imagination.
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But the psychological tortures continued until you broke-- and now you're a victim.
As for "rely on the creator"? That's bullshyt.
But it is indicative of a giant ego on your part.
Part of the brainwashing process is to feed into your ego.
I think you may be wrong about this. Religion is often spoon-fed to children along with baby food and bedtime stories. How can a child resist ideas that are given so lovingly by parents who believe what they are teaching? That is how even the craziest of notions can pass unhindered from one generation to the next. Likewise, adults who proselytize are often kind, gentle, upright, admirable, and personally attractive, winning converts by making friends. The only "victimization" is in the falsehood in what they teach. we really should get rid of any insistence that religion is always "crammed down throats." I suspect that more often than not, it's spread much more gently. Insidious tactics rarely, if ever, include violence.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#762 Apr 26, 2013
Depends on what religion and why branch. Former Muslims would disagree about non violence and sweet spoon feeding for example.
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>I think you may be wrong about this. Religion is often spoon-fed to children along with baby food and bedtime stories. How can a child resist ideas that are given so lovingly by parents who believe what they are teaching? That is how even the craziest of notions can pass unhindered from one generation to the next. Likewise, adults who proselytize are often kind, gentle, upright, admirable, and personally attractive, winning converts by making friends. The only "victimization" is in the falsehood in what they teach. we really should get rid of any insistence that religion is always "crammed down throats." I suspect that more often than not, it's spread much more gently. Insidious tactics rarely, if ever, include violence.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#763 Apr 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Depends on what religion and why branch. Former Muslims would disagree about non violence and sweet spoon feeding for example.
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I suspect it depends on which families rather than which religions. I think that all religions probably have the same basic assortment of parenting styles, some loving and gentle, some harsh and punitive, most falling somewhere in between. All I'm saying is that religion is not alway force-fed, but I have no idea how often it is or is not. We should all be careful to avoid certainty in the face of uncertain data.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#764 Apr 26, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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I think you may be wrong about this. Religion is often spoon-fed to children along with baby food and bedtime stories. How can a child resist ideas that are given so lovingly by parents who believe what they are teaching? That is how even the craziest of notions can pass unhindered from one generation to the next. Likewise, adults who proselytize are often kind, gentle, upright, admirable, and personally attractive, winning converts by making friends. The only "victimization" is in the falsehood in what they teach. we really should get rid of any insistence that religion is always "crammed down throats." I suspect that more often than not, it's spread much more gently. Insidious tactics rarely, if ever, include violence.
Well, yes-- I did not mean to imply violence-- psychological threats/torture can be even more effective, especially if there are "friends" involved putting on the pressure to conform.

Brainwashing's still mental compulsion either way.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#765 Apr 26, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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I suspect it depends on which families rather than which religions. I think that all religions probably have the same basic assortment of parenting styles, some loving and gentle, some harsh and punitive, most falling somewhere in between. All I'm saying is that religion is not alway force-fed, but I have no idea how often it is or is not. We should all be careful to avoid certainty in the face of uncertain data.
But I do consider it to be force-fed, if the victim is an innocent child-- the child certainly hasn't the mental tools to fight that.

Nor is the child given a choice-- typically they are dragged against their will to the local institutionalized brainwashing engine-- church.

I'd call that forced, myself. No matter how much velvet you put over the iron fist-- it's still an iron fist underneath.

A gold-plated cage is still a cage.
Thinking

Blandford Forum, UK

#766 Apr 26, 2013
It depends.

My French wife saw church as a nice social club when growing up.
Our Irish catholic friend got the living shit kicked out of her.
NightSerf wrote:
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I think you may be wrong about this. Religion is often spoon-fed to children along with baby food and bedtime stories. How can a child resist ideas that are given so lovingly by parents who believe what they are teaching? That is how even the craziest of notions can pass unhindered from one generation to the next. Likewise, adults who proselytize are often kind, gentle, upright, admirable, and personally attractive, winning converts by making friends. The only "victimization" is in the falsehood in what they teach. we really should get rid of any insistence that religion is always "crammed down throats." I suspect that more often than not, it's spread much more gently. Insidious tactics rarely, if ever, include violence.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#767 Apr 26, 2013
In Islam the penalty for apostasy is death.
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>I suspect it depends on which families rather than which religions. I think that all religions probably have the same basic assortment of parenting styles, some loving and gentle, some harsh and punitive, most falling somewhere in between. All I'm saying is that religion is not alway force-fed, but I have no idea how often it is or is not. We should all be careful to avoid certainty in the face of uncertain data.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#768 Apr 26, 2013
If a religion has any sort of hell or severe penalty for not complying doctrine this certainly would be forcing it upon them at a young age.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>But I do consider it to be force-fed, if the victim is an innocent child-- the child certainly hasn't the mental tools to fight that.

Nor is the child given a choice-- typically they are dragged against their will to the local institutionalized brainwashing engine-- church.

I'd call that forced, myself. No matter how much velvet you put over the iron fist-- it's still an iron fist underneath.

A gold-plated cage is still a cage.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#769 Apr 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
If a religion has any sort of hell or severe penalty for not complying doctrine this certainly would be forcing it upon them at a young age.
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Even if it lacks that-- does the child get a choice to join?

If not, then it's forced.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#770 Apr 26, 2013
Try to have a 7 year old they do not want to attend church anymore and see what happens :))
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Even if it lacks that-- does the child get a choice to join?

If not, then it's forced.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#771 Apr 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Try to have a 7 year old they do not want to attend church anymore and see what happens :))
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There you go, then-- to me? That is pretty much 100% proof that there are no gods at all, and that it is even against our basic instincts to believe in gods...

:)

But it's still forced. As a child, you could get me to go to a museum any time-- even if I was sick, I'd drag myself on bleeding stumps.

I loved learning. I even thought school was okay most of the time.

But I hated church at that age.

That's forced.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#772 Apr 26, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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okay K... Are you that miserable that you have to insult people?
That wasn't insulting, that which you have the utmost respect for, is that she is atheist, correct?

Well you should know that an atheist has no belief system, an atheist is simply someone who is un-indoctrinated. That includes every human ever born, until they are indoctrinated. Even a non-believer does not need a dogma, a creed, or any type of a system to be or to become an non-believer.

The word atheist means not theist.So there is nothing in being atheist to have respect for.

Do you respect newborn babies because they have not yet bound themselves to an Islamic god-myth(which is b-t-w the same god as you've got)? Is your respect based on who someone is not?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#773 Apr 26, 2013
I often gave my parents fits about going to church!

I couldn't stand it! Lol!
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>There you go, then-- to me? That is pretty much 100% proof that there are no gods at all, and that it is even against our basic instincts to believe in gods...

:)

But it's still forced. As a child, you could get me to go to a museum any time-- even if I was sick, I'd drag myself on bleeding stumps.

I loved learning. I even thought school was okay most of the time.

But I hated church at that age.

That's forced.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#774 Apr 26, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
Thanks, I couldn't resist. I had to read it all, for me some of it was a replay, but I'm happy that his life has turned out so well.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#775 Apr 26, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>That wasn't insulting, that which you have the utmost respect for, is that she is atheist, correct?
Well you should know that an atheist has no belief system, an atheist is simply someone who is un-indoctrinated. That includes every human ever born, until they are indoctrinated. Even a non-believer does not need a dogma, a creed, or any type of a system to be or to become an non-believer.
The word atheist means not theist.So there is nothing in being atheist to have respect for.
Do you respect newborn babies because they have not yet bound themselves to an Islamic god-myth(which is b-t-w the same god as you've got)? Is your respect based on who someone is not?
Not at all, I 'had' respect for this poster because in the past, I liked the way she presented such things...Scientifically. If she had wanted to make her point, or talk to me nicely, I would have listened, but as it stands now I have no time for this poster at the present...

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