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Nov 29, 2010
 
I am an atheist and just wondered... since we don't know what lies beyond the grave, what are your beliefs? Is it just the end? Are we reincarnated? Do you think there is a "heaven" albeit not Godly?

I don't have any answers because we will never know until we are dead, but I just wondered what other atheists believed?

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Nov 29, 2010
 
MaceyMace wrote:
I am an atheist and just wondered... since we don't know what lies beyond the grave, what are your beliefs? Is it just the end? Are we reincarnated? Do you think there is a "heaven" albeit not Godly?
I don't have any answers because we will never know until we are dead, but I just wondered what other atheists believed?
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We have all been dead. Thats where you were for those millions of years before you were born. Life begins at birth.

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Nov 30, 2010
 
MaceyMace wrote:
I am an atheist
OK, if you say so. I do reserve the right, to not believe that statement.

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Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>OK, if you say so. I do reserve the right, to not believe that statement.
Believe what you want lol I couldn't give a shit.

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MaceyMace wrote:
I am an atheist
Really? I doubt it...
and just wondered... since we don't know what lies beyond the grave, what are your beliefs? Is it just the end? Are we reincarnated? Do you think there is a "heaven" albeit not Godly?
I don't have any answers because we will never know until we are dead, but I just wondered what other atheists believed?
We won't know anything once we are dead, because when you are dead, you are dead. That's all there is, there ain't no more. Being dead will feel just like it did before you were born. You only get one shot at life, so make the best of it. My advice to you, since I sincerely doubt your claim to atheism, is to stop wasting your time on religious matters and instead get on with living a good life. Love your family, enjoy being with your friends, do goog things to strangers, play with a puppy or a kitten - hell, just go fly a kite. It doesn't matter what you like to do, go do it. If you can help someone else along the way, then do so - it has its own rewards in the here and now, if nothing else it makes you feel good inside.

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Lol, what's with all the doubts about my non belief in God?

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Dec 1, 2010
 
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Lol, what's with all the doubts about my non belief in God?
The question you are asking is a theistic question, not an atheistic one. And you are still capitalizing the word "god" as if it has some particular significance.

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To be honest, I was brought up (very loosely) christian so some things are just so deeply ingrained in our minds from a very young age that it's difficult to shake off. For instance, when something's going wrong, I will say "Please god no!". I am not sure why I do this cause I don't believe in god (or God)? It's just something I've always heard and always been around, like my accent, you don't change your accent overnight when you move cities.

My question may be theistic, but I don't really know any other people who don't believe in god or gods or spirits or the afterlife so I wasn't sure if other atheists have any thought about if when we die... that's it? Or whether they just think like me... we don't know... maybe that makes me agnostic?

Ooh it's a tricky old subject!

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Dec 1, 2010
 
MaceyMace wrote:
To be honest, I was brought up (very loosely) christian so some things are just so deeply ingrained in our minds from a very young age that it's difficult to shake off. For instance, when something's going wrong, I will say "Please god no!". I am not sure why I do this cause I don't believe in god (or God)? It's just something I've always heard and always been around, like my accent, you don't change your accent overnight when you move cities.
My question may be theistic, but I don't really know any other people who don't believe in god or gods or spirits or the afterlife so I wasn't sure if other atheists have any thought about if when we die... that's it? Or whether they just think like me... we don't know... maybe that makes me agnostic?
Ooh it's a tricky old subject!
We're all agnostic in that none of us really "know."

Theism/atheism is a question of "belief." Either you believe in god(s) or you don't. Simple as that.

For most atheists I have ever known, the foundation of their position is objective evidence. That is atheists don't claim god is disproved, just that god is unproved.

Same goes for "afterlife" and all this other supernatural mumbo-jumbo. Where's the evidence?

It is enough to live the best life you can day to day as a positive member of your society. None of my dreams or wishes about the future have any real meaning, so just let it go and focus on creating your day each and every day that you have.

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The question you are asking is a theistic question, not an atheistic one. And you are still capitalizing the word "god" as if it has some particular significance.
IMO, I think you're coming down a little heavy. Whether or not one capitalizes the word "god" doesn't really matter. It could just be force of habit. We shouldn't push our personal preferences onto another. Isn't that what we try to get theists to do? Remember- rule #1 of atheism: There are no rules.

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MaceyMace wrote:
To be honest, I was brought up (very loosely) christian so some things are just so deeply ingrained in our minds from a very young age that it's difficult to shake off. For instance, when something's going wrong, I will say "Please god no!". I am not sure why I do this cause I don't believe in god (or God)? It's just something I've always heard and always been around, like my accent, you don't change your accent overnight when you move cities.
My question may be theistic, but I don't really know any other people who don't believe in god or gods or spirits or the afterlife so I wasn't sure if other atheists have any thought about if when we die... that's it? Or whether they just think like me... we don't know... maybe that makes me agnostic?
Ooh it's a tricky old subject!
I think you're in the midst of developing your own personal set of beliefs. And there's nothing wrong with that. It took some of us many years to adopt the beliefs (or non-) we hold today. It's not a journey you should undertake lightly. It does affect a lot of factors in your life. I was happy when I found this forum, because I had very few people in my life that I could discuss my feelings & beliefs with. It's been an education, I'll tell you that!

And, like you, I catch myself using god's name when I get surprised or mad about something. It's been a habit for way too many years. Just this morning, my kitten got into some dish soap. Made an awful mess. I started cussing at her- Jesus f-in' christ what the hell's the matter with you? To me, it's only a figure of speech & a habit.

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Dec 1, 2010
 
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Believe what you want lol I couldn't give a shit.
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Dec 1, 2010
 
Who knows what happens after death. Also kinda depends on how you define personally experiencing death. Rather than focusing on the unknowable, its better to focus on what can be know.

What will happen after your individual death? It would be fair to assume that the rest of the universe will continue to keep going. while it may cease to exist from your perspective, from the universes perspective it is still going. Not only is it still going, but your influence on it from your life is still going. The atoms that you set in motion and moved, The people that you influenced and the ideas that you spread, they are still going. Part of a much grander complex.

Much like how a cell is but a smaller part of a larger organism, you are a part of a larger complex called society. Even though an individual cell may die, its influence towards the grander complex keeps going. The cells role and purpose never end.

Rather than looking at yourself as an individual separate from other beings, consider yourself a part of an immortal entity. After all, your sentience and awareness could be no different than anyone else. You may have different memories and perceptions that determine how you behave an interact, but your actual sentience may be no different than others.

Your influence will continue to have an affect even long after no one is able to associate your name with its origin. You yourself are carrying out actions influenced by the actions of others long dead and forgotten. The inspiration you got from looking at a tree might have been the result of some planting it there years ago, who only planted it there to replace the previous tree that had been planted. your inspiration may later inspire others long after your dead.

Further more, the components that you are made up of, mass/energy, are immoral as far as we know. They many change states but mass an energy can neither be created or destroyed. many of the components that make up your physical structure are always swapping around too, some atoms leave and others come in to replace them. The atoms that once all came together to form you may some day all come together again. or they may never come together again. If they did, would it still be you?

Since you still consider yourself to be you over time even when your memories change, experiences become forgotten while new ones are gained, It could be that what you define as yourself is actually just a state in which atoms are producing thoughts. It doesn't matter which thoughts or which atoms so long as there are complex thoughts. In which case you could be dead each time you are asleep and not dreaming.(hence how various definitions/perspectives of death can change the answer to your question)

This is of course all opinion.

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<quoted text>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
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I think you're in the midst of developing your own personal set of beliefs. And there's nothing wrong with that. It took some of us many years to adopt the beliefs (or non-) we hold today. It's not a journey you should undertake lightly. It does affect a lot of factors in your life. I was happy when I found this forum, because I had very few people in my life that I could discuss my feelings & beliefs with. It's been an education, I'll tell you that!
And, like you, I catch myself using god's name when I get surprised or mad about something. It's been a habit for way too many years. Just this morning, my kitten got into some dish soap. Made an awful mess. I started cussing at her- Jesus f-in' christ what the hell's the matter with you? To me, it's only a figure of speech & a habit.
Even as a little kid I remember being made to pray at school and never fully getting involved thinking, the god wasn't real.

I think the capitalising thing came from the fact that I go on the Jehovah's Witness forum on here a lot (long story) and I guess I got into the habit of doing it from there.

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Dec 2, 2010
 
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Even as a little kid I remember being made to pray at school and never fully getting involved thinking, the god wasn't real.
I think the capitalising thing came from the fact that I go on the Jehovah's Witness forum on here a lot (long story) and I guess I got into the habit of doing it from there.
Growing up going to catholic school, the thing I hated the most was having to get on my knees & pray to a statue. Even as a kid, I wondered about the hypocrisy of worshiping a false idol. Wasn't that breaking a commandment? Of course, I didn't know the word "hypocrisy", but I'm sure you get my drift. So, even at an early age, I could see the fools for what they were & still are.

Don't sweat the capitalization thing. I thought it was wrong to berate you for doing that. Some people don't capitalize Jesus, but since it's a proper noun, it should be. That's just rules of grammar.

You seem like a logical sort. I hope to hear more from you.

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Dec 2, 2010
 
MaceyMace- please tell the long story of the JW thing.

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Dec 2, 2010
 
The story that brings me to Topix is this...

I am getting married soon and my fiance has two kids from a previous marriage. His first wife left him because her Mum made her choose to either stay with her husband, the father of her kids or to become a Jehovah's witness. If she didn't become a witness then she would never hear from her Mum again.
She chose her Mum and left him. The kids have been brought up (completely brainwashed) as JW's.

As I said, I was a Christian in the loosest sense of the word as a kid. I went to a church school etc but as I got older, i never gave religion a second thought. Now my fiance's kids are going to be a part of my life and so i felt I needed to find out about their religion, and what makes them tick, particularly since one of them was living with us for a while over the summer. They have so many odd rules, for example they don't clink glasses, wear camouflage, have Smurfs (look it up, it's hilarious), say Good Luck, celebrate birthdays etc.

The more I found out about the JW's, the more ridiculous it seemed so I found a few websites and started asking questions and this site was one of them. BUT it also sparked off something in me which made me question what exactly I believed in. I have always believed in evolution, never even questioned it and tbh, I was quite shocked that people REALLY believe in God the Creator and Adam & Eve etc.

Another thing was that I was ashamed to say I didn't have much knowledge to back up my own beliefs, so I bought a few books (Dawkins, Darwin, Hitchens) and started to build up some knowledge.

TBH I don't suppose it matters either way whether I am an atheist or a christian or muslim as long as i am happy and content, then I think that I couldn't really ask for any more. Death is the only thing that has left me with questions.

Reading through these posts, the idea of the pre-conception state being the same as death seems the most plausible one I have heard. You just hear so many stories about ghosts, spirits etc that I suppose I will always wonder about it.

I used to believe in psychic mediums, spiritualists etc but thanks to Derren Brown's book I eventually saw through that.. If you haven't read it, get it, it's called "Tricks of the Mind". People like John Edward, Sally Morgan and Colin Fry are just awful and should be so ashamed of themselves for exploiting vulnerable people.

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Macey- thanks for telling your story. I feel bad for those kids, living with such oppressive rules. And for what purpose? You're showing your innate intelligence & compassion by wanting to learn about the environment the kids are being raised in. It can only benefit them in the long run. And for a mother to make her child choose her over the daughter's own husband is reprehensible. I'm sure there are some folks here who truly believe it's for the daughter & grandkids salvation. Balderdash.

I used to play around with theories about psychics. A bigger bunch of charlatans I have never seen. They prey upon people's grief over the deaths of their loved ones.

My theory about death- you stop. That's all. I don't fear death, mainly because there's not going to be anything to be afraid of. Sure, I won't look forward to not living, but once I'm dead I won't have any awareness to miss anyone or anything.

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