Atheist Islamophobia... Again

Apr 9, 2013 Full story: Religion Dispatched 3,766

Sparked by a Richard Dawkins tweet , in which he drew a parallel between Islamists and Nazis, Nathan Lean recently suggested on Salon.com that the most famous representatives of the new atheism "flirt with" Islamophobia [echoing Chris Stedman's prescient warning to fellow atheists on RD this past August]. As the article explains, Dawkins, Hitchens ... (more)

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#102 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
@woodtick57,
listen, you post some very interesting questions that I would be more than happy to discuss with you. But I'm afraid your going to have to find someone else to have your conversation with.
1) I want to have a discussion, not a debate.
2) You keep comparing Islam to Christianity. And I told you they are not the same. if you want to talk about Christianity, go find a Christian.
3)you are rude in the manner you talk to me, when I did nothing to offend you. so go be rude to someone else.
4) you are way to aggressive and aren't even listening to my side of the discussion. You are just looking for ways to refute me. it might be entertaining to but it isn't for me.
you worship the same mythical god as the christians and the jews. the god of abraham.

your side of the discussion is that you have proof of this mythical god of yours. you do not.

if you feel talking about religion in a rational way is rude, you should nto talk about it in the real world, keep it in your house of worship where it belongs...

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#103 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is the thing, I never asked what you believe or don't believe. I simply asked to prove that god doesn't exists since that's what you claim. And I said God does exist and I can prove it. we are talking about the exists of god, not the believe in God. ok?
I made the point that you don't need to refute something in order not to believe it hoping you would make the connection between that point and you statement that atheists say they can refute God. So let me spell it out for you. NO THAT IS NOT WHAT MOST OF US SAY, most atheists say there is no good argument for God so they cannot believe.
Is that finally clear? Don’t read that your side says about what we think, read your opponent’s books on atheism and accept no other statement for what my side thinks just like I accept no other statement of what you think unless it comes from your mouth. Until you fix this problem you are repeating a straw man and this topic won’t even get off the ground.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#104 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
ok, new argument. if there were no God, there could be no Quran.
Regarding the sources of the Qur'an there can be three basic assumptions for a non-Muslim:
a) Prophet Muhammad (saw) himself was the author of the Quran; consciously, sub-consciously or unconsciously.
b) Prophet Muhammad (saw) learnt it from other human sources or copied or adopted from previous scriptures or revelations.
c) Quran has no human author but it is a word for word revelation from God.
So by discuss the three different ways the Quran could have come into being. Let me know if I'm missing and other possibility.
Do you follow me so far? Does it make any sense?
you are starting froma false premise. of course there could be a quran without a god. humans have made up thousands of gods and holy books over the ages. again, if the holy book itself is proof of the god, then every god ever written about is real. do you not see how your logic is faulty here?

you forgot the possibility where Mohammad made up this stuff, and so did the people who put together his notes after he was dead. this would seem to be the most rational explanation.

Since: Apr 13

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#105 Apr 14, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
I made the point that you don't need to refute something in order not to believe it hoping you would make the connection between that point and you statement that atheists say they can refute God. So let me spell it out for you. NO THAT IS NOT WHAT MOST OF US SAY, most atheists say there is no good argument for God so they cannot believe.
Is that finally clear? Don’t read that your side says about what we think, read your opponent’s books on atheism and accept no other statement for what my side thinks just like I accept no other statement of what you think unless it comes from your mouth. Until you fix this problem you are repeating a straw man and this topic won’t even get off the ground.
you're right. I guess misunderstood what you were saying. Last thing I would want is for us to go around in cycles. I get dizzy easily.:(
Second, I have read works from your side. Also, ex-Muslims agree with me that your side don't know what the are talking about when it comes Islam. It's hard for you to see it because you were never a Muslim and you don't have any knowledge about Islam.
Anyways, that doesn't me we can't have a good discussion.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#106 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
you're right. I guess misunderstood what you were saying. Last thing I would want is for us to go around in cycles. I get dizzy easily.:(
Second, I have read works from your side. Also, ex-Muslims agree with me that your side don't know what the are talking about when it comes Islam. It's hard for you to see it because you were never a Muslim and you don't have any knowledge about Islam.
Anyways, that doesn't me we can't have a good discussion.
you see people as on "your side" on the "other side" as to islam? and you don't see the inherent divisivness of your cult?(any cult, for that matter?)

Since: Apr 13

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#107 Apr 14, 2013
@woodtick57,
This clearly proves what I have been saying about you. You don't even read my posts do you?

"you are starting froma false premise. of course there could be a quran without a god." The other topixs user ask me to do that. And unlike you, he is very respect and easy to have conversation with.

"you forgot the possibility where Mohammad made up this stuff"
reread #a.
Lincoln

United States

#108 Apr 14, 2013
Whatever you do, you must remain nimble in your thinking.
Do not become so attached to any one belief that you cannot see past it to another possibility.

Christopher Paolin Brisingr

Since: Apr 13

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#109 Apr 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you see people as on "your side" on the "other side" as to islam? and you don't see the inherent divisivness of your cult?(any cult, for that matter?)
"Don’t read that your side says about what we think, read your opponent’s books on atheism and accept no other statement for what my side thinks"
This was posted by your fellow atheist @Benjamin Frankly. Who unlike you again, I can have a conversation with. Go talk to him about my side and your side.

Since: Jun 07

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#110 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
you're right. I guess misunderstood what you were saying. Last thing I would want is for us to go around in cycles. I get dizzy easily.:(
Second, I have read works from your side. Also, ex-Muslims agree with me that your side don't know what the are talking about when it comes Islam. It's hard for you to see it because you were never a Muslim and you don't have any knowledge about Islam.
Anyways, that doesn't me we can't have a good discussion.
Atheists is disbelief in god. There are no "works" of atheism or any dogma of any sort.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#111 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
@woodtick57,
This clearly proves what I have been saying about you. You don't even read my posts do you?
"you are starting froma false premise. of course there could be a quran without a god." The other topixs user ask me to do that. And unlike you, he is very respect and easy to have conversation with.
"you forgot the possibility where Mohammad made up this stuff"
reread #a.
yes, i read your post very clearly. you are starting from a false premise.
your proof that your mythical god exists is crap.

you forgot the rest of my post for #a...why is that?
Lincoln

United States

#112 Apr 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, i read your post very clearly. you are starting from a false premise.
your proof that your mythical god exists is crap.
you forgot the rest of my post for #a...why is that?
"your proof that your mythical god exists is crap."

Eloquently stated,
a credit to atheism or an embarrassment ?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#113 Apr 14, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
"your proof that your mythical god exists is crap."
Eloquently stated,
a credit to atheism or an embarrassment ?
just a statement of fact...

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#114 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
First, Christians say that the bible was written by men who were inspired by God, not the actually word of God.
Yea and many state that it is the word of god written by the hand of god, big deal.
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Second, I said I can prove that it wasn't written by Muhammad(saw)but God? That there was no way it could've been written by humans at that time.
Muhammad was 40 when he died around the year 632. Now you are stating that no one at that time could read or write. Besides the bible at the time had been written, whereas and henceforth came the quran in a rewritten form.

You stated that you have can provide proof of a god, so far I have seen none just a belief system and that is not proof.

What are the criteria for a god?
Lincoln

United States

#115 Apr 14, 2013
“Science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind.”
&#8213; Albert Einstein

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#117 Apr 14, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
“Science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind.”
&#8213; Albert Einstein
is this from the guy who was wrong about god playing dice with the universe?

Since: Apr 13

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#118 Apr 14, 2013
"Muhammad was 40 when he died around the year 632. Now you are stating that no one at that time could read or write. Besides the bible at the time had been written, whereas and henceforth came the quran in a rewritten form."

He was 40 when he became a prophet and he died at 63.
when I said written, I didn't mean pen and paper because Muhammad(saw) could read or write, he was illiterate. I guess I used the wrong word, I meant created. hopeful that clarifies it for you.
Also, be patient. We will get there.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#119 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
"Muhammad was 40 when he died around the year 632. Now you are stating that no one at that time could read or write. Besides the bible at the time had been written, whereas and henceforth came the quran in a rewritten form."
He was 40 when he became a prophet and he died at 63.
when I said written, I didn't mean pen and paper because Muhammad(saw) could read or write, he was illiterate. I guess I used the wrong word, I meant created. hopeful that clarifies it for you.
Also, be patient. We will get there.
So how did Mohammad know the guy writing down what he said was correct?

Since: Apr 13

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#120 Apr 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>So how did Mohammad know the guy writing down what he said was correct?
it wasn't only textually preserved but also orally. And there was more than one person who wrote it down.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#121 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
it wasn't only textually preserved but also orally. And there was more than one person who wrote it down.
Please, get over it! There is no god, never has there ever been one, except in the minds of very superstitious, uneducated people.
The notion that there was a god was brought about by con men wanting to control the population and at the same time fill their pockets with gold without lifting a finger or getting dirty. Wake up, this is 2013 not 1413.

Since: Apr 09

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#122 Apr 14, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
it wasn't only textually preserved but also orally. And there was more than one person who wrote it down.
You do realize that everyone recognizes that you're just making this shit up as you go along, right?

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