Atheist Islamophobia... Again

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Sparked by a Richard Dawkins tweet , in which he drew a parallel between Islamists and Nazis, Nathan Lean recently suggested on Salon.com that the most famous representatives of the new atheism "flirt with" Islamophobia [echoing Chris Stedman's prescient warning to fellow atheists on RD this past August]. As the article explains, Dawkins, Hitchens ... (more)

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downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#838 Apr 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Why do you assume it was "created" and not the result of natural laws?


"The actual point of creation lies outside the scope of presently known laws of physics."
Stephen Hawking,
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#839 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
It is all a mindless god-robot like you deserves.
Oh!
I almost forgot:
Proof? Here ya go:
" http://alamoministries.com/content/english/An... ;
" http://emperor.vwh.net/vatican/cpix.htm" ;
" http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm" ;
Said Bob of Quantum BS.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#840 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed-- I have no problem with that statement.
Athiesm is >>not<< a philosophy or worldview of any kind.
It is simply not having faith-- in the patently unbelievable.
You know-- that fairy-tale you call "god".


In your case it is the village view of the idiot.

Many atheists hold that atheism is a more parsimonious worldview than theism, and therefore the burden of proof lies not on the atheist to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a rationale for theism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

The New Atheists' Narrow Worldview
http://chronicle.com/article/The-New-Atheists...

Examination of
The Atheist Worldview

U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh District Circuit Court,
Chief Judge: Crabb
Circuit Judges: Bauer, Wood, Williams
Kaufman v. McCaughtry
Document 04-1914; Aug 19,2005.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#841 Apr 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Said Bob of Quantum BS.
Yes-- you are a mindless robotic drone.

If I repeat the FACTS enough? Maybe some will dribble into what's left of your brains-- before the rest of your brains leak out onto the floor...

Oh! Here you go: Proof of your god not being real:

No self-respecting god would permit such as YOU to represent it's good name.

None.

Proving to 100% that you are NOT representing ANY god.

At all.

Too Easy--- your god isn't real, because YOU are an ASS.

Simple.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#842 Apr 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The actual point of creation lies outside the scope of presently known laws of physics."
Stephen Hawking,
Sorry you brought up Hawking now?

Heaven is a ‘fairy story for people afraid of the dark’, Professor Stephen Hawking suggestd yesterday.

As well as saying there is no heaven or afterlife, the renowned scientist said that our brains switch off like ‘broken down computers’ when we die.

His comments upset some religious groups, already angry at his statement last year that the universe was not created by God.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#843 Apr 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh and this
"Mere unbelief in a personal God is no philosophy at all"
Albert Einstein
No, but it's a good start...

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#844 Apr 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
In your case it is the village view of the idiot.
Many atheists hold that atheism is a more parsimonious worldview than theism, and therefore the burden of proof lies not on the atheist to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a rationale for theism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
The New Atheists' Narrow Worldview
http://chronicle.com/article/The-New-Atheists...
Examination of
The Atheist Worldview
U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh District Circuit Court,
Chief Judge: Crabb
Circuit Judges: Bauer, Wood, Williams
Kaufman v. McCaughtry
Document 04-1914; Aug 19,2005.
The basic problem is that atheists are far to disparate a demographic group for anyone to legitimately speak for us all, much less promulgate our world view--we don't have one in common. The best anyone con do is to describe the views of on of the subgroups, but that leaves out those of us whose views are too individualistic to be grouped with anyone.

There are quite a lot of us.

So cite as many "authorities" as you like. You'll still have it all wrong.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#845 Apr 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The actual point of creation lies outside the scope of presently known laws of physics."
Stephen Hawking,
Note that I put "created" in quotes. You and Stephen are talking about two very different types of creation, and it's likely he will never use that word as a descriptive again because of theists taking such things out of context so willingly, just to quote mine.

Now, why do you assume anything was "created," as in, formed through the will of intelligence?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#846 Apr 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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In your case it is the village view of the idiot.
Many atheists hold that atheism is a more parsimonious worldview than theism, and therefore the burden of proof lies not on the atheist to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a rationale for theism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
The New Atheists' Narrow Worldview
http://chronicle.com/article/The-New-Atheists...
Examination of
The Atheist Worldview
U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh District Circuit Court,
Chief Judge: Crabb
Circuit Judges: Bauer, Wood, Williams
Kaufman v. McCaughtry
Document 04-1914; Aug 19,2005.
Wikipedia is not always correct, and in this case it is not. The burden of proof is on the theist not because one or the other is "better" in any way, but because you cannot "prove a negative," in other words, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim to which evidence supports the claim. Since a lack of evidence suggests no god, it is up to you to demonstrate that your claim of the being a god is supported by evidence.

Which leaves but one question: Where is the evidence that a god, specifically your god, exists?
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#847 Apr 28, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry you brought up Hawking now?
Heaven is a ‘fairy story for people afraid of the dark’, Professor Stephen Hawking suggestd yesterday.
As well as saying there is no heaven or afterlife, the renowned scientist said that our brains switch off like ‘broken down computers’ when we die.
His comments upset some religious groups, already angry at his statement last year that the universe was not created by God.
Damn that is just great "a fairy tale for people afraid of the dark". Just love that quote! Of course he's correct, it's people that think they are important and fear death that want an after life. Hey boys and girls, after 6 months no one will remember your name, that why they put a chunk of granite with your name on it over the spot where they plant you. DUH!!!!!
Thinking

Blandford Forum, UK

#848 Apr 28, 2013
That's the same Einstein that didn't believe in a creation event, right?

So you now live your life solely by Einstein's writings?
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh and this
"Mere unbelief in a personal God is no philosophy at all"
Albert Einstein

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#849 Apr 28, 2013
Thinking wrote:
That's the same Einstein that didn't believe in a creation event, right?
So you now live your life solely by Einstein's writings?
<quoted text>
Well, he didn't believe in the christian crap. He was a deist, a very different religious view and very different notion of what a god is. But shhh, don't tell them that, maybe they'll at least become as intelligent as he was if they emulate his words.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#850 Apr 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Wikipedia is not always correct, and in this case it is not. The burden of proof is on the theist not because one or the other is "better" in any way, but because you cannot "prove a negative," in other words, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim to which evidence supports the claim. Since a lack of evidence suggests no god, it is up to you to demonstrate that your claim of the being a god is supported by evidence.
Which leaves but one question: Where is the evidence that a god, specifically your god, exists?
I guess they want us to prove the no existence of Hob goblins. Unicorns, Spaghetti Monsters, Fairies, Peter Pan,etc.
Imhotep

United States

#851 Apr 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Never open amateur links posted by people too lazy to do their own research.Com ing from an atheist such as yourself it could be malware.
Sadly... the only malware is in your brain.

You have been infected with the infamous Godidit Trojan Horse virus. Consult any library for the cure!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#852 Apr 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Latest estimate of killings by regimes that promoted atheism as government policy was upwards of 135 million. How do you folks live with yourself?
yes, and as you well know, because it has been pointed out to you many times, it was people of faith doing all the killing.

how do YOU live with yourself and your cult?

how do you live with your self repeating this lie so many times?

you keep proving your cult is a poor moral guide....

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#853 Apr 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh and this
"Mere unbelief in a personal God is no philosophy at all"
Albert Einstein
downhill, sometimes you try to lump atheism in as a religion and here you are saying it is not...

which is it? do you even have a coherent view of the topic you are talking about or do you just search for what you think is disparaging quotes about people you don't understand and fear? why do you do that?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#854 Apr 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, and as you well know, because it has been pointed out to you many times, it was people of faith doing all the killing.
how do YOU live with yourself and your cult?
how do you live with your self repeating this lie so many times?
you keep proving your cult is a poor moral guide....
The basic problem is that people, regardless of the underlying political or religious beliefs, can be convinced en masse that some things are worth killing for. In the long run, the only solution is promoting systems of ethics that give top priority to avoiding harm to others, the point being that if people don't kill each other over emotionally charged disagreements, issues can be sorted out through negotiation, consultation, or legal action.

Nazism, Communism, nationalism, Puritanism, so many isms have led to so many millions of deaths. Arguing over secondary motivations behind destructive mass action misses the point. All human societies, at one time or another, have allowed other priorities to take precedence over respect for the safety of others, resulting in warfare, mass executions, and genocide. The most significant advancement we can make in human development at this point is to break that cycle and create a global civilization for which "violent solution" is an absolute oxymoron.

There is no such thing as a violent solution. By its very nature, violence only creates new problems.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#855 Apr 28, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
The basic problem is that people, regardless of the underlying political or religious beliefs, can be convinced en masse that some things are worth killing for. In the long run, the only solution is promoting systems of ethics that give top priority to avoiding harm to others, the point being that if people don't kill each other over emotionally charged disagreements, issues can be sorted out through negotiation, consultation, or legal action.
Nazism, Communism, nationalism, Puritanism, so many isms have led to so many millions of deaths. Arguing over secondary motivations behind destructive mass action misses the point. All human societies, at one time or another, have allowed other priorities to take precedence over respect for the safety of others, resulting in warfare, mass executions, and genocide. The most significant advancement we can make in human development at this point is to break that cycle and create a global civilization for which "violent solution" is an absolute oxymoron.
There is no such thing as a violent solution. By its very nature, violence only creates new problems.
well, ones morals should prevent one from rounding people up and them, no?

this is the part of these regimes i am talking about, not the war part. and that is what the people lying about this part of history are talking about also.
Lincoln

United States

#856 Apr 28, 2013
Science is silent of the atheist yarn...

“Some will argue that a person who is ‘unnattractive’ as far as Western tastes go will gravitate towards issues of anger and anti-social behavior and often that kind of anger will manifest as a hatred for the concept of a god or deity or creator.
 
They might blame the creator and by denying the existance of a creator, they are denying their own ugliness. 

I do not mean to imply that one has to be ugly to be an athiest but there is an inherent inner ugliness that the patients percieve about themselves.  They may be quite attractive but consider themselves to be ugly but overall the people we studied were not blatantly attractive physically. 

Another factor to be considered is that a person who exhibits the Atheist Misfit Syndrome may be inclined to intentionally seem unappealing.  They may be intentionally unstylish or unkempt.  There are so many comorbities and variants that it may take years to create a scientific model that projects 100% accuracy with regards to how this all applies to western beauty.
 
“It’s hard to accept something like this — something like the results of our study — in an enlightened society, but there is no getting around the scientific proof. Every variable and every model that has been used comes to the same conclusion.  People who openly do not believe in a creator or a greater spirit and opt to debate it as part of their definition of self, are almost always suffering from a serious mental illness, and if they are not currently sick, the odds are nearly 100% that they eventually will become mentally ill.“
Imhotep

United States

#857 Apr 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
In your case it is the village view of the idiot.
Many atheists hold that atheism is a more parsimonious worldview than theism, and therefore the burden of proof lies not on the atheist to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a rationale for theism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
The New Atheists' Narrow Worldview
http://chronicle.com/article/The-New-Atheists...
Examination of
The Atheist Worldview
U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh District Circuit Court,
Chief Judge: Crabb
Circuit Judges: Bauer, Wood, Williams
Kaufman v. McCaughtry
Document 04-1914; Aug 19,2005.
Prisoners will try anything to get out of jail.
What else to Kaufman have to do really?

Perhaps you missed this ruling, Which is much more significant than Kaufman.

Kitzmiller v. Dover: Intelligent Design on Trial

Highlights from the Kitzmiller Case
Decision in Kitzmiller v. Dover, by Judge John E. Jones, December 20, 2005

Expert testimony by Kevin Padian, professor of paleontology at U.C. Berkeley and President of NCSE's Board of Directors

The word charts from Barbara Forrest's testimony that show replacement of word "creation" with "intelligent design" after the 1987 Edwards v. Aguillard decision.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/intell...

In short you lost the entire school board lost their jobs that is, The only one that survived wasn't up for reelection.

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