Just Steve

Lakewood, OH

#425 Feb 6, 2011
People have fear and doubt about relocating, a career change, flying, driving on ice, the list goes on and on. These are things we all know and have lived with, yet they instill fear within us. Are you trying to tell me that the concept of death, which we literally know nothing about, comes in second place in the fear department compared to the above items? That a person can have a fear of, let's say, flying, but none what so ever of death, a completely unknown experience, is ludicrous. I stand by my original statement. Everyone's afraid of death.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#426 Feb 6, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I really don't think they are. If you were held at gunpoint with your life on the line, would you simply grin and say something like, " Oh well, I guess my run is over.", and simply accept the fact that your life is about to end? Or would you be pleading and screaming, begging for your life? I know I'd be in the latter category, no matter what my beliefs are, and I think you would too. Unless you are Beeg Strong Man who is afraid of nothing...
Don't confuse loving life with fearing death.
Just Steve

Lakewood, OH

#427 Feb 6, 2011
LowellGuy wrote:
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Don't confuse loving life with fearing death.
I don't believe I have.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Strawberry Plains, TN

#428 Feb 6, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
People have fear and doubt about relocating, a career change, flying, driving on ice, the list goes on and on. These are things we all know and have lived with, yet they instill fear within us. Are you trying to tell me that the concept of death, which we literally know nothing about, comes in second place in the fear department compared to the above items? That a person can have a fear of, let's say, flying, but none what so ever of death, a completely unknown experience, is ludicrous. I stand by my original statement. Everyone's afraid of death.
Obviously, I can't speak for anyone else, but my approaching decline and death fills me with sadness, not fear. I love life and would happily live forever if I could. At sixty, my death is probably still decades in the future, but its reality is much more tangible than it was ten years ago. So I write and sing and dance and run and ride my bike and romance the ladies as much as I can because even the decades now left to me seem short.

I wish that I could survive death in one of the many ways fantasized in books and movies and religious tomes, but not so much that I can willingly cede my grasp of reality. I intend to spend the rest of my days free from such delusions, and I will certainly not invest time in any of them that could be spent on more rewarding pursuits.

I don't fear my own death. But, sometimes during quiet moments, I do grieve.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#429 Feb 6, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe I have.
What you believe is suspect, as you also believe that you know everyone's minds better than they do, and better than anybody else.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#430 Feb 6, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
People have fear and doubt about relocating, a career change, flying, driving on ice, the list goes on and on. These are things we all know and have lived with, yet they instill fear within us. Are you trying to tell me that the concept of death, which we literally know nothing about, comes in second place in the fear department compared to the above items? That a person can have a fear of, let's say, flying, but none what so ever of death, a completely unknown experience, is ludicrous. I stand by my original statement. Everyone's afraid of death.
And I have seen proof that statement is not true. It is obvious that you know very little about humans. And I say again you cannot speak for any one else.

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#431 Feb 7, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
People have fear and doubt about relocating, a career change, flying, driving on ice, the list goes on and on. These are things we all know and have lived with, yet they instill fear within us. Are you trying to tell me that the concept of death, which we literally know nothing about, comes in second place in the fear department compared to the above items? That a person can have a fear of, let's say, flying, but none what so ever of death, a completely unknown experience, is ludicrous. I stand by my original statement. Everyone's afraid of death.
YOU, Sir, may be afraid of death. It seems from your words that is abundantly clear. Project as much as you like, it still does not mean, however, that other people share your terror of the unknown. BTW, being dead is not unknown it's just the same as before you were concieved. You've already done that, it didn't hurt at all did it? Let me tell you, I'm not afraid of being dead. I am afraid of some possible ways of dying, however. That is not the same thing at all. For example I am not enamoured of the idea of burning to death. I don't do pain if it can be at all avoided. However, dying in my sleep does not scare me at all. I'm also not in favour of some of the options for staying alive that society sometimes forces on us. I have had several relatives and friends die from things like Alzheimer's disease. The last period before they died was not pleasant for them or for those around them. In their case death was a welcome end to their suffering, unfortunately society would not allow us to assist these people in their hour of need. No one was afraid to actually die there, but some were afraid of continuing to live without their dignity. So once again your simple one dimensional view of death fails the reality test. No surprise there then.

“Pay it forward!”

Since: Oct 09

Harrisburg

#432 Feb 8, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I really don't think they are. If you were held at gunpoint with your life on the line, would you simply grin and say something like, " Oh well, I guess my run is over.", and simply accept the fact that your life is about to end? Or would you be pleading and screaming, begging for your life? I know I'd be in the latter category, no matter what my beliefs are, and I think you would too. Unless you are Beeg Strong Man who is afraid of nothing...
Actually, I think I would simply say, "Whatever ... If you need to shoot me, eh, go for it. It'd be rather stupid on your part since you'll probably go to jail for life, but, whatever. It's your life, or your life sentence."

(I've always been the type to help people get or stay out of trouble ...)

Now, when my children were young, I may have felt differently, but not because of a fear of dying - I just didn't want my ex & his wife raising my kids.

Do you have a Living Will? Does it include a DNR Order at some point in your condition? Or do you want your family to agonize over your lingering? Or perhaps you have an affinity for nursing homes & lots of tubes into your flesh ...
Just Steve

Lakewood, OH

#433 Feb 13, 2011
Actually, I think I would simply say, "Whatever ... If you need to shoot me, eh, go for it. It'd be rather stupid on your part since you'll probably go to jail for life, but, whatever. It's your life, or your life sentence."
Actually, this is pure crap.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#434 Feb 13, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
Actually, I think I would simply say, "Whatever ... If you need to shoot me, eh, go for it. It'd be rather stupid on your part since you'll probably go to jail for life, but, whatever. It's your life, or your life sentence."
Actually, this is pure crap.
Yeah we know. Every human being on earth is an open book to you. There is no way -YOU- could be wrong, your life experience and study of humanity tells you, that you alone know all. LOL!

In this day of instant answers via the net, a quick search of 100 survivor statements, will reveal 100 different stories of how they handled vicious attackers. Some felt fear, some just rage, some froze and some felt wonder as to why me, etc.

It is the same with death, many have watched others die. Doctors, nurses, family, clergy, murderers, complete strangers, ask and you will hear differing accounts of those last moments.

Are you one of those people who can never admit, when they are wrong?
Just Steve

Lakewood, OH

#435 Feb 13, 2011
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah we know. Every human being on earth is an open book to you. There is no way -YOU- could be wrong, your life experience and study of humanity tells you, that you alone know all. LOL!
In this day of instant answers via the net, a quick search of 100 survivor statements, will reveal 100 different stories of how they handled vicious attackers. Some felt fear, some just rage, some froze and some felt wonder as to why me, etc.
It is the same with death, many have watched others die. Doctors, nurses, family, clergy, murderers, complete strangers, ask and you will hear differing accounts of those last moments.
Are you one of those people who can never admit, when they are wrong?
My basic premise is there is an inherent fear of death in all people. I find it very hard to swallow that some people, yourself included, profess to have no dread of death whatsoever in your lifetime. Did you somehow make it through childhood, a period rampant with the horrors of an overactive imagination, without the fear that "something" was going to get you during the night? Were you immune to the scary stories that all children are fond of telling? This is what I'm referring to, not particularly your view of death in the present. For someone to unequivocally state that at no point in their life were they ever afraid of dying is simply overt exaggeration and false bravado. And no, I have admitted to being wrong many times on these pages. Apparently you waited since Feb. 9 for my response, and now you've got one.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#436 Feb 13, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
My basic premise is there is an inherent fear of death in all people. I find it very hard to swallow that some people, yourself included, profess to have no dread of death whatsoever in your lifetime. Did you somehow make it through childhood, a period rampant with the horrors of an overactive imagination, without the fear that "something" was going to get you during the night? Were you immune to the scary stories that all children are fond of telling? This is what I'm referring to, not particularly your view of death in the present. For someone to unequivocally state that at no point in their life were they ever afraid of dying is simply overt exaggeration and false bravado. And no, I have admitted to being wrong many times on these pages. Apparently you waited since Feb. 9 for my response, and now you've got one.
Personal incredulity is not a valid basis for an argument.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#437 Feb 14, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
My basic premise is there is an inherent fear of death in all people. I find it very hard to swallow that some people, yourself included, profess to have no dread of death whatsoever in your lifetime. Did you somehow make it through childhood, a period rampant with the horrors of an overactive imagination, without the fear that "something" was going to get you during the night? Were you immune to the scary stories that all children are fond of telling? This is what I'm referring to, not particularly your view of death in the present. For someone to unequivocally state that at no point in their life were they ever afraid of dying is simply overt exaggeration and false bravado. And no, I have admitted to being wrong many times on these pages. Apparently you waited since Feb. 9 for my response, and now you've got one.
Actually less than 12 hours ago, I saw your post again stating that you know that we are not being honest. If we do not think as you do, then what we say according to you, can't be true. That pretty much puts you in the dumb as they come camp.
No one has stated that at no point in their lives did they feel a fear of dying. The posters who have responded to you have stated that they do not "now" feel a fear of death. Maybe your problem is reading comprehension.

“Pay it forward!”

Since: Oct 09

Harrisburg

#438 Feb 14, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
My basic premise is there is an inherent fear of death in all people. I find it very hard to swallow that some people, yourself included, profess to have no dread of death whatsoever in your lifetime. Did you somehow make it through childhood, a period rampant with the horrors of an overactive imagination, without the fear that "something" was going to get you during the night? Were you immune to the scary stories that all children are fond of telling? This is what I'm referring to, not particularly your view of death in the present. For someone to unequivocally state that at no point in their life were they ever afraid of dying is simply overt exaggeration and false bravado. And no, I have admitted to being wrong many times on these pages. Apparently you waited since Feb. 9 for my response, and now you've got one.
Fine and all, but your challenge didn't ask for how you felt while growing up, experiencing all those things you mentioned.

You asked how each of us would feel ... the implication is NOW.

<shrug>

You asked, I answered. If that's a problem for you, then don't ask.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#439 Feb 14, 2011
SsixtytwoS wrote:
<quoted text>
Fine and all, but your challenge didn't ask for how you felt while growing up, experiencing all those things you mentioned.
You asked how each of us would feel ... the implication is NOW.
<shrug>
You asked, I answered. If that's a problem for you, then don't ask.
Ditto!
Just Steve

Lakewood, OH

#440 Mar 9, 2011
Are you waiting for me or something? The last post was Feb. 14. Seems kinda odd, doesn't it?

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#441 Mar 9, 2011
No

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#442 Mar 9, 2011
Bluenose wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU, Sir, may be afraid of death. It seems from your words that is abundantly clear. Project as much as you like, it still does not mean, however, that other people share your terror of the unknown. BTW, being dead is not unknown it's just the same as before you were concieved. You've already done that, it didn't hurt at all did it? Let me tell you, I'm not afraid of being dead. I am afraid of some possible ways of dying, however. That is not the same thing at all. For example I am not enamoured of the idea of burning to death. I don't do pain if it can be at all avoided. However, dying in my sleep does not scare me at all. I'm also not in favour of some of the options for staying alive that society sometimes forces on us. I have had several relatives and friends die from things like Alzheimer's disease. The last period before they died was not pleasant for them or for those around them. In their case death was a welcome end to their suffering, unfortunately society would not allow us to assist these people in their hour of need. No one was afraid to actually die there, but some were afraid of continuing to live without their dignity. So once again your simple one dimensional view of death fails the reality test. No surprise there then.
When I die, I want to go like my grandfather did -- in his sleep.

.

.

.

Not screaming in terror like the other passengers in his car!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#443 Mar 20, 2011
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you seen this, from How to Write Good, by Michael O'Donoghue :
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch...
Lesson 2-The Ending
"All too often, the budding author finds that his tale has run its course and yet he sees no way to satisfactorily end it, or, in literary parlance, "wrap it up." Observe how easily I resolve this problem:
"Suddenly, everyone was run over by a truck.-the end-
"If the story happens to be set in England, use the same ending, slightly modified:
"Suddenly, everyone was run over by a lorry.-the end-
"If set in France:
"Soudaincment, tout le monde etait ecrass par un camion.-finis-
"You'll be surprised at how many different settings and situations this ending applies to. For instance, if you were writing a story about ants, it would end "Suddenly, everyone was run over by a centipede." In fact, this is the only ending you ever need use.*
"*Warning - if you are writing a story about trucks, do not have the trucks run over by a truck. Have the trucks run over by a mammoth truck."
==========
Now check this out at http://www.topfive.com/guesses-at-the-last-li... , especially the number one selection.
So.

If it's a story about sea-life, can you use "And suddenly, everyone is run over by a ship"?
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#444 Nov 15, 2012
gettagrip wrote:
I did respond to that. I said it says to me that water was created and we were created when there wasnt much around. It really doesnt matter what order we were created in, but even you say created, not "oozed up" or appeared out of a vapor....after all, sosmeone had to create the vapor, and the water,and all the particles needed for science to have science even exist.
<quoted text>
There was not the slightest idea of a god at all. So there is of course no creator or anything like this has ever existed.

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