Atheist Islamophobia... Again

Atheist Islamophobia... Again

There are 3766 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Apr 9, 2013, titled Atheist Islamophobia... Again. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

Sparked by a Richard Dawkins tweet , in which he drew a parallel between Islamists and Nazis, Nathan Lean recently suggested on Salon.com that the most famous representatives of the new atheism "flirt with" Islamophobia [echoing Chris Stedman's prescient warning to fellow atheists on RD this past August]. As the article explains, Dawkins, Hitchens ... (more)

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Since: Apr 13

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#510 Apr 19, 2013
"Anyone with an open mind--one that is ready to change when evidence and logic require it--can do the same, just as we can in life off of the net."
I am open minded. Why else would I be here? I could be on Islam topix with like minded individuals. but I am here with not only people who don't share the same believe as me but also don't know anything about it.
At least those who are truthful will tell you don't know much about Islam or Muslims.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#511 Apr 19, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
"The appeal to authority often leads to what is called "cherry-picking," which means seeking out only sources that support one's point of view."
How am I cherry "picking," When I present you with the leading expert on Suicide? That's "cherry Picking?"
He has the worlds largest date base on suicide bombers, yet that's "cherry picking."
I pick the number one expert. Not the one I like. Not a Muslim on. But someone who is a leader in their field. Tell me how that is "cherry picking?"
How did you find this "expert"? How did you decide that he is the "number one expert"? Did you perchance look at Riaz Hassan's worK?

Scott Atran's ("Whereas they once primarily consisted of organized campaigns by militarily weak forces aiming to end the perceived occupation of their homeland, as argued by University of Chicago political scientist Robert Pape in Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,5 suicide attacks today serve as banner actions for a thoroughly modern, global diaspora inspired by religion and claiming the role of vanguard for a massive, media-driven transnational political awakening.")?

Adam Lankford's? Sreedhara Menon's? How about Robert Kurz and Charles Bartles?

Etcetera...

No, you settled on a single source and cited it as the "number one," the implication being that anyone who disagreed with it had to be wrong because they were less knowledgeable.

That's cherry-picking as a result of reliance on argumentation from authority.

In your defensiveness, you sound very young, very quick to take criticism personally and react without thinking the possibility that it offers insights that could be of value to you. That's a mistake. Criticism can be a impetus for growth for mature thinkers. Why not take a step back, retreat from the fray of battle/debate, and take a look at resources that could aid in your intellectual growth? In forums such as this, one often learns more from adversaries than from friends.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#512 Apr 19, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
"Anyone with an open mind--one that is ready to change when evidence and logic require it--can do the same, just as we can in life off of the net."
I am open minded. Why else would I be here? I could be on Islam topix with like minded individuals. but I am here with not only people who don't share the same believe as me but also don't know anything about it.
At least those who are truthful will tell you don't know much about Islam or Muslims.
yet some of us DO know about Islam. we are the ones that can see you are not open minded about it. when confronted with parts about your cult you do not like, you just run away. people of most cults do the same...
Lincoln

United States

#513 Apr 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I cannot agree-- the reason is this.
The bible is not based on anything concrete-- it's all mumbo-jumbo.
As such, if they really wanted to, they could easily CHANGE it to match what they preach.
They do not.
Thus? They worship it as a god or something.
And that? Their refusal to change the bible?
Is why they are guilty of any and all evil that it inspires.
It would be different, if each group had it's own version of the bible, one that actually SAID what they SAY it says...
atheist mumbo-jumbo is superior.
Atheist zealots and Christians zealots seem sooo much alike.
Both like mumbo-jumbo, seem intolerant of criticism and lack a sense of humor.
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You supported Obama and so did I ...scary in a way

"Scratch an atheist and out pops an agnostic" seems a valid adage of old.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#514 Apr 19, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
atheist mumbo-jumbo is superior.
Atheist zealots and Christians zealots seem sooo much alike.
Both like mumbo-jumbo, seem intolerant of criticism and lack a sense of humor.
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You supported Obama and so did I ...scary in a way
"Scratch an atheist and out pops an agnostic" seems a valid adage of old.
What is this atheist mumbo jumbo? i haven't heard any of it...

yet that adage isn't old and it is proven false. why do you keep lying about others? have you no morals?

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#515 Apr 19, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
How did you find this "expert"? How did you decide that he is the "number one expert"? Did you perchance look at Riaz Hassan's worK?
Scott Atran's ("Whereas they once primarily consisted of organized campaigns by militarily weak forces aiming to end the perceived occupation of their homeland, as argued by University of Chicago political scientist Robert Pape in Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,5 suicide attacks today serve as banner actions for a thoroughly modern, global diaspora inspired by religion and claiming the role of vanguard for a massive, media-driven transnational political awakening.")?
Adam Lankford's? Sreedhara Menon's? How about Robert Kurz and Charles Bartles?
Etcetera...
No, you settled on a single source and cited it as the "number one," the implication being that anyone who disagreed with it had to be wrong because they were less knowledgeable.
That's cherry-picking as a result of reliance on argumentation from authority.
In your defensiveness, you sound very young, very quick to take criticism personally and react without thinking the possibility that it offers insights that could be of value to you. That's a mistake. Criticism can be a impetus for growth for mature thinkers. Why not take a step back, retreat from the fray of battle/debate, and take a look at resources that could aid in your intellectual growth? In forums such as this, one often learns more from adversaries than from friends.
You know what, just go look him up if you don't believe me.
And yes, I have read other works by experts, but I chose him because he spent a lot of time collecting data. He also has the larges data base in suicide bombing. Like I said before.
Also, Richard Dawkins agrees that he is an expert, I thought that he would be good enough for you.
Lincoln

United States

#516 Apr 19, 2013
Two types of Atheists

1. The live and let live atheists who don't shove their opinions down any ones throat. These people have social lives.

2. The arrogant, intolerant trolls who spend all day long bitching and trolling on threads. They often talk about reason and logic but lack the logic to realize that no one is being persuaded by their amusing mumbo-jumbo.
Lincoln

United States

#517 Apr 19, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what, just go look him up if you don't believe me.
And yes, I have read other works by experts, but I chose him because he spent a lot of time collecting data. He also has the larges data base in suicide bombing. Like I said before.
Also, Richard Dawkins agrees that he is an expert, I thought that he would be good enough for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =U0Xn60Zw03AXX
Dr Richard Dawkins sells a lot of books.
I tend to believe you. Peace
Crusader

Dover, DE

#518 Apr 19, 2013
What a disgusting religion

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#519 Apr 19, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Two types of Atheists
1. The live and let live atheists who don't shove their opinions down any ones throat. These people have social lives.
2. The arrogant, intolerant trolls who spend all day long bitching and trolling on threads. They often talk about reason and logic but lack the logic to realize that no one is being persuaded by their amusing mumbo-jumbo.
you're just sore because you can[t push you illogical crap pat thinking people... i'm sure the cult mentality people suck you shit up like manna, but not rational people.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#520 Apr 19, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Dr Richard Dawkins sells a lot of books.
I tend to believe you. Peace
Well, it's someone they respect. Maybe hear him say the guy is creditable well make them see that he is an expert.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#521 Apr 19, 2013
Crusader wrote:
What a disgusting religion
which one?
Lincoln

United States

#522 Apr 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you're just sore because you can[t push you illogical crap pat thinking people... i'm sure the cult mentality people suck you shit up like manna, but not rational people.
Interested in Philosophy, Geography and Archaeology.
If you find a cult in Philosophy, Geography and Archaeology let us know.
TruthIs

United States

#523 Apr 19, 2013
Crusader wrote:
What a disgusting religion
The continuation of POLITICAL cold war like corruption of benevolently crude and evile, rudimentary low level, anarchial, with out ethics or decency, OWS type, ego-power tripping radicalizing, vermin plague spreading, at anyone elses costs, freedoms and lives, "worshippers"?

I would agree.

TruthIs

United States

#524 Apr 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>which one?
The continuation of POLITICAL cold war like corruption of benevolently crude and evile, rudimentary low level, anarchial, with out ethics or decency, OWS type, ego-power tripping radicalizing, vermin plague spreading, at anyone elses costs, freedoms and lives, "worshippers"?

Needs an acronymn.

Vile beasts should suffice.
TruthIs

United States

#525 Apr 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>which one?
edit-add inhumane and hatefilled somewhere amongst all that.
TruthIs

United States

#526 Apr 19, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Interested in Philosophy, Geography and Archaeology.
If you find a cult in Philosophy, Geography and Archaeology let us know.
:-)

Add peaceful in front of "cult"!(and geology is pretty cool too!)
Lincoln

United States

#527 Apr 19, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, it's someone they respect. Maybe hear him say the guy is creditable well make them see that he is an expert.
Many people are Islamic and few do harm. Same for atheists and Christians.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#528 Apr 19, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what, just go look him up if you don't believe me.
And yes, I have read other works by experts, but I chose him because he spent a lot of time collecting data. He also has the larges data base in suicide bombing. Like I said before.
Also, Richard Dawkins agrees that he is an expert, I thought that he would be good enough for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =U0Xn60Zw03AXX
Argument from authority is NEVER good enough for me. Pape's studies are good, but when he ventures into the realm of personal opinion, he is as fallible as anyone, including Dawkins. Following the development of a phenomenon like suicide bombing is not about letting one group off the hook by pointing at another, nor are diverse groups comparable in terms of tactics and aims.

You have to look at the whole picture, that's true, but separate parts of that picture don't always connect neatly and cleanly as though they were pieces of a puzzle. Real life is messy, and simple approaches to understanding it almost alway fail. Raising Pape like a battle flag with Dawkins' alongside it reflects a shallow approach to analysis, one based on the need to win a debate, not on the desire to increase your understanding.

I'm criticizing your posts for a reason, and it's not to "win." I see in you a potentially fine mind beheld back by its preconceptions. I want you to grow. To do that, you have to look at the world with you mind's eyes not hindered with glasses tinted with assumptions that you refuse to question, that fails to see the whole due to a focus that has become tunnel vision.

To gain the best view of reality, let go of the need to be right.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#529 Apr 19, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Interested in Philosophy, Geography and Archaeology.
If you find a cult in Philosophy, Geography and Archaeology let us know.
you sure support and push the religious cults...

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