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#41 Dec 3, 2010
Redneck, do you often try and get people to CONVERT you on here? lol.

“ecrasez l'infame”

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#42 Dec 3, 2010
Janine for Truth wrote:
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i guess for a lot of the reasons Atheists go on Christian Forums. But mainly because I like to know what goes through the mind of Atheists.
Just a quick question -- do you see many atheists on christian forums?

Before answering, we all tend to forget that the Topix roboblogger often posts threads in multiple forums. So, you might be seeing a thread in the christian forum which I see in the atheist forum. Neither of us would necessarily know that the other was not in the same forum.

You can tell when a thread has been posted across forums because the bottom of each page will indicate thes other forums of interest.

The one you are currently in ("Death") was just posted in the Atheist forum.

So, please, I would not be so rude as to butt in to any Christian forum, but I am curious as to how rampant atheists are in those threads.

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#43 Dec 3, 2010
MaceyMace wrote:
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Believe what you want lol I couldn't give a shit.
Constipated?

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#44 Dec 4, 2010
redneck wrote:
<quoted text>Rational thinking.
I agree. Curiosity about the world & people around you is always a good thing.

Janine- I was wondering how your dad would feel about the catholic tradition of a bride saying a prayer to a statue of Mary before her wedding. I've seen it happen at every catholic wedding I've been to. I was also raised catholic.

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#45 Dec 7, 2010
Andie J wrote:
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I agree. Curiosity about the world & people around you is always a good thing.
Janine- I was wondering how your dad would feel about the catholic tradition of a bride saying a prayer to a statue of Mary before her wedding. I've seen it happen at every catholic wedding I've been to. I was also raised catholic.
he didnt believe in any of that-saying it was unbiblical. and my father was a bad man...you know the type of bad guy where certain things are wrong and that is all. he is long dead, was buried in the catholic church he grew up in but died an unbeliever in that system.

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#46 Dec 7, 2010
Hedonist wrote:
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Just a quick question -- do you see many atheists on christian forums?
Before answering, we all tend to forget that the Topix roboblogger often posts threads in multiple forums. So, you might be seeing a thread in the christian forum which I see in the atheist forum. Neither of us would necessarily know that the other was not in the same forum.
You can tell when a thread has been posted across forums because the bottom of each page will indicate thes other forums of interest.
The one you are currently in ("Death") was just posted in the Atheist forum.
So, please, I would not be so rude as to butt in to any Christian forum, but I am curious as to how rampant atheists are in those threads.
in the same way i am naturally curious to see what the atheists are saying,you get atheists that just wanna be on christian threads, cussing out people's faith (some), some just debating, some wanting proof etc. but i havent found it an intrusion, since this is an open forum.

do you have a problem with me being here

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#47 Dec 7, 2010
MaceyMace wrote:
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But all you have done is state what YOU believe. You haven't really commented on what goes through anyone else's mind?
5000 posts later on topix, i learned one thing: its useless to argue with atheists, because i believe, and they dont. therefore there is no common ground, on which to start a hypothesis. i will constantly be quoting my beliefs since its based on faith and not the kind of evidence you seek. ANd the atheist believes in none of that. all thats left is the opportunity to 'name call' which is what i see a lot of.

i can respect the fact that you dont believe. thats finish. im not here to convince anybody of anything. just observing....

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#48 Dec 7, 2010
Janine for Truth wrote:
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5000 posts later on topix, i learned one thing: its useless to argue with atheists, because i believe, and they dont. therefore there is no common ground, on which to start a hypothesis. i will constantly be quoting my beliefs since its based on faith and not the kind of evidence you seek. ANd the atheist believes in none of that. all thats left is the opportunity to 'name call' which is what i see a lot of.
i can respect the fact that you dont believe. thats finish. im not here to convince anybody of anything. just observing....
I'm not personally trying to argue with you but this thread was about what Atheists believe happens after death..? Your posts had nothing to do with that they were all just about you and your relationship with religion which is a different topic.

Do you have any comments on what Atheists believe happens after death?

“ecrasez l'infame”

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#49 Dec 7, 2010
Janine for Truth wrote:
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in the same way i am naturally curious to see what the atheists are saying,you get atheists that just wanna be on christian threads, cussing out people's faith (some), some just debating, some wanting proof etc. but i havent found it an intrusion, since this is an open forum.
do you have a problem with me being here
Not unless you start preaching. Other than that, welcome.

But again...do you see many atheists in christian specific threads?

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#50 Dec 7, 2010
In fairness I am atheist and go to Jehovah's Witness threads, but I have explained that throughout this thread.

“ecrasez l'infame”

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#51 Dec 7, 2010
Janine for Truth wrote:
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in the same way i am naturally curious to see what the atheists are saying,you get atheists that just wanna be on christian threads, cussing out people's faith (some), some just debating, some wanting proof etc. but i havent found it an intrusion, since this is an open forum.
do you have a problem with me being here
I'm not too sure that watching conversations on these atheism threads within Topix is a fair way to understand what most atheists are saying.

We tend to get the more fundamentalist type of christian and that doesn't exactly bring out our better nature.(Not that I think by any stretch of the imagination that this defines all christians.)

We see far and away too many trolls and sock puppets here, so we are always skeptical of new avatar.

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#52 Dec 7, 2010
Is that why someone was putting sock puppets up for me? I don't even know what that means? lol!

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#53 Dec 7, 2010
ha ha ha, just looked it up... Did you all think I was a faker!? lol I AM SO NOT A FAKER!!

“ecrasez l'infame”

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#54 Dec 7, 2010
MaceyMace wrote:
ha ha ha, just looked it up... Did you all think I was a faker!? lol I AM SO NOT A FAKER!!
But we see so many. You are the exception, not the rule.

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#55 Dec 10, 2010
I am exceptional Lol.

“Eagle eye”

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#56 Dec 13, 2010
Hedonist wrote:
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I'm not too sure that watching conversations on these atheism threads within Topix is a fair way to understand what most atheists are saying.
We tend to get the more fundamentalist type of christian and that doesn't exactly bring out our better nature.(Not that I think by any stretch of the imagination that this defines all christians.)
We see far and away too many trolls and sock puppets here, so we are always skeptical of new avatar.
so you guys believe that once a person dies thats it...nothing more. just decomposition of the natural parts....

an ex agnostic friend of mine explained his version of heaven and heall. he believed and i think, still believes, that when you die, the mental state you die in determines whether your heaven or your hell. For eg, if you were a father that never supported your kids and beat your wife up, when you die, if all of a sudden on your death bed you begin to grow a conscience, and are filled with regret, knowing that its too late to make ammends to those you hurt, then you die in that sorry state, you will die out your last moment, your last thought, your last feeling in misery (hell). my friend thinks that that one second of your life is your dying thought and while he believes there is nothing beyond that, that one second becomes eternity as your last emotions, are etched into your memory, but thats all that is.

THat his take on heaven and hell. I dont know about that, cos his explanation suggests that a lot depends on whether you were a good or bad person, but with a concience. What if i was a bad bad person, in whatever sense of the word, but had no conscience about anything-the way i live, the things i do, nothing. and to the day i die, im quite chuffed with myself as a human being, i dont get any death bed feelings of regret, i die just as happy a bad person as i lived. if my conscience never kicks in, does that mean i am going to heaven, because my last moments were just as wonderful as ever.

my issue is this with this whole life and death argument...if thats the case(as above) we can then just live as rotten as we want to, not giving a damn about anything. and there is no consequence of our action,not in life (unless our badness is a criminal offence upon which we can be jailed...but what if its not) and certainly not in death. if that is so, is our guarantee of death the ultimate punishment or consequence of a life lived...whether good or bad, serving of self serving. Is that just it...? if yes, then why does the good get the same punishment as the bad. which takes us right back to what i said above,,,why bother trying to live well, if at the end the road is the same for everyone: Death, the final frontier?

and for this very reason, i cannot except that death is the end of it all.

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#57 Dec 13, 2010
I think the point is that as an Atheist, I don't need God or fear to be a good person, I just am. I am not in it for a reward, i just feel that life is nicer for me when I am nice to other people. If I were to upset or hurt someone (which don't get me wrong, I have at times) I lose sleep over it until I can make amends... sometimes you can put things right, sometimes you can't and that is something you just have to learn to live with.

So you ask, what is the point of trying to be good if there is no reward..? To me the being good IS the reward. I by no means lead a squeaky clean life but I love and am loved and I think that is the most important thing to me. I'd say I was about two thirds up Maslow's hierarchy. If you can achieve self actualisation, maybe THAT in itself is Heaven?

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#58 Dec 14, 2010
MaceyMace wrote:
I think the point is that as an Atheist, I don't need God or fear to be a good person, I just am. I am not in it for a reward, i just feel that life is nicer for me when I am nice to other people. If I were to upset or hurt someone (which don't get me wrong, I have at times) I lose sleep over it until I can make amends... sometimes you can put things right, sometimes you can't and that is something you just have to learn to live with.
So you ask, what is the point of trying to be good if there is no reward..? To me the being good IS the reward. I by no means lead a squeaky clean life but I love and am loved and I think that is the most important thing to me. I'd say I was about two thirds up Maslow's hierarchy. If you can achieve self actualisation, maybe THAT in itself is Heaven?
if there is nothing of after death, then life may be the only thing that matters. if we disappear into obscurity after we die, it suggests to me that nothing we did in life matters at all. since good or bad, we ended up in the same place. then death seems an unfair thing for me.it leaves me asking: why am i here then? if nothing i do in this life makes any effect on my end?

or is it that me who lived good as i could, will die with smiling family members at my bedsie? NO. i could die in a horrible crash, my body dispelled from the vehicle and eaten by wild animals. Even the way I die, doesnt seem to matter. There are no guarantees. Its important to me to believe that there is life after death or else all the unfairness of life just makes no sense. if there death is nothing and there is nothing after death, then why live, why have the experience, what is it all for? to love, to live, to cry, to experience joy, sadness, anger, disappointment, fear, pity-all these human emotions. a sun shiny morning, the birth of a child, the kindness of a stranger...for what? what good is it all, if i wont remember a thing of it afterward, if it becomes as if it never existed. as if i never existed. saying that there is nothing after death, to me,makes life pointless.

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#59 Dec 14, 2010
That's where you differ from me... I think all of those things you describe are the point in living. If you are just in it in the hope of some kind of reward, to me that makes you kind of shallow. Religion does the opposite of what it's supposed to... makes people self righteous and full of themselves instead of just being good and caring for the sake of being good. So what if you can't remember everything after you die? You won't know so why would it matter?

What are your thoughts about a wildebeest that get it's throat ripped out by a lion? What is the point to their lives?

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#60 Dec 14, 2010
MaceyMace wrote:
That's where you differ from me... I think all of those things you describe are the point in living. If you are just in it in the hope of some kind of reward, to me that makes you kind of shallow. Religion does the opposite of what it's supposed to... makes people self righteous and full of themselves instead of just being good and caring for the sake of being good. So what if you can't remember everything after you die? You won't know so why would it matter?
What are your thoughts about a wildebeest that get it's throat ripped out by a lion? What is the point to their lives?
you keep saying reward, im not. i am saying...what is the point of living if it will all die with me. if i wont remember the fine moments in life coupled with the sad. if i cant remember my humanity, why live it. yes my kids will remember me, the stranger i helped across the road, but then they die too, and remember nothing, and nothing happens after death. I wont know yes, but then life doesnt matter. it seems better i never lived, to me anyway.

my personal belief is that animals do not have spirits, so I believe there is nothing after death for them. Icould be wrong, but that what i believe.

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