Atheism Rising

There are 765 comments on the Houston Press story from Dec 5, 2012, titled Atheism Rising. In it, Houston Press reports that:

It's a warm fall morning near the Texas State Capitol's south steps, and there's a fight brewing.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Houston Press.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#257 Mar 20, 2013
Not in my house wrote:
<quoted text>
You simply deny them the right to except GOD?
Of course we deny them the right to accept the gods.

That is why we never allow, any of the public school children to spend week nights, weekends or summer vacations with their parents. Who knows those parents just might indoctrinate the child with any kind of god, if they aren't controlled continually.

I have personally seen children who believed that they absolutely must pray five times a day facing Mecca or be doomed for not doing it. Can you believe that? You won't believe this one either. I have met parents who say they would do anything their god required of them, and their god has said that he would make them eat their children. Do you want your children in a class where other children are taught that they might be eaten on a gods orders? What if your children are threatened by that god who makes parents eat their children? Are you going to be OK with that?

Thank your lucky stars that the atheist are willing to protect your children, from all the god merchants.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#258 Mar 20, 2013
Nonatheis wrote:
Atheism is silly and bites.
Atheism is the abscence of theism. Atheism isn't an "ism", it is the lack of an ism.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#259 Mar 20, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>A beautiful thing indeed.
Tonight in a small Texas town, along side a major highway which re-invents itself to thread through the county seat as two lanes, lies a Baptist church which in bygone days had grown to cover four square blocks of downtown real estate.
I drove through that bit of nostalgia, at about 8:15 p.m., and that beacon to the downtrodden and the lost was lit up like a Christmas tree, with the marquee blazing out the words "Where will you be, when Jesus returns?", and out in the parking sat lot four vehicles, only four. In a town with no taxi's nor bus service, there were only four cars!
On a Sunday morning you can sometimes see as many as ten vehicles, except for that one Sunday of the year, when the roads are blocked solid on both sides for a mile.
Such is the real Christainity, LOL!
They are forlornly singing the final hymns on a sinking ship.

Kinda pitiful.

But also?

Hopeful for the future generations.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#260 Mar 20, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Magic!

It's magic, I tells ya!

Just like the first time-- Jewsus being'a borned to a virginal vessile...

... magic!

:LMAO:

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#261 Mar 20, 2013
Lmfao!

You know there will be believes who will quote this as proof of god. Pathetic.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Magic!

It's magic, I tells ya!

Just like the first time-- Jewsus being'a borned to a virginal vessile...

... magic!

:LMAO:

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#262 Mar 20, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Lmfao!
You know there will be believes who will quote this as proof of god. Pathetic.
<quoted text>
Hey, I see Cthulhu in there too.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#263 Mar 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
They are forlornly singing the final hymns on a sinking ship.
Kinda pitiful.
But also?
Hopeful for the future generations.
I 'll bet that this Easter we will see an even smaller number of cars there, than ever before.

I just got in the mail today, one of my regular subscription magazines, based on the rural way of life, and found to my surprise that about a dozen freethought quotes had been interspersed with a much smaller than usual sampling of the mostly theistic ones and the routine few notable quotes of politics too. When freethought quotes outnumbers the religion and politic ones, either the world is really changing or a new employee has joined the magazine staff and is making his mark.

Either way it is a welcome change, and I will be posting a note to the editor.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#264 Mar 20, 2013
Cthulhu would whip Jesus no doubt.
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, I see Cthulhu in there too.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#265 Mar 20, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>I 'll bet that this Easter we will see an even smaller number of cars there, than ever before.
I just got in the mail today, one of my regular subscription magazines, based on the rural way of life, and found to my surprise that about a dozen freethought quotes had been interspersed with a much smaller than usual sampling of the mostly theistic ones and the routine few notable quotes of politics too. When freethought quotes outnumbers the religion and politic ones, either the world is really changing or a new employee has joined the magazine staff and is making his mark.
Either way it is a welcome change, and I will be posting a note to the editor.
Another welcome change.

I also blame the dissemblance of freethought to the internets in combination with personal communication engines (cells, cheap computers, etc).

Where in the past, a single person who didn't conform to religious' overbearing ways, often felt alone?

These days, it's not hard for said individual to find like-minded (more or less) social acquaintances and friends even, via this new interchange of ideas.

That gives them a stronger voice than otherwise.

Fortunately, religion is always one or five steps behind the technology curve, both with awareness and with action.

The internets genie and texting is out of the box-- would be quite difficult to put back, now. Look at Egypt's bloodless coup of a year or three ago-- the youngersters did an end-run around those entrenched in what they thought were secure positions of power.

How wrong they were-- those fell, and the younger generation won that round-- and maybe won their country back.

This genie of interpersonal communication irrespective of location of the individual? Is an amazing world-changing thing.

Akin to movable type, making cheap, disposable printing possible (daily newspapers, the "internets" of it's day).

What the future holds is unknown- but it's liable to be ... interesting.

And the established religions? Will either bend with the new climate, or die.

If they bend? They will change to embrace the new ideas.

I predict that same-sex marriages in churches will become so commonplace, that the only thing of note about it, will be the usual things found at any weddings.....

.... >>where<< did she get that dress? And who picked the colors of the bride's men? Don't they know that sequins are a summer item? And look at that: the groom and groom have matching cummerbunds. Isn't that lovely? And don't they know that codpieces are so yesterday? And who picked those corsages for the bride and bride? They so don't compliment each other's-- the colors clash...

:D

Oh, the minutia of the banal, when there is nothing remarkable to see on a more fundamental level: just two people who believe they love each other, trying to make a life-commitment of things.

I can't hardly wait...
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#266 Mar 20, 2013
Mel Gibson would enjoy enacting that.
Givemeliberty wrote:
Cthulhu would whip Jesus no doubt.
<quoted text>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#267 Mar 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Mel Gibson would enjoy enacting that.
<quoted text>
Oh, no doubt: anything that makes him into a victim...

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#268 Mar 20, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>From the current CIA Factbook:

"Religions:

"Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order. Christian 33.39%(of which Roman
Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01%(2010 est.)"

So the CIA actually says the estimate is from 2010, but they don't say how the it was made. Looking at the entries for individual countries, it appears that the CIA relies on local extra-agency sources for the proportions in each country and compiles the worldwide statistics from there. Some of those statistics show the hallmarks of estimates that are not based on actual studies. I get suspicious when the proportions are too neat like the 80%/19%/1% ratio seen for Afghanistan or the 50%/25%/24%/1% for Zimbabwe. The estimates for China are incredibly farfetched--Daoist (Taoist), Buddhist, Christian 3%-4%, Muslim 1%-2% note: officially atheist (2002 est.)--and account for only 4%-6% of the population. The ones for India are from a 2001 census and don't account for atheists at all, perhaps because theism is not necessarily a part of one of the major religions.

Given all of that, the estimate in the CIA Factbook seems to be less than precise.
Here are real numbers from the top sources. No more squirming please.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...

A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.

Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.

Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.

According to a 2012 report by thePew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...

According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."

Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population

While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...

Main category: Religious demographics
Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:

The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%

persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,

In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:

In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! Atheism is in decline.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#269 Mar 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!

Wiki is your ... ahem... "source"?

LOL!

Did you personally edit that bit, to match your bigoted opinion? Or did one of your other True Believers™ edit it for you?

LMAO!
Bobby I thought you had a bit more grey matter then you're show as of late.

Wikipedia does not do its own surveys they quote others. You didn't know this?

Duh!!!!! Please try and come up with something for your cause.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#270 Mar 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, religious people don't care about the future of the planet or the human species. We know this already.
What? Really?

This is your come back because atheist numbers are falling?

LMFAO
A true nut job!

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#271 Mar 20, 2013
Not in my house wrote:
<quoted text>You simply deny them the right to except GOD?
LOL

On both the name and you solution.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#272 Mar 20, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
What? Really?
This is your come back because atheist numbers are falling?
LMFAO
A true nut job!
Considering all you are using this for is the bandwagon fallacy, it's moot. You are lying for your religion, nothing more, using fear to try to convert people, to get people to stop thinking about things you have to try to scare them.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#273 Mar 20, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Bobby I thought you had a bit more grey matter then you're show as of late.
Wikipedia does not do its own surveys they quote others. You didn't know this?
Duh!!!!! Please try and come up with something for your cause.
I saw your hash-job of cut-n-paste.

Sorry, that doesn't cut it-- you lie by omission.

As is your usual habit, when you aren't lying outright.

This is a fact: you lie pretty much with each word you type...

... it's what you do.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#274 Mar 20, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are real numbers from the top sources. No more squirming please.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...
A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica...
A word about sources: there are original sources and secondary sources--and tertiary sources and so on. I prefer original sources. When perusing Wikipedia (one of my favorite sites, by the way), I usually finish up by following the links in the reference section.

The questions you should be asking yourself when you are evaluating information from Wikipedia, Britannica, the CIA Factbook, or adherents.com , are: where did the data come from?; what is its original source?; How as the data collected and analyzed?; and how old is it?. Very often, that data traces back to the Pew Forum, ARIS, Gallup, or a government statistical agency. Only by going to those original sources can you look at the all-important metadata so that you can evaluate its accuracy.

The CIA Factbook is a good case in point. The don't collect or analyze data on religious demographics. Rather, they rely on the best local data that they can find. The quality of that data varies widely from one country to the next. Some of the data is recent and fairly precise, but much is sloppy and/or old. This is especially true of the less developed Asian and African nations as well as a substantial number of Islamic nations. These nations account for more than half of the Earth's population, so the CIA data is insufficient for evaluating trends or even estimating the current worldwide demography.

Even Gallup, Pew, and ARIS have to rely on old and imprecise data in countries where collecting the data themselves is not possible for political or logistical reasons. As a result, the largest scale at which accurate estimates and trends can be evaluated is nationally, and that only for nations that facilitate or at least allow competent demographic collection, analysis, and publication.

When you look at the data at that level of detail, you will have to agree that, while the trends for some nations seem clear, worldwide religious demographic trends are unclear.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#276 Mar 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Considering all you are using this for is the bandwagon fallacy, it's moot. You are lying for your religion, nothing more, using fear to try to convert people, to get people to stop thinking about things you have to try to scare them.
Yes-- his lies appear to be growing quite desperate, of late.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#277 Mar 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Considering all you are using this for is the bandwagon fallacy, it's moot. You are lying for your religion, nothing more, using fear to try to convert people, to get people to stop thinking about things you have to try to scare them.
Foolish one. Please don't convert!
I'll give you three reasons why you can't convert.

1) too few of atheist already
2) plenty of theist already we don't need ya

3) Satan already owns your soul.

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