Atheist Islamophobia... Again

Atheist Islamophobia... Again

There are 3765 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Apr 9, 2013, titled Atheist Islamophobia... Again. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

Sparked by a Richard Dawkins tweet , in which he drew a parallel between Islamists and Nazis, Nathan Lean recently suggested on Salon.com that the most famous representatives of the new atheism "flirt with" Islamophobia [echoing Chris Stedman's prescient warning to fellow atheists on RD this past August]. As the article explains, Dawkins, Hitchens ... (more)

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Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#737 Apr 25, 2013
swerty wrote:
Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1.400 years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have serious impact on the intelligence, sanity, and health of their offspring, and on their surroundings.

The most famous example of inbreeding is in ancient Egypt, where several Pharaonic dynasties collapsed after lasting for several hundred years. In order to keep wealth and power within the family, the Pharaohs often married their own sisters or half-sisters, and after a handful of generations offspring were mentally and physically unfit to rule. Another historical example is the royal houses of Europe in which royal families often married among themselves because tradition did not allow them to marry people of a non-royal class. The high number of mentally retarded and handicapped members of royalty throughout European history shows the unhealthy consequences of this practice. Fortunately, royal families now allow themselves to marry for love and not just for status
Interesting, thanks for the info!

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#738 Apr 25, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking of immoral:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =2rgSH0h45EoXX
Wow!

That is what Liberals and Obama defend so much as "a great religion" and "peaceful" one!

Satan got them good!

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#739 Apr 25, 2013
Libertarian wrote:
We dont say god doesn't exist.
we are scientists, we know you cant prove a negative.

What atheists generally say is that there is no actual, real, measurable, repeatable, verifiable or documented evidence for a deity's existance therefore they don't believe he exists.

i could write a book full of made up rubbish to control sheeple. Doesn't mean its real.

Why is there no historical note (apart from bibble) about over half the egyptians dying in one night (passover) or no historical note of the dead getting up and walking through Jerusalem in one week.
Not a thing! You'd think somebody would've noticed wouldn't you?
Quantum theory already confirmed God IS real!

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#740 Apr 25, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>ummm...islam is the same god that you worship, fool.

you cult members crack me up...
Allah = Satan

Christian God = Jehovah
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#741 Apr 25, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the random words that had no bearing on my question. Let's try again:
Did the dictators you named kill in the name of atheism or were they Communists who killed in the name of Communism?
Go with door #1

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"The centralized atheism before whose armed might the whole world trembles still hates and fears this unarmed faith as much today as it did sixty years ago. Yes! All the savage persecutions loosed upon our people by a murderous state atheism, coupled with the corroding effect of its lies, and an avalanche of stultifying propaganda--all of these together have proven weaker than the thousand-year-old faith of our nation. This faith has not been destroyed; it remains the most sublime, the most cherished gift to which our lives and consciousness can attain."
Alexander Solzhenitsyn

"The World has never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized and tenaciously malevolent as that preached by Marxism. Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin and at the heart of their psychology, HATRED OF GOD is the principle driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot. To achieve its diabolical ends, Communism needs to control a population devoid of religious and national feeling, and this entails a destruction of faith and nationhood. Communists proclaim both of these objectives openly, and just as openly put them into practice."
(Alexander Solzhenitsyn)

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#742 Apr 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>More of the same ass-behavior.

I have proof your ugly little godling is not real.

No self-respecting god would permit such as YOU to represent it's good name.

None.

Proving to 100% that you are NOT representing ANY god.

At all.

Too Easy--- your god isn't real, because YOU are an ASS.

Simple.
Actually, Quantum Theory ALREADY defined God and quantum mechanics already proven it!!!

Since: Nov 11

Marengo, OH

#743 Apr 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>Yet,
what truly distinguishes atheists from religious people has to do with charitable work.

Sure, plenty of atheists donate time and money to charities and there are probably many working at big charitable organizations. But, atheists do not organize together to build hospitals and schools in the developing world.

There is no atheist equivalent of Samaritan’s Purse, Operation Blessing or Catholic Charities and we do not see atheist organizations providing relief when disaster strikes.

Still atheists remain on threads "doing good work" there :-)
America the most charitable country in the world. That is WHY it is blessed by God.
Lincoln

United States

#745 Apr 25, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the random words that had no bearing on my question. Let's try again:
Did the dictators you named kill in the name of atheism or were they Communists who killed in the name of Communism?
At the beginning, the Communist party had asserted the compatibility of Christianity and Marxism and sought Christian participation in the building of socialism. At first the question of atheism received little official attention.

In the mid-1950s, as the Cold War heated up, atheism became suddenly a topic of major interest for the regime for propaganda purposes, both domestic and foreign.

University chairs and departments devoted to the study of 'scientific atheism':-) were founded and much literature (scholarly and popular) on the subject was produced.

Then this activity rather quickly subsided in the late 1960s amid perceptions that atheistic propaganda was becoming counterproductive; :-) but official and scholarly attention to atheism was renewed beginning in 1973, though this time there was more emphasis on scholarship and the training of cadre than propaganda.

Throughout, attention paid to atheism in East Germany always reflected politics and was never intended to jeopardise the cooperation that was desired from those East Germans who were religious.

US does not trust atheists with political office?
Lincoln

United States

#746 Apr 25, 2013
The Soviet Union was the first atheist state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism.

Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky killed 20 million people under this regime.

Atheism in power, in this situation, enforced the view that atheists can not be trusted with political power.

logical or not, the US rejects atheists candidates for high political office?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#747 Apr 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
At the beginning, the Communist party had asserted the compatibility of Christianity and Marxism and sought Christian participation in the building of socialism. At first the question of atheism received little official attention.
In the mid-1950s, as the Cold War heated up, atheism became suddenly a topic of major interest for the regime for propaganda purposes, both domestic and foreign.
University chairs and departments devoted to the study of 'scientific atheism':-) were founded and much literature (scholarly and popular) on the subject was produced.
Then this activity rather quickly subsided in the late 1960s amid perceptions that atheistic propaganda was becoming counterproductive; :-) but official and scholarly attention to atheism was renewed beginning in 1973, though this time there was more emphasis on scholarship and the training of cadre than propaganda.
Throughout, attention paid to atheism in East Germany always reflected politics and was never intended to jeopardise the cooperation that was desired from those East Germans who were religious.
US does not trust atheists with political office?
I see you have reached the level of "frustrated troll" currently where you realise how ineffective you are here and are now just copying and pasting large chunks of creationist propoganda.

Well at least you are forming some sort of self-awareness.

Atheists converted = 0.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#748 Apr 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
The Soviet Union was the first atheist state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism.
Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky killed 20 million people under this regime.
Atheism in power, in this situation, enforced the view that atheists can not be trusted with political power.
logical or not, the US rejects atheists candidates for high political office?
Atheism = a lack of belief in god.

Please circle the following words in the previous sentence: murder, genocide, mass plagues, curses, russian dictatorship,

Exactly you lying piece of sh*t.

Nobody has ever killed in the name of atheism. Because atheism isn't a name or a belief.

Keep trying creationsh*t troll. I enjoy showing you up again and again.

You make more atheists than any other troll.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#749 Apr 26, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
I respect your opinion about no god.
Remember that you can call the empty place you will dwell after death "heaven" or the nature that formed you "god"!!!
But remember the chances of Israel existing exactly as prophesied in the Bible 2,000 year ago is no coincide!!!
You are NOT a hypocrite Liberal if you do not protect Muslim's god neither.
In my opinion, the place you dwell in after death is called, dirt, for most Americans that think it's the thing to do if they believe or not, but for this one, "me" it's called ashes. I see no reason to clutter up the place with a chunk of granite.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#750 Apr 26, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, Quantum Theory ALREADY defined God and quantum mechanics already proven it!!!
Actually you're talking out of your ass, quantum theory does not prove god at all.

There's no such thing as god. People who believe in god suffer from a mental illness which makes them believe it's ok to lie to people about the origin of the universe with no evidence.

Atheists don't subscribe to religious cults which lie about science and atheists.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#751 Apr 26, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
I respect your opinion about no god.
It's a fact not an opinion.
There's no such thing as god.
Until someone proves that "gods are possible" it will remain that way.
Looking at the history of the earth, nobody has ever done this, so "god is not real" remains a fact, whether human beings suffer from mental illnesses of faith or not.
Lincoln

United States

#752 Apr 26, 2013
They had come to pray.

Terry and Martha were among them, out-of-state visitors attending a business convention at the Westin Copley Place hotel. They walked across the square and into Trinity Church for a few moments of quiet.

“Prayer is a part of my daily life, and praying for others is who I am,” Saunders said, touching her heart.“I do that every day, but I’m especially drawn to this place because of the tragedy.”
For P, who arrived from Virginia on Tuesday when the square remained off-limits, the serenity of the church’s soaring Romanesque interior provided “peace in the middle of a storm, and this was a big one.”

Old South opened its doors at 8 a.m., Trinity at 9 a.m., as the shaken neighborhood ­reclaimed some of the color and bustle of a normal weekday. Tourists and lunch-hour walkers crisscrossed the square, others lay on the lawn to be warmed by the sun, and Red Sox fans hustled to an afternoon game at Fenway Park.
But leaders at both churches knew that normalcy was an illusion. Thousands of people stopped to reflect and gaze at the crosses, notes, and flowers left for the victims at the makeshift memorial, which had been moved from Boylston and Berkeley streets. Knots of onlookers paused throughout the day at two bombing sites on Boylston Street to reflect and to record their visit with photos.
“The Christian bumper sticker, to me, is ‘new life out of death,’ and that is what we’re living right now,” said the Rev. Patrick C. Ward, associate rector at Trinity Church.“Death is never the last word.”

Since: Apr 09

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#753 Apr 26, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
The Soviet Union was the first atheist state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism.
Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky killed 20 million people under this regime.
Atheism in power, in this situation, enforced the view that atheists can not be trusted with political power.
logical or not, the US rejects atheists candidates for high political office?
Thank you for admitting there is absolutely no truth that the communists leaders you named killed in the name of atheism but rather, they killed because they wished to maintain their system of government.

Your original lie is duly noted.

Carry on.
Lincoln

United States

#754 Apr 26, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting there is absolutely no truth that the communists leaders you named killed in the name of atheism but rather, they killed because they wished to maintain their system of government.
Your original lie is duly noted.
Carry on.
Please enroll at a university and share your amusing views on Russian History, communism and atheism with a class and professor.

You seem a bit defensive?

Peace
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#755 Apr 26, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Please enroll at a university and share your amusing views on Russian History, communism and atheism with a class and professor.
You seem a bit defensive?
Peace
, We're smiply wishing to correct your ignorant rants against atheism, as if people could just start believing in sky-fairies.

If you have any 'faith' at all, define your 'creator' and the scientific evidence for such rhubarb. Otherwise it belongs with the other myths....
http://www.godchecker.com/
in history's dustbin.
Lincoln

United States

#756 Apr 26, 2013
evangelical atheist = one who not only believes there is no god or other supreme being, but is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too, usually through hard-line intolerance (the kind they accuse other religions of).

When cornered they usually try to put down their opponent's religion and bash them for 'blind faith', not realizing that their belief that there is no god is no more or less valid or provable than the other guy's belief that there is one.
Amused

Essex, MA

#757 Apr 26, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Kmer Rouge WAS a religion-- it acted >>exactly<< like all religions do-- it murdered any competition.
So you lose your argument.
Again.
Actually, the KR were sort of sui generis. They wanted to build a pure agrarian communist state. So, they did away with money, religion, private ownership of land, the entire education system, anything and anyone who had been part of the former government, down to very minor functionaries. They wanted to essentially dismantle the entire social structure and start over again from scratch. Hence, they referred to the first year of their rule as "Year Zero".

They regarded anyone who grew up in earlier times with suspicion, as potential counter-revolutionaries because they remembered a different society. One of the first groups they slaughtered was the KR troops who owed loyalty to the former king. The king had been deposed in a coup sponsored by the CIA. He formed an alliance with the KR. Each group planned to eliminate the other after they jointly overthrew the US sponsored government. The original KR was much more ruthless than the royalists who joined to support the king, and the royalists were among the first casualties.

They were also ultra-nationalists. Even though the NVA and Viet Kong were also communists, and sent troops to help the KR fight the US backed Lon Nol Government, the KR still hated the Vietnamese.(Hatred of the Vietnamese has long roots in Cambodia, going back centuries. In fact, the usual Cambodian word for Vietnam/Vietnamese, "yuon" also means "barbarian". One of the big points of the current opposition parties is that the PM, Hun Sen, was originally installed by the Vietnamese when they invaded and drove the KR out of power.)

They also hated the US, and were paranoid about possible CIA attempts to overthrow them. No surprise there. Between 1965 and 1973, the US dropped over 2,500,000 tons of ordnance on Cambodia. Just for perspective, during WWII, all of the Allies dropped about 2,000,000 tons of bombs in all theaters, combined. It is even more remarkable when you consider that the US was not even at war with Cambodia during that time. The KR used the bombing, and their own virulently anti-American stance as a recruiting point.

So, crazy as they were, their delusions did not stem from religion. Nor, particularly from Karl Marx, although they claimed to be marxist. While they shared the common idea about ownership of the means of production, Marx would not have recognized much else in their ideas. Given the virulent anti-intellectualism of the KR, it is safe to say that if Marx had lived in Cambodia, the KR would have killed him.

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