The End of Religion? HuffPo Writer Claims Atheism Will Triumph by 2038

Jun 7, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: NewsBusters.org

In the war between religion and atheism, one atheist is already predicting victory.

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Well, there isn't really a war, it's more like the religious people screaming and yelling out of fear, and thus deconverting their own children. Us atheists just have to keep giving the kids factual information.
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"their average per capita GDP’s are 3 times higher than the world’s average, he infers that richer countries are more secular than their poorer counterparts."
IF that is Mr Barber's assessment I think he would be mistaken. I think we are simply watching the retreat of superstition in the face of education, scientific discoveries and communication.

Religion is the last major bastion of superstition and far from being a "a nightmare waiting to happen", the demise of religion is simply a natural stage of human evolution and development.

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What difference does it make? As much as I would love everyone on earth to accept Christ and find the joy that they can so easily have, I will not cry myself to sleep over grown adults who choose not to believe in God. Those who have ears to ear will hear. All Christians can do for those whose hearts are closed, is love them, not judge them and pray. God Bless.:)

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Deirdre222 wrote:
What difference does it make? As much as I would love everyone on earth to accept Christ and find the joy that they can so easily have, I will not cry myself to sleep over grown adults who choose not to believe in God. Those who have ears to ear will hear. All Christians can do for those whose hearts are closed, is love them, not judge them and pray. God Bless.:)
It is almost never a choice with an atheist.

Atheism is the default state, after all faith is stripped away and exposed for the lie it is.

Since your god is not real-- and provably not real?

And there are no alternatives that there is proof of?

All that is left, is atheism.

So it's not a choice-- unless you "choose" to lie to yourself (as you do, every day).

Deep down?

You know faith is just a convenient lie you tell yourself, to soothe your ego's demand to be Magically Significant to the Universe.

Hearts have nothing to do with this--

-- it's whether you are willing to lie (faith) or not.

Atheists are not willing to lie.

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What difference does it make? As much as I would love everyone on earth to accept Christ and find the joy that they can so easily have, I will not cry myself to sleep over grown adults who choose not to believe in God. Those who have ears to ear will hear. All Christians can do for those whose hearts are closed, is love them, not judge them and pray. God Bless.:)
Seriously, if you believe the god, then you obey the god, right?

Good, you do obey, that is rare among Christains, most of them only pay lip service to the god.
You of course have stoned to death sass mouth children and you have stoned your neighbors who would dare wear mixed fibers?
So few Christains understand, it is what he ordered, it is what he expects, from every Christain.

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Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously, if you believe the god, then you obey the god, right?
Good, you do obey, that is rare among Christains, most of them only pay lip service to the god.
You of course have stoned to death sass mouth children and you have stoned your neighbors who would dare wear mixed fibers?
So few Christains understand, it is what he ordered, it is what he expects, from every Christain.
Believe it or not, I have not stoned anyone to death. Obeying God does not mean murdering anyone, it means the polar opposite. Although in the OT Jews were ordered to separate themselves from the Gentiles, that no longer is the case. Jesus Christ nailed that separation to the cross when He died, and now there is no longer Jew nor Greek, male nor female in Christ Jesus.

He does not expect any christian to murder, he expects them to love them as themselves.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It is almost never a choice with an atheist.
Atheism is the default state, after all faith is stripped away and exposed for the lie it is.
Since your god is not real-- and provably not real?
And there are no alternatives that there is proof of?
All that is left, is atheism.
So it's not a choice-- unless you "choose" to lie to yourself (as you do, every day).
Deep down?
You know faith is just a convenient lie you tell yourself, to soothe your ego's demand to be Magically Significant to the Universe.
Hearts have nothing to do with this--
-- it's whether you are willing to lie (faith) or not.
Atheists are not willing to lie.
Firstly, you cannot PROVE to me God does not exist.

However, all that aside, I will tell you this, Jesus is not religion, it is reality, He is truth. It is not an easy truth to accept for anyone, unlike what atheists say. Jesus is no crutch for the weak-minded. It is not an easy walk in this life. But it's worth it.

Christians are actually the ones not willing to lie.

Maybe you're the one choosing to lie to yourself? Just a thought.

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Believe it or not, I have not stoned anyone to death. Obeying God does not mean murdering anyone, it means the polar opposite. Although in the OT Jews were ordered to separate themselves from the Gentiles, that no longer is the case. Jesus Christ nailed that separation to the cross when He died, and now there is no longer Jew nor Greek, male nor female in Christ Jesus.
He does not expect any christian to murder, he expects them to love them as themselves.
You don't believe the bible, now do you? Jesus came to enforce, not to do away with, even one of the laws, rules or more than 600 commandments.

You are ordered to stone to death anyone wearing mixed fibers, any sass mouth children, any one working on the Sabbath, and your god sees that as his will, not murder.

You are a cafeteria Christain, you pick and choose what you will and won't follow, from the bible. And in doing so, you mock your god, better than I ever could. When you don't obey, what you try to get others to obey, you are mocking your own holy book. LOL!

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It is indeed sad that we can't increase your IQ to stop believing in your imaginary friend. Tell me why is believing in something without evidence a good thing?
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Firstly, you cannot PROVE to me God does not exist.
However, all that aside, I will tell you this, Jesus is not religion, it is reality, He is truth. It is not an easy truth to accept for anyone, unlike what atheists say. Jesus is no crutch for the weak-minded. It is not an easy walk in this life. But it's worth it.
Christians are actually the ones not willing to lie.
Maybe you're the one choosing to lie to yourself? Just a thought.

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Deirdre222 wrote:
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Firstly, you cannot PROVE to me God does not exist.
However, all that aside, I will tell you this, Jesus is not religion, it is reality, He is truth. It is not an easy truth to accept for anyone, unlike what atheists say. Jesus is no crutch for the weak-minded. It is not an easy walk in this life. But it's worth it.
Christians are actually the ones not willing to lie.
Maybe you're the one choosing to lie to yourself? Just a thought.
That's funny, if someone had asked me for a one line description of what Jesus is, I would have said he is an emotional crutch for the weak-minded.

If Christains aren't liars, then they are are not reading the bible. There is but one scripture which allows the Christain to make the bible out to be true. And that is the scripture that says all men are liars.

And exactly how hard is it, to fall in line with the majority. If you read the bible, you will become an atheist, so I suggest you don't. Close it up, your witchdoctors and spellcasters will tell you everything* that you will need to know.

*Everything that benefits what thier goals are. If you change spellcasters, you may have to change what the good book handlers wants you to know.
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Deirdre222 wrote:
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Firstly, you cannot PROVE to me God does not exist.
However, all that aside, I will tell you this, Jesus is not religion, it is reality, He is truth. It is not an easy truth to accept for anyone, unlike what atheists say. Jesus is no crutch for the weak-minded. It is not an easy walk in this life. But it's worth it.
Christians are actually the ones not willing to lie.
Maybe you're the one choosing to lie to yourself? Just a thought.
That was to Bob of QF - and I agree he cannot prove to you that God does not exist. In the first place, you would refuse to acknowledge such proof it it could b provided. In the second place, I do not think it can be provided.

On the other hand, I do not think that you or anyone can prove that there is a god. All the rest of your post after the first line is bragging and nonsense. That is not to say that all Christians are bad persons. some are nice, and some are not.

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<quoted text>You don't believe the bible, now do you? Jesus came to enforce, not to do away with, even one of the laws, rules or more than 600 commandments.
You are ordered to stone to death anyone wearing mixed fibers, any sass mouth children, any one working on the Sabbath, and your god sees that as his will, not murder.
You are a cafeteria Christain, you pick and choose what you will and won't follow, from the bible. And in doing so, you mock your god, better than I ever could. When you don't obey, what you try to get others to obey, you are mocking your own holy book. LOL!
But perhaps "cafeteria" Christians are the best kind. They reinterpret and adapt the religion to fit their own inherent beliefs rather than molding themselves into the Bible's extremism. They find the idea of harming children to be shocking, so those parts of the Bible have to go. Same with those about mobs stoning people to death at the instigations of religious courts or judges and support for slavery. Likewise ridiculous prohibitions. In all cases, religion gives way to their better natures rather than the other way around. Religion can only make good people do bad things if they let it, and not all of them do.

Good for them.
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But perhaps "cafeteria" Christians are the best kind. They reinterpret and adapt the religion to fit their own inherent beliefs rather than molding themselves into the Bible's extremism. They find the idea of harming children to be shocking, so those parts of the Bible have to go. Same with those about mobs stoning people to death at the instigations of religious courts or judges and support for slavery. Likewise ridiculous prohibitions. In all cases, religion gives way to their better natures rather than the other way around. Religion can only make good people do bad things if they let it, and not all of them do.
Good for them.
good comment. of course the cafeteria christians had better choose the healthy and ethical stuff, not the nasty stuff. some cafeteria Christians seem to select the worst things to emphasize, unfortunately. I think that within the Bible and the Christian religion there are such extremes that can be taken that they should eventually be deeply opposed to each other, if the good ones were not too wimpy.
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But perhaps "cafeteria" Christians are the best kind. They reinterpret and adapt the religion to fit their own inherent beliefs rather than molding themselves into the Bible's extremism. They find the idea of harming children to be shocking, so those parts of the Bible have to go. Same with those about mobs stoning people to death at the instigations of religious courts or judges and support for slavery. Likewise ridiculous prohibitions. In all cases, religion gives way to their better natures rather than the other way around. Religion can only make good people do bad things if they let it, and not all of them do.
Good for them.
I think you need to distinguish the nuances of 'cafeteria' christian. My understanding of its use is a criticism of theists who claim certain parts of the bible are literal and certain ones are not. They don't do this out of a well-reasoned comparison of secular-humanist ethics to what they can find in the bible; they do it in reaction to being challenged about inconsistency and hypocrisy.

I think 'main-stream christian' is a more accurate connotation of the theist who has a warm, fuzzy belief in a god, likes the idea of an afterlife, likes the community aspect of church but quietly ignores most of the biblical laws.

JMHO
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I think you need to distinguish the nuances of 'cafeteria' christian. My understanding of its use is a criticism of theists who claim certain parts of the bible are literal and certain ones are not. They don't do this out of a well-reasoned comparison of secular-humanist ethics to what they can find in the bible; they do it in reaction to being challenged about inconsistency and hypocrisy.
I think 'main-stream christian' is a more accurate connotation of the theist who has a warm, fuzzy belief in a god, likes the idea of an afterlife, likes the community aspect of church but quietly ignores most of the biblical laws.
JMHO
well that is certainly one type of christian. of course what counts is what Biblical ethics one respects and which one things are silly.

maybe we should simply use a term like non-fundie, to indicate the ones we think are less crazy.

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But perhaps "cafeteria" Christians are the best kind. They reinterpret and adapt the religion to fit their own inherent beliefs rather than molding themselves into the Bible's extremism. They find the idea of harming children to be shocking, so those parts of the Bible have to go. Same with those about mobs stoning people to death at the instigations of religious courts or judges and support for slavery. Likewise ridiculous prohibitions. In all cases, religion gives way to their better natures rather than the other way around. Religion can only make good people do bad things if they let it, and not all of them do.
Good for them.
I consider them the worst kind. By not facing the horror that is their god, they can happily continue to pass it on to others. They can demand that we be held to their commandments and their god given laws. Should they have to know the bible god in it's entirety, the chances of them trying to spread it even farther, would quickly diminish..

The totally out there loons, who would stone their neighbors, by their very existence, cause even the good Christains to cringe. They are so few as to be insignificant, but the one's whose children will be taught( that all* enemies are to be obliterated), by the Good News Club, they are the ones who scare me.
Everything connected to the enemy that will be designated by the church, the religion, or the spellcaster, everything, they will teach their children to decimate.

Now should they get the scripture that promises that ticking the god off, will make him mad and he will force them to eat their children, actually read and understood, what do you think the chances are that they will continue to spread the "good news"?

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Firstly, you cannot PROVE to me God does not exist.
However, all that aside, I will tell you this, Jesus is not religion, it is reality, He is truth. It is not an easy truth to accept for anyone, unlike what atheists say. Jesus is no crutch for the weak-minded. It is not an easy walk in this life. But it's worth it.
Christians are actually the ones not willing to lie.
Maybe you're the one choosing to lie to yourself? Just a thought.
Since you invented god, it's your job to prove him to us. Until you've done that, god will remain part of your imagination.

This is a hard concept for theists to understand, so think about it a bit more.

Atheists imagination is NOT = Theists imagination

Atheists are only capable of feeling threatened by own imaginations, not he the imaginations of theists.

It's a lot of hard work if you consider that there are so many religions and gods in the world that theists think are real.

At the end of the day, it's impossible for out imaginations to fear something which you theists haven't even decided amongst yourselves to consistently fear.

I suggest you get together with all the other god botherers and set your story straight. Lies are much more believable when they are consistent.

Good day.

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Oh, it’s Deidre222… I don’t want to be judgmental because when I was saved unto Christ at the Fellowship of the Alcoholics Anonymous, they told us not to judge any Methodist who goes back to drinking bein’ as Methodists are Baptists who went back to drinkin’ and don’t want to be judged none. However, Deidre222 is leading all y’all atheists down the very path to Hell because she’s two sandwiches short of a picnic and as confused as a cow on Astroturf.

Sometimes the Devil is bored to high heaven so he binds and gags Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit and then possesses a FAKE Christian like Deidre222 who ignores the words of Our Lord in Matthew 5:18,“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” The Old Testament laws still stand; they are clearly NOT “metaphors” as God states that He does not speak in riddles, but plainly, to Moses who wrote the Torah,“With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even clearly, and not in dark sayings; and the form of the LORD shall he behold: why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?”(Numbers 12:8).

Lordy, sometimes it’s hard to do rascal Yahweh’s biddin’ like the time when my late husband Earl had his testicles crushed and then was disallowed from entering the Freewill Evangelical Full Gospel Church. You see, Earl provided hours of entertainment for the children on patriotic holidays by firing multicolored shells from his mortar or bazooka. One day, he ended up with buckshot in the gums while cleaning his shotgun and the bazooka between his legs fired the wrong way, crushing his testicles. The Lord says in Deuteronomy 23:1,“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.” Earl could never go inside a church due to crushed testicles and it was a righteous sacrifice. Deidre222 would probably ignore the injunction because she cherry picks her Bible and is not a TRUE Crushed Testicle Christian. GLORY!

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Oh, it’s Deidre222… I don’t want to be judgmental because when I was saved unto Christ at the Fellowship of the Alcoholics Anonymous, they told us not to judge any Methodist who goes back to drinking bein’ as Methodists are Baptists who went back to drinkin’ and don’t want to be judged none. However, Deidre222 is leading all y’all atheists down the very path to Hell because she’s two sandwiches short of a picnic and as confused as a cow on Astroturf.
Sometimes the Devil is bored to high heaven so he binds and gags Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit and then possesses a FAKE Christian like Deidre222 who ignores the words of Our Lord in Matthew 5:18,“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” The Old Testament laws still stand; they are clearly NOT “metaphors” as God states that He does not speak in riddles, but plainly, to Moses who wrote the Torah,“With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even clearly, and not in dark sayings; and the form of the LORD shall he behold: why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?”(Numbers 12:8).
Lordy, sometimes it’s hard to do rascal Yahweh’s biddin’ like the time when my late husband Earl had his testicles crushed and then was disallowed from entering the Freewill Evangelical Full Gospel Church. You see, Earl provided hours of entertainment for the children on patriotic holidays by firing multicolored shells from his mortar or bazooka. One day, he ended up with buckshot in the gums while cleaning his shotgun and the bazooka between his legs fired the wrong way, crushing his testicles. The Lord says in Deuteronomy 23:1,“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.” Earl could never go inside a church due to crushed testicles and it was a righteous sacrifice. Deidre222 would probably ignore the injunction because she cherry picks her Bible and is not a TRUE Crushed Testicle Christian. GLORY!
LOL! Love it, thanks for the laugh.
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This was to nightserf. You and I - and nightserf too I think - distinguish between believers, and concentrate on criticizing those who are of "the worst kind." I think we generally define them quite clearly. I call them the Armageddon Welcoming and Facilitating Committee - and claim they are traitors who want the earth destroyed, so they can be raptured up and sit with God and Jesus and watch every other living being on earth be tortured by horrors. I think these folks are evil - and dangerous. I think they support politicians who would try deliberately to cause a terrible World War II that would seem to them to be carrying out God's Plan and helping Him along because He was going too slowly toward the end times. I also despise the believers who think people will go to hell for not agreeing with them, and are pleased about that (I feel sorry for believers who think people will go to hell for not agreeing with them, and are distressed about that, and feel a burden to convert us so we won't suffer - poor things, I have a friend like that - I told her I would go to wherever the nice cats and dogs go - that sort of stops her in her tracks, I think she is unorthodox enough to believe in kitty-cat heaven as these seemingly well-meaning types of superstitious person often do!)
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>I consider them the worst kind. By not facing the horror that is their god, they can happily continue to pass it on to others. They can demand that we be held to their commandments and their god given laws. Should they have to know the bible god in it's entirety, the chances of them trying to spread it even farther, would quickly diminish..
The totally out there loons, who would stone their neighbors, by their very existence, cause even the good Christains to cringe. They are so few as to be insignificant, but the one's whose children will be taught( that all* enemies are to be obliterated), by the Good News Club, they are the ones who scare me.
Everything connected to the enemy that will be designated by the church, the religion, or the spellcaster, everything, they will teach their children to decimate.
Now should they get the scripture that promises that ticking the god off, will make him mad and he will force them to eat their children, actually read and understood, what do you think the chances are that they will continue to spread the "good news"?

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