Atheist Islamophobia... Again

Atheist Islamophobia... Again

There are 3765 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Apr 9, 2013, titled Atheist Islamophobia... Again. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

Sparked by a Richard Dawkins tweet , in which he drew a parallel between Islamists and Nazis, Nathan Lean recently suggested on Salon.com that the most famous representatives of the new atheism "flirt with" Islamophobia [echoing Chris Stedman's prescient warning to fellow atheists on RD this past August]. As the article explains, Dawkins, Hitchens ... (more)

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Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#919 Apr 29, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Actually you're talking out of your ass, quantum theory does not prove god at all.

There's no such thing as god. People who believe in god suffer from a mental illness which makes them believe it's ok to lie to people about the origin of the universe with no evidence.

Atheists don't subscribe to religious cults which lie about science and atheists.
Sorry, science proves you wrong!

Had you study Quantum mechanics? Quantum Theory?

I suggest you do before attacking its results!!!

Do you think that you do no exist unless someone else is watching you?

Physics says that is the case!!!

It is demonstrable in the lab!!!!

Remember you are made of electrons and photons, right?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/...

Feb. 27, 1998 — REHOVOT, Israel, February 26, 1998--One of the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of watching, the observer affects the observed reality.

In a study reported in the February 26 issue of Nature (Vol. 391, pp. 871-874), researchers at the Weizmann Institute of Science have now conducted a highly controlled experiment demonstrating how a beam of electrons is affected by the act of being observed. The experiment revealed that the greater the amount of "watching," the greater the observer's influence on what actually takes place.
The research team headed by Prof. Mordehai Heiblum, included Ph.D. student Eyal Buks, Dr. Ralph Schuster, Dr. Diana Mahalu and Dr. Vladimir Umansky. The scientists, members of the Condensed Matter Physics Department, work at the Institute's Joseph H. and Belle R. Braun Center for Submicron Research.
When a quantum "observer" is watching Quantum mechanics states that particles can also behave as waves. This can be true for electrons at the submicron level, i.e., at distances measuring less than one micron, or one thousandth of a millimeter. When behaving as waves, they can simultaneously pass through several openings in a barrier and then meet again at the other side of the barrier. This "meeting" is known as interference.
Strange as it may sound, interference can only occur when no one is watching. Once an observer begins to watch the particles going through the openings, the picture changes dramatically: if a particle can be seen going through one opening, then it's clear it didn't go through another. In other words, when under observation, electrons are being "forced" to behave like particles and not like waves. Thus the mere act of observation affects the experimental findings.

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#920 Apr 29, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>It's a fact not an opinion.
There's no such thing as god.
Until someone proves that "gods are possible" it will remain that way.
Looking at the history of the earth, nobody has ever done this, so "god is not real" remains a fact, whether human beings suffer from mental illnesses of faith or not.
"Until someone proves that "gods are possible"?

Quantum theory already proven that
"gods are possible"!

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#921 Apr 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, allah is the abrahamic god. the same one you worship. this is why your sect and theirs have so much in common. a god saying it is OK to kill people who do not believe. having slaves. intolerance of difference. subjugation of women.

you guys are bros at the alter!
Nope!

It being confirmed by archeology that Allah was a pagan moon god!!!

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god-alla...
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#922 Apr 29, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
But do not you see that a philosophy of God will give you a quality life than a quite desperation of nothingness?
If there is nothing at the end then why live in despair?
Faith, even if erroneous, is a powerful thing that will bring quality to your mere existence!
Good grief sonny, I said nothing about living in dispair. I said your either going into the dirt when you die or up in smoke and for me that's the way. Also don't know where that B/S of "god gave you quality of life" crap came from? All of the quality that I feel that I have had in my life, I earned it, no one, nor anything gave it to me. By the way how can an invisable man in the sky give you anything, your ready for the men in the white coats to take you away to the funny farm.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#923 Apr 29, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text> an anti Catholic conspriracy site and two extreme atheist site. Do you have Reliable link to a site not run by nutjobs?
Ironically, the sites you call "nutjobs" have actual sources that are very reliable. Odd that you didn't actually click the links.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#924 Apr 29, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
"Until someone proves that "gods are possible"?
Quantum theory already proven that
"gods are possible"!
No, it has not. Science is silent on that which cannot be proven.
Lincoln

United States

#925 Apr 30, 2013
californio wrote:
Bye the way dont you people have aanything better to do on the weekend. I went camping with my family saw the stars under the Desert night, and had a wonderful time.
Gt away from topix every now and then , you will be less grumpy.
Excellent Post

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#926 Apr 30, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
But do not you see that a philosophy of God will give you a quality life than a quite desperation of nothingness?
If there is nothing at the end then why live in despair?
Faith, even if erroneous, is a powerful thing that will bring quality to your mere existence!
Religious Faith, always erroneous, is a powerful thing that will cause some to strap explosives to their bodies and detonate them in a crowded market!

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#927 Apr 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Ironically, the sites you call "nutjobs" have actual sources that are very reliable. Odd that you didn't actually click the links.
Really? You find that odd?:)
Lincoln

United States

#928 Apr 30, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, science proves you wrong!
Had you study Quantum mechanics? Quantum Theory?
I suggest you do before attacking its results!!!
Do you think that you do no exist unless someone else is watching you?
Physics says that is the case!!!
It is demonstrable in the lab!!!!
Remember you are made of electrons and photons, right?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/...
Feb. 27, 1998 — REHOVOT, Israel, February 26, 1998--One of the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of watching, the observer affects the observed reality.
In a study reported in the February 26 issue of Nature (Vol. 391, pp. 871-874), researchers at the Weizmann Institute of Science have now conducted a highly controlled experiment demonstrating how a beam of electrons is affected by the act of being observed. The experiment revealed that the greater the amount of "watching," the greater the observer's influence on what actually takes place.
The research team headed by Prof. Mordehai Heiblum, included Ph.D. student Eyal Buks, Dr. Ralph Schuster, Dr. Diana Mahalu and Dr. Vladimir Umansky. The scientists, members of the Condensed Matter Physics Department, work at the Institute's Joseph H. and Belle R. Braun Center for Submicron Research.
When a quantum "observer" is watching Quantum mechanics states that particles can also behave as waves. This can be true for electrons at the submicron level, i.e., at distances measuring less than one micron, or one thousandth of a millimeter. When behaving as waves, they can simultaneously pass through several openings in a barrier and then meet again at the other side of the barrier. This "meeting" is known as interference.
Strange as it may sound, interference can only occur when no one is watching. Once an observer begins to watch the particles going through the openings, the picture changes dramatically: if a particle can be seen going through one opening, then it's clear it didn't go through another. In other words, when under observation, electrons are being "forced" to behave like particles and not like waves. Thus the mere act of observation affects the experimental findings.
.
alas "Quantum mechanics" does Not prove atheism.
Keep trying ....LOL

Since: Jun 07

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#929 Apr 30, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
.
alas "Quantum mechanics" does Not prove atheism.
Keep trying ....LOL
Immoral theist troll who doesn't know when to shut the f*ck up about a god he cannot prove.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#930 Apr 30, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, science proves you wrong!
Had you study Quantum mechanics? Quantum Theory?
I suggest you do before attacking its results!!!
Do you think that you do no exist unless someone else is watching you?
Physics says that is the case!!!
It is demonstrable in the lab!!!!
Remember you are made of electrons and photons, right?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/...
Feb. 27, 1998 — REHOVOT, Israel, February 26, 1998--One of the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of watching, the observer affects the observed reality.
In a study reported in the February 26 issue of Nature (Vol. 391, pp. 871-874), researchers at the Weizmann Institute of Science have now conducted a highly controlled experiment demonstrating how a beam of electrons is affected by the act of being observed. The experiment revealed that the greater the amount of "watching," the greater the observer's influence on what actually takes place.
The research team headed by Prof. Mordehai Heiblum, included Ph.D. student Eyal Buks, Dr. Ralph Schuster, Dr. Diana Mahalu and Dr. Vladimir Umansky. The scientists, members of the Condensed Matter Physics Department, work at the Institute's Joseph H. and Belle R. Braun Center for Submicron Research.
When a quantum "observer" is watching Quantum mechanics states that particles can also behave as waves. This can be true for electrons at the submicron level, i.e., at distances measuring less than one micron, or one thousandth of a millimeter. When behaving as waves, they can simultaneously pass through several openings in a barrier and then meet again at the other side of the barrier. This "meeting" is known as interference.
Strange as it may sound, interference can only occur when no one is watching. Once an observer begins to watch the particles going through the openings, the picture changes dramatically: if a particle can be seen going through one opening, then it's clear it didn't go through another. In other words, when under observation, electrons are being "forced" to behave like particles and not like waves. Thus the mere act of observation affects the experimental findings.
You're another theist with a mental illness who doesn't know when to stop talking about a god he cannot prove and that there is evidence against.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#931 Apr 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it has not. Science is silent on that which cannot be proven.
So many people, especially on a certain side of the basic issue in this forum, have a hard time distinguishing scientific findings from philosophical speculation based on them. The assertion that quantum theory proves God may exist is a comically excellent example of this--I snickered into my Chablis for nearly five seconds over that one. I do, though, try to refrain from ridiculing the ridiculous too often... I get far too much amusement from such pronouncements to risk drying up their source.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#932 Apr 30, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, science proves you wrong!
Had you study Quantum mechanics? Quantum Theory?
I suggest you do before attacking its results!!!
yes, I have studied quantum theory. In depth. And no, it doesn't show what you seem to think it does.
Do you think that you do no exist unless someone else is watching you?
Physics says that is the case!!!
No, actually, it does not. There is *some* aspect of this that is true for microscopic things like electrons. But for macroscopic things, the degeneracy of quantum mechanics is rapidly 'relaxed' by the environment.
It is demonstrable in the lab!!!!
Remember you are made of electrons and photons, right?
yes. And that doesn't show what you seem to think it does.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re leases/1998/02/980227055013.ht m
Feb. 27, 1998 — REHOVOT, Israel, February 26, 1998--One of the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of watching, the observer affects the observed reality.
Also from the same article:

" The "observer" in this experiment wasn't human. Institute scientists used for this purpose a tiny but sophisticated electronic detector that can spot passing electrons. The quantum "observer's" capacity to detect electrons could be altered by changing its electrical conductivity, or the strength of the current passing through it. "

So, yes, the ability to measure a quantum particle affects the behavior of that particle. Nothing really new here, although it is another of a long line of experiments demonstrating this effect.

Once again, quantum mechanics doesn't say what you seem to think it does. In particular, it has nothing to do with 'consciousness' or any deity.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#933 Apr 30, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
"Until someone proves that "gods are possible"?
Quantum theory already proven that
"gods are possible"!
Please provide the refereed article stating this.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#934 Apr 30, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope!
It being confirmed by archeology that Allah was a pagan moon god!!!
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god-alla...
Yes, and YHWH was a pagan mountain god. So?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#935 Apr 30, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
So many people, especially on a certain side of the basic issue in this forum, have a hard time distinguishing scientific findings from philosophical speculation based on them. The assertion that quantum theory proves God may exist is a comically excellent example of this--I snickered into my Chablis for nearly five seconds over that one. I do, though, try to refrain from ridiculing the ridiculous too often... I get far too much amusement from such pronouncements to risk drying up their source.
*That* risk is minimal.

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#936 Apr 30, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>Good grief sonny, I said nothing about living in dispair. I said your either going into the dirt when you die or up in smoke and for me that's the way. Also don't know where that B/S of "god gave you quality of life" crap came from? All of the quality that I feel that I have had in my life, I earned it, no one, nor anything gave it to me. By the way how can an invisable man in the sky give you anything, your ready for the men in the white coats to take you away to the funny farm.
When you have no hope of anything greater after THIS life then the normal respond is DESPAIR.

"By the way how can an invisable man in the sky give you anything."

Yes, that "invisible" man alreay gave you instructions on how to live a fulfilling life and a preview of what is happening afte this one!

The instructions given are in the Bible.

Read it.

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#937 Apr 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, it has not. Science is silent on that which cannot be proven.
YOU ARE WRONG!

SCIENCE PROVES YOU WRONG!!!

Objective science proved you totally wrong!

Can parallel universes be proven?

Or had they already being proven?

A physicist by the name of Alan Guth came up with a parallel universes theory based on many observations. References to his theory are called inflationary universe or inflationary theory of cosmology. Professor Guth is currently the Victor F. Weisskopf Professor of Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Many of Professor Guth’s peers believe that his theory is correct. He believes that when the universe began, instead of a gravitational pull to keep things together, there was a reverse type of gravitation working and instead repelled everything from it, which he coined a “false vacuum.” As scientists have proven our world is constantly expanding, this theory seems plausible.

http://www.quantumjumping.com/articles/parall...

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#938 Apr 30, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Religious Faith, always erroneous, is a powerful thing that will cause some to strap explosives to their bodies and detonate them in a crowded market!
The IMMORAL type of religious faith!

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