Atheist Islamophobia... Again

Atheist Islamophobia... Again

There are 3765 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Apr 9, 2013, titled Atheist Islamophobia... Again. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

Sparked by a Richard Dawkins tweet , in which he drew a parallel between Islamists and Nazis, Nathan Lean recently suggested on Salon.com that the most famous representatives of the new atheism "flirt with" Islamophobia [echoing Chris Stedman's prescient warning to fellow atheists on RD this past August]. As the article explains, Dawkins, Hitchens ... (more)

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#1525 May 17, 2013
The Hebrew stint of "40 years in the desert" claimed in the Jewish book of Exodus and the subsequent "40 day and 40 nights" wanderings in the desert of the Jewish Nazarene were stolen from:
"The struggle of Set and Horus in the desert lasted forty days, as commemorated in the forty days of the Egyptian Lent, during which time Set, as the power of drought and sterility, made war on Horus in the water and the buried germinating grain....These forty days have been extended into forty years, and confessedly so by the Jews."13

Jewish Joshua was stolen from the Egyptian Deities Shu and Nun.14

Jewish Deborah was stolen from the Egyptian Goddess Neith 15

Jewish Noah was stolen from Sumerian Ziusudra
The fictitious Jewish God Yaweh in the Noah story replaced the Sumerian God Enlil, aka Beelzebub

Noah's son Jewish Ham was stolen from Belus 16

Jewish Nimrod was stolen from the Egyptian Pharaoh Sesostris17

Jewish Abraham was stolen from King Hariscandra of the Hindu Sankhayana-Sutras

Jewish Isaac was stolen from King Hariscandra's son Rohita
The fictitious Jewish God Yaweh in this story replaced the Hindu God Varuna18
Imhotep

Windermere, FL

#1526 May 17, 2013
swerty wrote:
The Hebrew stint of "40 years in the desert" claimed in the Jewish book of Exodus and the subsequent "40 day and 40 nights" wanderings in the desert of the Jewish Nazarene were stolen from:
"The struggle of Set and Horus in the desert lasted forty days, as commemorated in the forty days of the Egyptian Lent, during which time Set, as the power of drought and sterility, made war on Horus in the water and the buried germinating grain....These forty days have been extended into forty years, and confessedly so by the Jews."13
Jewish Joshua was stolen from the Egyptian Deities Shu and Nun.14
Jewish Deborah was stolen from the Egyptian Goddess Neith 15
Jewish Noah was stolen from Sumerian Ziusudra
The fictitious Jewish God Yaweh in the Noah story replaced the Sumerian God Enlil, aka Beelzebub
Noah's son Jewish Ham was stolen from Belus 16
Jewish Nimrod was stolen from the Egyptian Pharaoh Sesostris17
Jewish Abraham was stolen from King Hariscandra of the Hindu Sankhayana-Sutras
Jewish Isaac was stolen from King Hariscandra's son Rohita
The fictitious Jewish God Yaweh in this story replaced the Hindu God Varuna18
Well done!

Much of Christianity was copy/pasted or stolen from the Egyptian god Horus.

We've been to the valley of kings, toured the tombs of the pharaohs - and Horus is everywhere!
Utterly fascinating. ;)

Mithras and Krishna share a similar mystique as the desert religions.

There is also this...

Like those of the Jewish writer Josephus, the works of the ancient historians Pliny, Suetonius and Tacitus do not provide proof that Jesus Christ ever existed as a "historical" character.

Pliny the Younger, Roman Official and Historian (62-113 CE)
Tacitus, Roman Politician and Historian,(c. 56-120 CE)
Suetonius, Roman Historian (c. 69-c. 122 CE)

When addressing the mythical nature of Jesus Christ, one issue repeatedly raised is the purported "evidence" of his existence to be found in the writings of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from about 37 to 100 CE.

In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews appears the notorious passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavianum" ("TF"):

"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."

The are: No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity."

In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called "Jesus Christ" ever existed.

All of these historians were born well after the alleged events.

'Hearsay' is not 'evidence' for a reason!

Caesar by comparison is easily verified.

Also this...

"Despite the mass of contemporary records that have been unearthed in Egypt, not one historical reference to the presence of the Israelites has yet been found there. Not a single mention of Joseph, the Pharaoh's 'Grand Vizier'. Not a word about Moses, or the spectacular flight from Egypt and the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army."
Magnus Magnusson (The Archaeology of the Bible Lands - BC, p43)

PS: For a good guffaw, bring a Christian along and ask him to ask the tour guide about Moses.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1527 May 17, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see most other religions sponsoring acts of terror.
you don't remember the Bosnian war? sad that so many US citizens are pathetically ill-informed about world events and what they are talking about...

flbadcatowner

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#1528 May 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Two words: Spanish Inquisition.
Okay, that's old news.
What about recently? Well... google "teen suicide" and you'll find that many teens who commit suicide, are also gay.
And?
Genuine Christianity™ actively persecutes gays, in the public sphere and in private too.
So there you go: one aspect of modern society, where Genuine Christianity™ is directly culpable for atrocity.
You bare talking of a historical past. The R.C. Church has largely mended its ways since then and are not endorsing the killing of innocent civilians.

flbadcatowner

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#1529 May 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you don't remember the Bosnian war? sad that so many US citizens are pathetically ill-informed about world events and what they are talking about...
That was ethnic driven and not necessarily religion driven as Catholic Serbs turned on Catholic Croats as well. The Serbs wanted to purge anything that wasn't Serbian from their country. The RC Church did not in any way endorse this war.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1530 May 17, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>That was ethnic driven and not necessarily religion driven as Catholic Serbs turned on Catholic Croats as well. The Serbs wanted to purge anything that wasn't Serbian from their country. The RC Church did not in any way endorse this war.
no, it was a three way religious war. why do you even comment on crap you don't even understand?

the sects of your cult that fought sure endorsed the killing of both the other christian sect and the other abrahamic god sect.(muslims...same god you all worship, just a different sect. so basically it was the same religious cult members killing each other off. your god condones killing people who don't believe the same as you...nice cult ya got there...)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1531 May 17, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You bare talking of a historical past. The R.C. Church has largely mended its ways since then and are not endorsing the killing of innocent civilians.
False.

Your reading comprehension isn't very good, is it?

What about recently? Well... google "teen suicide" and you'll find that many teens who commit suicide, are also gay.

And?

Genuine Christianity™ actively persecutes gays, in the public sphere and in private too.

So there you go: one aspect of modern society, where Genuine Christianity™ is directly culpable for atrocity.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1532 May 17, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>That was ethnic driven and not necessarily religion driven as Catholic Serbs turned on Catholic Croats as well. The Serbs wanted to purge anything that wasn't Serbian from their country. The RC Church did not in any way endorse this war.
And did >>nothing<< to stop it, either.

Just as your Cat'Lick Pope was quite willing to bless Hitler's Nazi party, in the early part of his rise to power.

We have any amount of damning photographs, showing the Pope of WW2, blessing Hitler and his party.

Even during the worst parts? Your Cat'Lick church was silent--too silent about what was happening in Germany.

Sure, sure--there were a scant few aberrations to that complicity, in that some >>individual<< catholic heroes were willing to buck the trend, and tried to rescue Jews-- some were successful too.

But no thanks to the Vatican.

It wasn't until it became quite clear, Hitler was going to lose, that the Cat'Lick Hierarchy did an abrupt about-face, and started to condemn what was happening...

... and this is hardly surprising: the doctrine within the Cat'Lick church was still common enough, that the Jews were "dirty Christ-killers"....

... this doctrine has been somewhat abandoned-- but not entirely.

huntcoyotes

“gun control takes two hands”

Since: Mar 13

outdoors

#1533 May 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Okay, due to a dearth of material, I did read the rest of your sh7t-piece.
<quoted text>
I said that you REPUBLICAN-VOTERS think that woman shouldn't have rights.
I also said that you TRUE BELIEVERS™ believe that as well-- as your Genuine Christian Bible™ instructs you to:
"wives, be submissive to your hubbies"
"women, remain silent in church"
Basically, women are property, according to the Genuine Christian Bible™
Ah, you believe I'm not allowed to think for myself. Wrong again.

huntcoyotes

“gun control takes two hands”

Since: Mar 13

outdoors

#1534 May 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Vast majority is pretty much the same as most, your reading comprehension is a failure because I said that most wars are started by religious people, which is inherently true because of the overwhelming number of religious people versus irreligious people. What I stated was fact, you posted something that had, literally, nothing to do with what I stated. You evaded the topic, or you miscomprehended what was stated.
Blah blah blah, wars are started by politicians. You need to prove that most warring politicians are religious zealots to be right in your assertion.

huntcoyotes

“gun control takes two hands”

Since: Mar 13

outdoors

#1535 May 17, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You bare talking of a historical past. The R.C. Church has largely mended its ways since then and are not endorsing the killing of innocent civilians.
Bob is a hoot, isn't he? His mind is stuck in ancient times while insisting Christians aren't allowed to think for themselves.'ol KK wants to imagine he/she is a lawyer and the rest of them resemble obamabots in their blind agreement with each other, regardless of the blindness demonstrated by their posts. No wonder I erred in naming bob as the one I was responding to earlier.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1536 May 17, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Ah, you believe I'm not allowed to think for myself. Wrong again.
You continuously demonstrate that you not only cannot think, but you seem to enjoy being just another sheeple.

Sad, really.

How's that Trickle-Down working for you? Has it actually created even ONE job?

No?

Interesting.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1537 May 17, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Blah blah blah, wars are started by politicians. You need to prove that most warring politicians are religious zealots to be right in your assertion.
Nope.

Politicians listening to RELIGIOUS idiots... like... say... you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1538 May 17, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Bob is a hoot, isn't he? His mind is stuck in ancient times while insisting Christians aren't allowed to think for themselves.
Correct. Your BuyBull commands you to literally stop thinking, and to give up your will to Jewsus.

To become a good little sheeple, like the BuyBull commands you to.

But that's okay-- you have already demonstrated you have no thinking skills at all.

So nothing's changed here for you, is it?
Imhotep

Windermere, FL

#1539 May 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
Politicians listening to RELIGIOUS idiots... like... say... you.
Most politicians are religious idiots!

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Dear American People,

Yesterday, your hardworking House Republicans tried, once again, and failed, once again, to repeal Obamacare. And I really thought we had a good chance this time.

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It was a gruelling week for me, what with popping up in front of the TV cameras every five minutes saying,“Who’s going to jail?,” plus trying to rid our land of Obamacare. But I don’t want your thanks. Save that for the dedicated House Republicans who have now voted thirty-seven times to repeal. You can’t put a price tag on that kind of performance. Well, actually, you can: it’s cost the taxpayers over fifty million dollars.

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Courage,

John Boehner

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1540 May 18, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Blah blah blah, wars are started by politicians. You need to prove that most warring politicians are religious zealots to be right in your assertion.
All politicians in the US are religious, thus all US wars were started by religious people.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1541 May 18, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Bob is a hoot, isn't he? His mind is stuck in ancient times while insisting Christians aren't allowed to think for themselves.'ol KK wants to imagine he/she is a lawyer and the rest of them resemble obamabots in their blind agreement with each other, regardless of the blindness demonstrated by their posts. No wonder I erred in naming bob as the one I was responding to earlier.
Actually no, I want to imagine myself as Robert Downey Jr. But .... that's all besides the point.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1542 May 18, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>That was ethnic driven and not necessarily religion driven as Catholic Serbs turned on Catholic Croats as well. The Serbs wanted to purge anything that wasn't Serbian from their country. The RC Church did not in any way endorse this war.
oh...did you wiki it and now your an expert?

seriously?

it was a three way religious war. the christians even identified their sects on their uniforms why would they do that if it wasn't religious. yes, even in today's age your cult is still killing in the name of god, just like Islam. but then, htey worship the same mythical god, so go figure....

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1543 May 18, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You bare talking of a historical past. The R.C. Church has largely mended its ways since then and are not endorsing the killing of innocent civilians.
except for the whole villages of woman and children they slaughtered in the name of their christian god in the Balkan wars...

facts and history are fun!

flbadcatowner

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#1544 May 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, it was a three way religious war. why do you even comment on crap you don't even understand?
the sects of your cult that fought sure endorsed the killing of both the other christian sect and the other abrahamic god sect.(muslims...same god you all worship, just a different sect. so basically it was the same religious cult members killing each other off. your god condones killing people who don't believe the same as you...nice cult ya got there...)
This hardly addresses the point of the post, that the violence was ethnic driven. Most of the agression came from the majority Serbs who wanted to get rid of all other ethnic groups from their territory.

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