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Atheism Rising

There are 765 comments on the Houston Press story from Dec 5, 2012, titled Atheism Rising. In it, Houston Press reports that:

It's a warm fall morning near the Texas State Capitol's south steps, and there's a fight brewing.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Houston Press.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#214 Mar 13, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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" follows these studies, though, I have to say that the 2012 figures are probably not from a poll that was conducted in 2012"
The United States "Central Intelligent Agency" (CIA) claims they took the survey in 2012. I'll take their word for it over your doubts.
Sorry you have all these issues with all the well established agency that took these surveys
The CIA
Encyclopedia Britannia
PEW
And more.
From the current CIA Factbook:

"Religions:

"Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order. Christian 33.39%(of which Roman
Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01%(2010 est.)"

So the CIA actually says the estimate is from 2010, but they don't say how the it was made. Looking at the entries for individual countries, it appears that the CIA relies on local extra-agency sources for the proportions in each country and compiles the worldwide statistics from there. Some of those statistics show the hallmarks of estimates that are not based on actual studies. I get suspicious when the proportions are too neat like the 80%/19%/1% ratio seen for Afghanistan or the 50%/25%/24%/1% for Zimbabwe. The estimates for China are incredibly farfetched--Daoist (Taoist), Buddhist, Christian 3%-4%, Muslim 1%-2% note: officially atheist (2002 est.)--and account for only 4%-6% of the population. The ones for India are from a 2001 census and don't account for atheists at all, perhaps because theism is not necessarily a part of one of the major religions.

Given all of that, the estimate in the CIA Factbook seems to be less than precise.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#215 Mar 14, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
Given all of that, the estimate in the CIA Factbook seems to be less than precise.
Understated with your usual flair.

:)
Lincoln

United States

#216 Mar 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Langy is seldom worth the seconds it takes to peruse his blathering, I agree.
Don't be modest regarding your own blathering idiocy.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#217 Mar 17, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>In order to compare results of surveys, you have to look at the metadata, i.e., how the subjects were selected, what questions were asked, and how the results are analyzed. The above results are from a wide variety of polls and tend to represent a small but stable worldwide atheist population--since the results are from different polls, the variation wouldn't be enough to determine a trend even if the metadata were known.

As one who follows these studies, though, I have to say that the 2012 figures are probably not from a poll that was conducted in 2012, only one that was published then. The last surveys by Pew and ARIS were conducted in 2005-2007, and when the references are traced, they almost invariably come from one of those sources. I don't know of any comprehensive study that post-dates those. I would expect that studies conducted in 2012 will see their first publication sometime this year, and I will be surprised if they don't show modest growth, but there's no way of knowing until new results are available.

Studies of smaller populations show a modest decline of religion, notably in Ireland (IN-Gallup).

In the US, the data is more dynamic with ARIS showing a decline in the religious population from 89.5% in 1990 to 79.9% in 2008 and an increase of "nones" from 8.2% to 15.0% over the same period. It should be noted that only 7% of those "nones" are what ARIS calls atheists,(certain that there is no God), and 35% agnostics compared to 2% and 10% in the general population, modest compared to some PEW studies, but differences in the phrasing of the polls' questions could have accounted for that.

Atheism in the rise, stable or declining: inconclusive.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...

"While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining. This may be because birth rates in religious societies are much higher"

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#218 Mar 18, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
"While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining. This may be because birth rates in religious societies are much higher"
LOL!

Wiki is your ... ahem... "source"?

LOL!

Did you personally edit that bit, to match your bigoted opinion? Or did one of your other True Believers™ edit it for you?

LMAO!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#219 Mar 18, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
"While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining. This may be because birth rates in religious societies are much higher"
Yes, religious people don't care about the future of the planet or the human species. We know this already.

“the end-times is now”

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#220 Mar 18, 2013
"religious people don't care about the future of the planet"

and kittenkoder wants to pick a fight about it

“the end-times is now”

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#221 Mar 18, 2013
so KK ... what should happen to all those "religious" people

“the end-times is now”

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#222 Mar 18, 2013
What About the Atheists?

When Christopher Hitchens observes that,“Religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children,” he is both right and wrong.

Hitchens is right because humankind is sinful and selfish. Indeed, I believe it was G.K. Chesterton who said that the one Christian doctrine that was demonstrably provable, even to casual observers, was the sinfulness and depravity of man. Thus, human expressions of the religious impulse will inevitably produce some religious practices and beliefs that would fit Hitchens’ rather grim description.

Human history is replete with such flawed expressions of religious faith.

However, this would be true of all secular philosophies and ideologies as well. Three of the most heinous and barbaric ideologies, which produced the greatest cruelties and violations of humanity in the 20th century, were fascism, Nazism and communism — all secular.

Hitchens is wrong in that he condemns all religious expression to the category of such violent and negative expressions. Many of the noblest expressions of humanity throughout the centuries have been performed in the name of religion.

One thinks of William Wilberforce and his long campaign to end the slave trade in the British Empire. Both the British and American abolitionist movements were founded, nurtured, financed and led to victory against the horrific evil of slavery by people who were most often inspired and motivated by deep religious conviction.

The great social reform movements of the last half of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century (child labor reform, etc.) were often led by people of deep religious faith, Protestant and Catholic.

And of course, in the lifetime of many of us who were born in the last half of the 20th century, the most successful and greatest reform movement was the civil rights revolution, led by a Baptist minister, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who often said that the movement and the faith that inspired it could not be separated.
As many will remember, the civil rights revolution was supported by and led to victory in large part because of the leadership of clergy, black and white.

Lastly, one is led to ask Mr. Hitchens some questions. Where are the great atheist-sponsored charitable and reform movements? Where are the atheist children homes and orphanages? Where are the atheist leaders who are taking vows of poverty and giving themselves in sacrificial service to others?

As Arthur C. Brooks, professor at Syracuse University, points out in his recent book, Who Really Cares?(2006): Religious people are far more generous with their own time and money than secularists. Brooks concludes,“Religious folks are by far the most charitable people in America today.”

..... Dr Richard Land = http://richardlandlive.com/archive/

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#223 Mar 18, 2013
Yes you often find him adding and removing words to his spam in an effort to make it fit better.

Wanna chuckle about it over a stack I foreclosed church deeds?
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!

Wiki is your ... ahem... "source"?

LOL!

Did you personally edit that bit, to match your bigoted opinion? Or did one of your other True Believers™ edit it for you?

LMAO!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#225 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
so KK ... what should happen to all those "religious" people
You need help for your delusions, just calling your delusion a "god" doesn't justify it anymore than any other delusion.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#226 Mar 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes you often find him adding and removing words to his spam in an effort to make it fit better.
Wanna chuckle about it over a stack I foreclosed church deeds?
<quoted text>
LOL!

Yes-- churches are dying in a big way here in Tulsa too.

Each day, I drive past abandoned church property. And even more, I see church property in serious need of major repair--but the congregation is clearly too poor to afford such, as they cling to a dying church.

Religion is on the wane; knowledge is on the rise-- the internet is to blame, I think.

The internet has allowed the real lies of True Believers™ to be exposed for all to see, and has allowed people with questions to find the answers they ask.

Real answers, not the "goddidit" lie so frequently told for so long.

It's a beautiful thing.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#227 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
What About the Atheists?
When Christopher Hitchens observes that,“Religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children,” he is both right and wrong.
No--- he's just right.

Your sick little hate-cult feeds into peoples' HATE.

It has always done this-- without a crusade of HATE, your sad little cult could not survive from one generation to the next.

In the past? Your cult taught HATE of the black man.

These days? Your cult teaches HATE of the gays, of the immigrants, of your muslim brothers-in-hate.

Hate is what all religion thrives on; hate is the motivation that keeps it going--in spite of crumbling buildings from insufficient funds.

But you can BET that the pastor is driving a brand-new car... and judging from his overstuffed waistline, never misses a meal.
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#228 Mar 18, 2013
As many UK churches are old stone buildings, they make beautiful pubs when their congregations die of old age.

Here's a converted church hall I used to frequent when I lived in Banbury (of Banbury Cross fame)

http://www.churchhousebanbury.co.uk/
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
Yes-- churches are dying in a big way here in Tulsa too.
Each day, I drive past abandoned church property. And even more, I see church property in serious need of major repair--but the congregation is clearly too poor to afford such, as they cling to a dying church.
Religion is on the wane; knowledge is on the rise-- the internet is to blame, I think.
The internet has allowed the real lies of True Believers™ to be exposed for all to see, and has allowed people with questions to find the answers they ask.
Real answers, not the "goddidit" lie so frequently told for so long.
It's a beautiful thing.

“Ha! Ha! Ha! No, No, No!”

Since: Mar 13

Not in MY House! Not Today!

#229 Mar 18, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
"Atheists aren't the problem here ... For one thing, we'd never force impressionable minors to recite a daily mantra that there is no God, because we're not the ones imposing our views onto other people's children. It's not the atheists impeding medical research, either. Neither are we the ones who are against free or affordable health care, nor are we the ones trying to minimize or criminalize women's health care." ... "I've been to the European continent, and I've been to the Australian continent and I can tell you from experience that overseas, the academics don't remember the Alamo. They don't talk about NASA. They're laughing at our lamentable politics." ~ Aron Ra
You simply deny them the right to except GOD?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#230 Mar 18, 2013
They know their days are numbered man. That's the only reason they go after us so much. Of we really weren't causing them to bleed membership numbers they wouldn't bother wasting one second on us let alone write books, create websites, DVDs and recruit believers to go after us. The debate only helps us because we point out they have no proof not a shred a evidence.

And they know it.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!

Yes-- churches are dying in a big way here in Tulsa too.

Each day, I drive past abandoned church property. And even more, I see church property in serious need of major repair--but the congregation is clearly too poor to afford such, as they cling to a dying church.

Religion is on the wane; knowledge is on the rise-- the internet is to blame, I think.

The internet has allowed the real lies of True Believers™ to be exposed for all to see, and has allowed people with questions to find the answers they ask.

Real answers, not the "goddidit" lie so frequently told for so long.

It's a beautiful thing.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#231 Mar 18, 2013
The word is accept not except.

And you wonder why you are losing the debate so badly?

Nobody wants to stop you from believing in your silly delusion. Just don't try to force your religion, god or his so called rules upon others.
Not in my house wrote:
<quoted text>You simply deny them the right to except GOD?
Nonatheis

Dallas, TX

#233 Mar 18, 2013
Atheism is silly and bites.
Lincoln

United States

#234 Mar 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
Yes-- churches are dying in a big way here in Tulsa too.
Each day, I drive past abandoned church property. And even more, I see church property in serious need of major repair--but the congregation is clearly too poor to afford such, as they cling to a dying church.
Religion is on the wane; knowledge is on the rise-- the internet is to blame, I think.
The internet has allowed the real lies of True Believers™ to be exposed for all to see, and has allowed people with questions to find the answers they ask.
Real answers, not the "goddidit" lie so frequently told for so long.
It's a beautiful thing.
Funny you say the same thing each day as if it was original.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#235 Mar 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
As many UK churches are old stone buildings, they make beautiful pubs when their congregations die of old age.
Here's a converted church hall I used to frequent when I lived in Banbury (of Banbury Cross fame)
http://www.churchhousebanbury.co.uk/
<quoted text>
I always wanted to live in a converted church myself.

I would find it quite amusing. And I'd love the open space that used to be the "sanctuary". It would make an excellent place to fly radio-control helicopters & airplanes.

I'd strip out all the nasty carpet, too-- a nice, hard floor for running radio control vehicles. With maybe some ramps going up to the platform, with a nice jump somewhere?

The kitchen in these is typically top-notch too: you know how those True Believers™ love to gorge on too much food.

:D

I'd have my pick of bedrooms-- any of the classrooms ought to work for that, quite well.

Yep-- converting a church to non-religious use is a very good idea.

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