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#21
Dec 2, 2010
 
MaceyMace wrote:
I am an atheist and just wondered... since we don't know what lies beyond the grave, what are your beliefs? Is it just the end? Are we reincarnated? Do you think there is a "heaven" albeit not Godly?
I don't have any answers because we will never know until we are dead, but I just wondered what other atheists believed?
I believe that when your body stops fuctioning, you are dead. No nerves left to feel, no sight or hearing. Death is something I do not sweat. We all die, and we should try to leave a beautiful memory of our selves when we lived.

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Dec 2, 2010
 
I think because we are living, the need to feel that our loved ones are somewhere waiting for us helps some people to grieve but when you stop and think about it, it's just bit ridiculous...? Like, where do all the dead, flies, roaches, lizards, bees, worms etc go? Any kind of heaven would have to be so vast to fit in everything that EVER lived... AND, would cavemen, sabre-toothed tigers and wooly mammoths be there too? And dinosaurs? lol.

it is quite tragic that the kids don't really get to have any life or any fun because of what the Watchtower tells them. The girls in particular is CERTAIN Armageddon is just around the corner...?

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#23
Dec 2, 2010
 
That's child abuse, IMO. Having these kids live in fear from day to day, thinking they're going to die any minute. I once threatened some JWs who came to my door with reporting them to DCFS. It was about -15 out & they had young kids with them. The girl was wearing a dress with short socks on. She had a coat on, but nothing to protect her legs, head or hands.

I like your question about where do all the critters go? The Rainbow Bridge is a cute story to tell kids when the family pet dies. But I know of a lot of adults who actually believe it. What would we ever do if we encountered a woolly mammoth who'd been dead for, I don't know, 14 million years or so?

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#24
Dec 2, 2010
 
they aren't frightened though. they think that Jehovah will resurrect them following some period of time and then they can walk the earth in peace without any wickedness and without satan ruling the earth, there will be friendly tigers apparently lol!?!?!

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Dec 2, 2010
 
MaceyMace wrote:
they aren't frightened though. they think that Jehovah will resurrect them following some period of time and then they can walk the earth in peace without any wickedness and without satan ruling the earth, there will be friendly tigers apparently lol!?!?!
I guess I can breathe a sigh of relief knowing that they believe in such a fairy tale, however misguided it is. At least they're not afraid. But what if they do something wrong? Isn't their Jehovah supposed to be rather severe? I don't really know anything about the JWs.

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Dec 3, 2010
 
I think the biggest fear for them is that if they do something against the religion or decide not to be a JW anymore, they are shunned by the other JW's. Now bearing in mind that they are not permitted to mix with or socialise with Non-JW's, that means everyone they now stops having anything to do with them (there seems to be an exception in our case as they have a non-JW parent)

When I first started researching it, I found a girl I went to school with on facebook who I remember being a JW when we were at school and started asking her what to expect with the kids and how their life is. It turned out, she left when she was 17 and none of her previous friends or family have anything to do with her anymore. It's evil!

They are not frightened of death but they seem to be frightened of everything else. I really feel for them and I cannot understand why a mother would want that life for her children. The girl is now 18 and planning to marry someone she barely knows. Tragic!

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#27
Dec 3, 2010
 
correction* everyone they KNOW

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Dec 3, 2010
 
I grew up catholic. My father used to encourage us to read the bible not the catholic prayers etc. i asked my dad why he sends us to church but he doesnt go. i foudn out that my dad used to be an alter boy, and before mass him, all the other alter boys and teh priest, would drink the sherry or wine and actually be quite intoxicated during mass. then he also told me that he doesnt believe that we should pray to Mary as the bible forbids praying to saints-only GOd should be prayed to. he also told me he believed that we shouldnt bow down to the statue of "jesus" and pray to it cos the bible forbids praying to things made of human hands. so my dad has his issues. i wondered why he sent us to mass though. i hated it. i would battle to stay awake. Father Danker had a boring monotonous voice, and I one day i saw him driving out of the church with a cigarette in his mouth. i saw the same thing with Fahter Carey from another church. i was disappointed., ONe sunday on our way to mass, my cousin and I decided to skip mass and go and play video games at the store. We made up a story to tell my father but when the time came, my cousin bailed on me, told my father that we didnt go to mass and i was in trouble. my father asked me why i didnt go to mass. I told him that i dont like mass, that Fahter Danker was boring. Surprisingly my father let me off the hook and told me that i dont have to go to church if i didnt want to anymore. but i saw the disappointment on his face. I guess he knew to know God was good , but the catholic church was full of contradiction.
SO for years (11-18) i didnt go near the church except for funerals and weddings.

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Dec 3, 2010
 
But im still a christian. i found a church i could identify with. that believed the bible and taught it. But i found after 7 years that people, not God, is flawed. I found that i was flawed. like Paul says, the good i want to do, I dont do, and the thing I hate to do, I do (loose translation). In some of my own beliefs I became a hypocrite and I didnt like it. I had to keep up appearances cos I didnt want anyone to be disappointed with me . I was a hypocrite because I couldnt aspire to the beliefs that i had. The bible teaches love your neighbour, but i was having so much problems iwth people in the church (just personality/character clashes) that i was having a problem loving. I became angry and bitter at some people. I was wrong to harbour those emotions, but i felt them and because the bible set the standard for my behaviour, i felt like i was not a good christian. ANd it was other things to: the bible was like a mirror and when i held myself up against it, i saw that who i am is not lining up with what was expected. but at the same time i was mature enough to allow my self to feel the anger,the hurt and the betrayal i suffered. and after al while, my emotions healed. i have since left my church. at the moment i dont go. its a catch 22, cos while i know that i cannot exist there anymore, i miss the teaching, i miss the fellowship. but on a personal level what i learned in the church was a huge lesson aobut myself. i have becaome less hard on Janine. I have come to understand people more, i judge less, i listen more...and as for GOd, i know God in a way that I never knew him. As we were taught in religious studies in school and in cathetichism and sunday school that God is angry with me and he will punish me for being bad. But being in the church, going through everythign i went through has taught me the infinite love of GOd for me. THat he has so much grace and mercy towards me. THAT HE WANTs to love me and for me to love HIm, not to punish me, not to cause me the shame that i went through. I learned that i am not what people have accused me of being all my life out of church and in the church, i learned to know who i am so that nobody can ever again tell me who I am. I learned that He does not remember my sin but people do. He looks at my heart, but people looks at my outer appearance (what i wear, how i speak, where i live, what work i do, what car i drive ) to determine who they think I am.
I believe in God...and I would not have known what i know today had i not been in the church. Like the story of Joseph and his 11 brothers, its those closest to you that have the advantage of your trust who can totally destroy you, but like Joseph, i can see them today and feel no harm. God taught me to love those who dont love me. and i am still learning.
I personally believe you dont need to be christian for God to speak to you. God called Abram from moon worshipping people, God used Joseph in Egypt, Daniel in Babylon, I dont care, God made us all,and he can speak to anyone he wants to.\
I hate religion as well. But the difference between me and the atheists is that I separate God from religion cos it was never GOds purpose when he sent Jesus, to start a new religion called Christianity.
John 1 says: and to as many of them that receieved HIm, to them He gave the power to become the Sons of God."
This was the purpose of GOd.
Religion sucks, and keeps people in bondage and in fear of living their lives to the full potential. That is why religious people constantly get caught with their pants down because they hide and hide and hide behind church and religion, instead of going to God, being transparent with God. I know exactly what i am talking about in ways i cannot explain on this forum. As I said the ideals of the bible, are difficult to aspire to, and most Christians are well meaning people, who want to live up to its ideals. That is why I need God to help me do right in my daily life.

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Dec 3, 2010
 
I believe in God the creator of heaven and earth and everyhtin in it, i believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of GOd, that he lived and died and rose again, I believe that He is coming back to judge the living and the dead.
While he tarries, i choose not to judge. I want to love people-its the hardest thing to do

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#31
Dec 3, 2010
 
Janine for Truth wrote:
... I want to love people-its the hardest thing to do
Not really. But first I'd suggest you throw off the idea that we are all born as sinners. This guilt-based mentality is religion's most powerful control point.

Instead, start thinking of people as being born blank slates with the unlimited potential to accomplish good things.

Stop worrying about living the right way based on some particular religion's interpretation and start creating the best day you can each day.

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Dec 3, 2010
 
Hedonist wrote:
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Not really. But first I'd suggest you throw off the idea that we are all born as sinners. This guilt-based mentality is religion's most powerful control point.
Instead, start thinking of people as being born blank slates with the unlimited potential to accomplish good things.
Stop worrying about living the right way based on some particular religion's interpretation and start creating the best day you can each day.
I hear you, but I find it to be the hardest thing. And its someting I really want to achieve in my life. I already have come quite a ways. And yes you are right about being guilty.Its a useless emotion. I was guilty for most of my life-very sin conscious, but now Im God conscoius. I want to live the right way according to what I believe is right, and I believe in the moral code for society based on the bible. THats the ideal that i want to aspire to. Im not up any longer for being controlled by anyone.

i had to rethink, relearn and reprogram myself into the way I believe God sees me-the real GOd that I have recently found...not the one taught to me by religion... But most importantly I had to see myself as this...as more than a conquerer, as something that can achieve anything I put my mind to, that i am not a loser, that i am not what people have said i am.

i believe in my potential and the potential of others.Im no longer afraid to question things as we were taught never to question God...it was a great sin. When I pray, I am honest with how I feel...God knows it anyway, no need hiding it.

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Dec 3, 2010
 
How do you know God knows it?

This is the thing i can never seem to get clarification from with religious people. Has he rang you? Wrote to you? Emailed you/ Does he pop round for counselling sessions? Or have you just heard voices in your head of yourself talking to yourself?

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Dec 3, 2010
 
MaceyMace wrote:
How do you know God knows it?
This is the thing i can never seem to get clarification from with religious people. Has he rang you? Wrote to you? Emailed you/ Does he pop round for counselling sessions? Or have you just heard voices in your head of yourself talking to yourself?
Well im not afraid to say that i believe that God is a supreme, all knowing, all seeing, all powerful being. I believe I cannot hide anything from him. Yes I was taught that in the bible, and in sunday school...i dont regret it. No he hasnt emailed me or rung me. Its called faith. I just know he hears me when I pray even when I cant utter a word, or even when I am thinking.I have had experiences enough to make me believe that. I am not a religious person. I believe in God, but you can call it how you see it.

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#35
Dec 3, 2010
 
Each to their own... I am just wondering why you are on an Atheist forum though?

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Dec 3, 2010
 
MaceyMace wrote:
Each to their own... I am just wondering why you are on an Atheist forum though?
i guess for a lot of the reasons Atheists go on Christian Forums. But mainly because I like to know what goes through the mind of Atheists.
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Dec 3, 2010
 

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Not really. But first I'd suggest you throw off the idea that we are all born as sinners. This guilt-based mentality is religion's most powerful control point.
Instead, start thinking of people as being born blank slates with the unlimited potential to accomplish good things.
Stop worrying about living the right way based on some particular religion's interpretation and start creating the best day you can each day.
I couldn't agree more, with all of the above. I think Robert Ingersoll said it best: "The time to be happy is now. The place to be happy is here. The way to be happy is to make others so."

To me, that means we can't be happy if we're constantly worrying about what kind of "sins" we're supposedly committing by making choices that are best for US. IMO the whole "sin scare" that religionist institutions use to control people is oppressive, abusive, and just plain STUPID. Or to put it simply:

S.I.N.= Self-Inflicted NONSENSE

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#38
Dec 3, 2010
 
Janine for Truth wrote:
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i guess for a lot of the reasons Atheists go on Christian Forums. But mainly because I like to know what goes through the mind of Atheists.
But all you have done is state what YOU believe. You haven't really commented on what goes through anyone else's mind?
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Dec 3, 2010
 
Janine for Truth wrote:
I believe in God the creator of heaven and earth and everyhtin in it, i believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of GOd, that he lived and died and rose again, I believe that He is coming back to judge the living and the dead.
While he tarries, i choose not to judge. I want to love people-its the hardest thing to do
I think Bigfoot could exist.He's not invisible or silent.
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Dec 3, 2010
 
Janine for Truth wrote:
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i guess for a lot of the reasons Atheists go on Christian Forums. But mainly because I like to know what goes through the mind of Atheists.
Rational thinking.

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