Atheist Islamophobia... Again

Atheist Islamophobia... Again

There are 3765 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Apr 9, 2013, titled Atheist Islamophobia... Again. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

Sparked by a Richard Dawkins tweet , in which he drew a parallel between Islamists and Nazis, Nathan Lean recently suggested on Salon.com that the most famous representatives of the new atheism "flirt with" Islamophobia [echoing Chris Stedman's prescient warning to fellow atheists on RD this past August]. As the article explains, Dawkins, Hitchens ... (more)

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Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#613 Apr 20, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
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I understand your point and would've more than happily used Islamic source but I couldn't without someone say I'm trying to convert them or that I'm cherry picking the verses I like.
Trust me, it would've been easier for me to do this.
"O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful." (Quran ch.4, verse 29).
Do you understand what I mean and where I'm coming from now?
It's all in the execution, my dear. There's a difference between clarifying a principle and promoting it, and if you keep the first rule of good writing in mind ("Know your audience"), you should be able to pull it off. In fact, I probably did in the post that you responded to for at least some of this forum's readership even without quoting the sources.

The problem that most Islamic writers make when writing for more general audiences is in assuming greater interest in the fine points of Islam than could possibly exist outside of the faith. Keep it short, sweet, to the point, and accurate, and above all, knock any chips off of your shoulder before beginning to write. When you make it personal, you make yourself vulnerable in so many ways.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#614 Apr 20, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
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Yeah it is. I can say God exists but you can not say God doesn't exist, at all. If God doesn't exist, than prove it.
you cannot prove god exists. in fact, the god of the abrahamic cult has been proven to be a myth.

can you disprove any other god doesn't exist? no, you cannot. that is a logical impossibility.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#615 Apr 20, 2013
ooops, copied off the front page again...

i was sure it switched to last page....
Lincoln

United States

#616 Apr 20, 2013
Evangelical atheists are positive that there is no afterlife
yet they spend that only life on threads trolling..
serfs up

United States

#617 Apr 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you cannot prove god exists. in fact, the god of the abrahamic cult has been proven to be a myth.
can you disprove any other god doesn't exist? no, you cannot. that is a logical impossibility.
what you can prove is people constantly repeat the same atrocities and/or perceived sexual pleasures/perversions to each other throughout history. So thousands of years ago,the world is flooded for this and a couple of cities nuked in religious scripture. With unlimited resources there are limited issues. With limited resources, there are many issues. The only way to even have "equality" is near pure personal responsibility for ones actions on sex. thus libertarian thought must be used and adhered to. However progressive thinking is the result costing anyone who follows traditional decorum massive amounts of money extracted from his wages. So myth talk means nothing if disease and irresponsible acts cause misery as a result of our sexual encounters. Real terrorism has many facets.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#618 Apr 20, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> what you can prove is people constantly repeat the same atrocities and/or perceived sexual pleasures/perversions to each other throughout history. So thousands of years ago,the world is flooded for this and a couple of cities nuked in religious scripture. With unlimited resources there are limited issues. With limited resources, there are many issues. The only way to even have "equality" is near pure personal responsibility for ones actions on sex. thus libertarian thought must be used and adhered to. However progressive thinking is the result costing anyone who follows traditional decorum massive amounts of money extracted from his wages. So myth talk means nothing if disease and irresponsible acts cause misery as a result of our sexual encounters. Real terrorism has many facets.
no, there was no global flood in the timeof humans. proven fact.

your cult lied to you...again...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#619 Apr 20, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Evangelical atheists are positive that there is no afterlife
yet they spend that only life on threads trolling..
if you had the teensiest bit of evidence for a soul or spirit, you would have posted it by now....
Lincoln

United States

#620 Apr 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, there was no global flood in the timeof humans. proven fact.
your cult lied to you...again...
Can you get Canadian Citizenship in Northern Minn.?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#621 Apr 20, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Can you get Canadian Citizenship in Northern Minn.?
"I can see Canada from my house!" I should run for VP..?
Lincoln

United States

#622 Apr 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>"I can see Canada from my house!" I should run for VP..?
cool.
Must be a great place to live.
Have a great day my friend.
serfs up

United States

#623 Apr 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, there was no global flood in the timeof humans. proven fact.
your cult lied to you...again...
Ph uk u azzhole! U spout like a biatch and when u are done many will be dead for your perceived "rights" as the minority has taken control and went insane with power. You are your own worse enemies and will be hunted down to the ends of the earth when most are financially devastated. You talk so smart but yet are controlled by your own self desires to the point that there would be very little left of the world without responsible actions and behaviors. And it was bad enough before people like you enlightened the rest of the population.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#624 Apr 20, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Ph uk u azzhole! U spout like a biatch and when u are done many will be dead for your perceived "rights" as the minority has taken control and went insane with power. You are your own worse enemies and will be hunted down to the ends of the earth when most are financially devastated. You talk so smart but yet are controlled by your own self desires to the point that there would be very little left of the world without responsible actions and behaviors. And it was bad enough before people like you enlightened the rest of the population.
Allll righty then...

try having a point sometimes...
serfs up

United States

#625 Apr 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Allll righty then...
try having a point sometimes...
the point has been there. the abuses are on your end. And watching the police state tactics over two men who were not paid attention to because of political correctness in boston and the added mantra that I do not trust my government is proof enough of the failure of your beliefs coming. Your unabated drive thinking sexual rights is tantamount over human rights is our demise. Watching a president who hides islamic beliefs and pushed an anything goes domestic agenda is our death knell. You need tomspeak up. But not to me. for I have no power, but warnings. And we know how that goes.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#626 Apr 20, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> the point has been there. the abuses are on your end. And watching the police state tactics over two men who were not paid attention to because of political correctness in boston and the added mantra that I do not trust my government is proof enough of the failure of your beliefs coming. Your unabated drive thinking sexual rights is tantamount over human rights is our demise. Watching a president who hides islamic beliefs and pushed an anything goes domestic agenda is our death knell. You need tomspeak up. But not to me. for I have no power, but warnings. And we know how that goes.
you are living in a fantasy world, you need mental counseling, and pronto...
serfs up

United States

#627 Apr 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you are living in a fantasy world, you need mental counseling, and pronto...
Typical progressive Alinsky speak from a false libertarian bullcrap artist. America is going down baby..with our approval..

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#628 Apr 20, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
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I hate to tell you this, but your dead from the neck up.If you don't know what a Christmas goose is, and then you have the audacity to tell me about why all of the crap has been happening in the mid-east.
For one thing, in Egypt the Imman's were losing their power over the population's. Then the zealots who agreed with them and wanted a real islamic state took to the street's forced out the President and installed there own man, and like now in Egypt again the people against the islamic brotherhood, have taken to the street and the two sides are now once again killing each other. It's the search for islamic power and control over the populations that has started the mid-east turmoil.
Libya and Syria, Tunisa, Iraq, Afghanistan! There are more different factions with their own brand of islam, fighting not only the government's but also among themselves.
There will never be a khalifah in the mid-east the sunni's and the shia's hate each other too much.
I don't know how old you are but your really very immature. Gee, do you think that the two brothers in Ma. were seeking inner peace? A lot of people maimed and killed so they could tell the world how wonderful it was being a muslim. OH! 9 dead dozens injured in Iraq at a mosque today, just another sign of all of the love in islam. Wake up little girl! Inner peace my ***.
Fine don't tell me what a Christmas goose is.
What do you mean Imams were losing their power over the people in Egypt? Before the revolution a lot of mosques were closed and only opened in Ramadan because of the government. "Then the zealots who agreed with them and wanted a real islamic state took to the street's forced out the President and installed there own man." That is a statement of pure ignorance. You make it sound like Muammar Gaddafi was a hero who was wrongly kicked out of office. smh.
Second, the Muslim brotherhood is just using Islam to get into the office (they don't represent Islam in anyway), just like republicans use Jesus. It's a good political move if you want to go into office.
third, I agree with you that there won't be a Khalifah, and it's not because of one sect hating another.
And lastly, we already discussed whether or not Islam teaches suicide bombing.
Also, at first I thought you were an intelligent person who could disagree with someone in a respectful way but I guess not. So you can go and be disrespectful to someone else because I will not be talking to you any longer an till you change your ways.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#629 Apr 20, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
It's all in the execution, my dear. There's a difference between clarifying a principle and promoting it, and if you keep the first rule of good writing in mind ("Know your audience"), you should be able to pull it off. In fact, I probably did in the post that you responded to for at least some of this forum's readership even without quoting the sources.
The problem that most Islamic writers make when writing for more general audiences is in assuming greater interest in the fine points of Islam than could possibly exist outside of the faith. Keep it short, sweet, to the point, and accurate, and above all, knock any chips off of your shoulder before beginning to write. When you make it personal, you make yourself vulnerable in so many ways.
I agree except with two things.
"The problem that most Islamic writers make when writing for more general audiences is in assuming greater interest in the fine points of Islam than could possibly exist outside of the faith."
I think the mistake they make and I have made in the past is to think that they know anything about Islam, other than what they heard in the media.
"knock any chips off of your shoulder before beginning to write."
I don't have any. if I did, I don't think I would be able to be so patient with some of the ignorant people on here.
Lincoln

United States

#630 Apr 20, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree except with two things.
"The problem that most Islamic writers make when writing for more general audiences is in assuming greater interest in the fine points of Islam than could possibly exist outside of the faith."
I think the mistake they make and I have made in the past is to think that they know anything about Islam, other than what they heard in the media.
"knock any chips off of your shoulder before beginning to write."
I don't have any. if I did, I don't think I would be able to be so patient with some of the ignorant people on here.
interesting post, thanks

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#631 Apr 20, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree except with two things.
"The problem that most Islamic writers make when writing for more general audiences is in assuming greater interest in the fine points of Islam than could possibly exist outside of the faith."
I think the mistake they make and I have made in the past is to think that they know anything about Islam, other than what they heard in the media.
"knock any chips off of your shoulder before beginning to write."
I don't have any. if I did, I don't think I would be able to be so patient with some of the ignorant people on here.
rather arrogant as you really haven't offered anything more than a very basic understanding of Islam. far less than most atheists have of it...

I haven't seen one example where you using too much information worked as you said...in fact, you have really only given the amount and kind of understanding of islam one WOULD get from basic media sources...like maybe that's where you got it...
EASY MONEY

Thailand

#632 Apr 20, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
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Fine don't tell me what a Christmas goose is.
What do you mean Imams were losing their power over the people in Egypt? Before the revolution a lot of mosques were closed and only opened in Ramadan because of the government. "Then the zealots who agreed with them and wanted a real islamic state took to the street's forced out the President and installed there own man." That is a statement of pure ignorance. You make it sound like Muammar Gaddafi was a hero who was wrongly kicked out of office. smh.
Second, the Muslim brotherhood is just using Islam to get into the office (they don't represent Islam in anyway), just like republicans use Jesus. It's a good political move if you want to go into office.
third, I agree with you that there won't be a Khalifah, and it's not because of one sect hating another.
And lastly, we already discussed whether or not Islam teaches suicide bombing.
Also, at first I thought you were an intelligent person who could disagree with someone in a respectful way but I guess not. So you can go and be disrespectful to someone else because I will not be talking to you any longer an till you change your ways.
There is no reward for stupidity!!! The muslim brotherhood is a cult within a cult, they want shiria(sp) law for all of the middle east. They are trying to get into the political arena in every muslim country. So the B H in Egypt installed there own member and if he isn't careful he might soon be out on his fat ass, its not working out too good for them. Yes, mosques were closed, why because the general population was not going to them and seeing that the government was footing the bill for them, they closed them. Governments around the world close things not being used.
Gaddafi was a saint compared to the rabble trying to run the country today, he brought order to a bunch of uneducated, goat herders, and before you say otherwise, I have been to Lybia, I have seen what rabble populates the country. Been to Egypt also as soon as you get off the plane you can smell the place and it ain't good. A little soap and water would work wonders in most muslim countries.
Yes it is the reason that muslims will never unite they hate each other too much. Here's how muslims think and feel, first comes religion, then family, then sect, then clan and the very last thing on their list of important things, is country. Most walk around with their head locked into thinking that there is something better when they die, it's too bad that one of the fools can't come back and tell the truth, but when your dead, well that's all there is. Try to get a grip on reality all you do is talk trash.
It's a little early here and I need a cup or two of coffee so I haven't checked how many muslims killed each other yet today.

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